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CCN
12-26-2009, 07:22 AM
The All World 1st Annual Ball Invitational

http://www.xtremesled.com/newtemplate/catalog/images/balls%20of%20steel%20hood%20sized%20copy.jpg
There Can Be Only One

http://challonge.com/images/brackets/ball.png





Game type: Ball
Game Size: 6v6
Format: Random seed, Bo3, finals Bo5. First to 6 goals, 10 minute timer.
Servers: Captains Server
Date: 7th Feburary starting 6pm GMT
Map Pool: Snow, Mayhem, Mayhem2, Maze, Darkwar, Core, and Cave.
Administration: Class, CCN



Teams:
http://imgur.com/hvx13.jpg
Teams:
Corporate Slaughter Squadron
{ICE}
|
Ball
IL
KLF
Du Ut Des (##)
JC
Faggy Little Bears
ACE
[II]
Screaming Eagles {$E}
[L*]
DW
{BL}




Match Times (GMT)
Round 1
Time:_______ Match:________________ Server:
18:00_______Bongs, KLF__________PL1
18:00_______FLB, IL______________PL2
18:00______ L,## ________Caps/Maims
18:40______ACE, BL_____________ PL1
18:40______DW, JC_____________ PL2
18:40______ICE,SE________ Caps/Maims

Quater Finals

19:20_______Quarter Final 1 (ball vs)_ PL1
19:20_______Quarter Final 2 ________ PL2
19:20_____Quarter Final 3 (II vs)_ PL3/Caps
20:00_______Quarter Final 4 ________ PL1

Semi Finals
20:00_______Semi Final 1 ___________PL2
20:40_______Semi Final 2____________PL1
22:30_______Bronze Place Match_____PL2

Finals
21:40______Finals (BO5)____________PL1


Finals Before 3rd/4th Place.

Round 1:
Cave, Mayhem, Snow
Round 2:
Core, Mayhem2, Maze
Semi's:
Darkwar, Cave, Maze
Finals and 3rd Place Match (Bo5):
Cave, Snow, Maze, Mayhem2, Darkwar




Note: I have had several requests for players who want to band together to play this tournament, thus if you are interested in joining the pick up team (PUT) please send me a PM. We are a few short still.

DMCM
12-26-2009, 04:44 PM
Flight said we'd sign up for this, so I'll save him the work:


Team Name: Iron Legends

Captain: Flight 666

Roster: Flight 666, Number 3, Demonpuppet, Sturmovik, Black, DMCM, Bukem, Wolf j, Gold, Jesuslives, Mastercoop, Pieface, Strato, Spiritus, Sicksone

Stormich
12-26-2009, 04:50 PM
I consider 5v5 to be a cluster**** in ball, 6v6 is gonna be even worse lol

evilarsenal
12-26-2009, 05:49 PM
this might conflict with the duel tournament >.>

and ur allowed 14 members?

CCN
12-26-2009, 05:52 PM
this might conflict with the duel tournament >.>

and ur allowed 14 members?

I don't see a date on the duel tournament yet, possibly could you change the potential date to another week?

Yes, you are. In the sense that looking through rosters clans are >12 and if they want to switch in people they are free to do so.
They can no switch in a match but before and after.

evilarsenal
12-26-2009, 05:53 PM
its the whole month the duel

possibly saturday/sundays for every weekend in january

after that is APL, so i cant switch the dates

CCN
12-26-2009, 05:55 PM
Ah then there is little room for me to move the tourney to then. I read in the thread you're setting up separate servers so we should be good on servers.

Flight 666
12-26-2009, 05:58 PM
DMCM,
put "Sicksone" on roster please, thx.

evilarsenal
12-26-2009, 06:00 PM
Ah then there is little room for me to move the tourney to then. I read in the thread you're setting up separate servers so we should be good on servers.

what servers are you using

Kuja900
12-26-2009, 06:05 PM
Why is this 6v6? The standard format is 5v5, the ball guide is even written around 5v5.

CCN
12-26-2009, 06:08 PM
changed to 5v5, so evil I assume you're telling me your using the proleagues for January.
Ok, i'll try and talk to Lobstars and Maimer about using their servers

tyr
12-26-2009, 06:08 PM
its the whole month the duel

possibly saturday/sundays for every weekend in january

after that is APL, so i cant switch the dates

APL starts in march.

evilarsenal
12-26-2009, 06:10 PM
yup preseason is in february

nesnl
12-26-2009, 06:29 PM
Honestly, 5v5 ball isn't that great right now. It is too heavily favored towards abusing the Miranda self pass. 5v5 is a good format for TBD and I think that's why a lot of people who don't really play ball all that much think that 5v5 is good for ball too. If I were you I would change the format to at least 6v6 and ideally 7v7. Otherwise, you are just gonna end up with Miranda fail and a lot of players who will lose interest in doing this type of competitive ball.

CCN
12-26-2009, 06:32 PM
I agree with 6v6 being better, esp. as it is much better at lowering miranda self pass abuse.
However, gotta try to know. If it seems like more players are better try 6v6 next time.

andy
12-26-2009, 06:41 PM
Team Name: Bong's Bitches (Team Line)
Tag: |

|Captains: Bong, Andy
|Players: lambchopz, Wastelandofthemind, A Nipple, Nathor, Bootstraps, Divra, Sky Rockets, Hartz, Duck, Proggies, Zero, AlterMX

Preferred Time Zone: GMT + 1
Preferred play: 5 v 5

nesnl
12-26-2009, 06:42 PM
The problem is really the size of the maps. Most ball maps are much bigger than a normal TBD map so that it can tolerate a larger amount of people (like the 10v10 servers). So when you end up playing 5v5, there is just too much open space and it changes the game of ball too much. I did create some smaller maps, like core, woods, but those maps are less than ideal. Well if you decide to go 5v5 then just know you have been warned!

tgleaf
12-27-2009, 01:34 AM
Sign us up. {ball} will be there. I don't have a finalized roster yet, but we'd prefer 4:00am-6:00am GMT.

And thanks for misquoting the guide. 6v6 is highly preferable to 5v5 for ball.

Ball matches should be 6v6 or 7v7 if possible, otherwise 5v5.

Neither size is a cluster****... I find that an odd statement.

Anyhow, I'm really not trying to start more arguments. I just keep seeing players without a whole lot of experience at ball mouthing off about it. I know it's the bastard step-child to tbd, but come on.

We're looking forward to the tournament. Thank you for setting it up!

evilarsenal
12-28-2009, 04:54 PM
CCN and i have agreed to move this tournament to the First Weekend in february!

DiogenesDog
12-28-2009, 06:50 PM
I think most of the L*s are on vacation, but I'll bet we'll be in when they get back!

if not, I'd like to try to jump on someone's team if they'll have me.

Mr.OneTwo
12-28-2009, 10:58 PM
We are going to play, first I need to make sure Tomato is ok with this.
Our subscription is ok at 90%.
BeelzeBoss

wolf'j'max
12-28-2009, 11:00 PM
I think most of the L*s are on vacation, but I'll bet we'll be in when they get back!

if not, I'd like to try to jump on someone's team if they'll have me.

Why not going with IL| :D :D

{ICE}vega
12-29-2009, 07:18 PM
{ICE} is in... 6v6 is what we need to go with!!

classicallad
12-29-2009, 07:28 PM
Kings Live Forever
Captain: Me, who else?
Roster:Step,mled,Aking,sniper2.0,Geims,Arthur dent,Luke,Zen,Qishui,FietZzz,santana07,Wolf'j'max, CCN

Kuja900
12-29-2009, 09:46 PM
It says registration ends on the 1st of February yet the first date in the tourney is the 17th of January?

CCN
12-30-2009, 02:23 AM
It says registration ends on the 1st of February yet the first date in the tourney is the 17th of January?

apologies, should be fixed now. I'll be going round to tall teams to confirm e veryone knows whats going on, bit of a date problem.

Kuja900
12-30-2009, 07:46 AM
Can we get some word on the map pool? I trust were not dealing with any maps like Maze and Snow here right?

-1000th post

CCN
12-30-2009, 07:50 AM
Can we get some word on the map pool? I trust were not dealing with any maps like Maze and Snow here right?

-1000th post

I'm actively testing the current maps.
I think Maze actually works on a 6v6 level, snow does not.

Ajuk999
12-30-2009, 07:08 PM
CCN Sign CSS UP! WE are serious about playing this!

Ajuk999
12-30-2009, 10:16 PM
Corporate Slaughter Squadron
Captian: Ajuk999
Roster:

Ajuk999,
the mm assassin,
RyGuy,
Master Moxy,
Zeppelin
Seksi
Radium
My Cat
Joey56

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2918/cssbanner.png (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/cssbanner.png/)

drunkguava
12-30-2009, 10:17 PM
Snow doesn't work? Damn, I love that map. Maze is kind of excessively randa-friendly isn't it? What about mayhem, cave, cross, darkwar (one of my favorites)? Can we have a poll to help you decide?
I despise woods and football so I hope we don't have those, but I don't mind any of the others.

Mr.OneTwo
12-30-2009, 10:40 PM
We'll partecipate.
## Roster list.
Should I post it?
Or U can use the one in clan section?

wolf'j'max
12-30-2009, 11:25 PM
Please put darkwar in. Its probs the best ball map.

Harmonica
12-30-2009, 11:28 PM
Snow doesn't work? Damn, I love that map.

I also like Snow, and in my experience it works quite well when you've got two teams which are good at Ball -- some of the most fun I've had has been on Snow with a small pool of talented Ball players.

Outside of those conditions, though -- i.e., with a large mob, or with lots of new players, or with players who are trying to use a TBD style of gameplay -- it does tend to slog down, at least in my opinion. Given that most teams will probably be playing TBD in everything but name, I suspect a map like Snow wouldn't result in much fun for most of the players.

I despise woods and football so I hope we don't have those, but I don't mind any of the others.

Seconded! Maps with wide, expansive spaces like Woods and Football -- and, to a lesser extent, Lost City, Mayhem1, and Core -- can sometimes be fun, especially with the right people, but for competitive Ball games there's not much Ball-ish about them. Ball maps have no need for a zone-defense ground and bomb-drop-friendly sky. =P

Personally, I'd vote for Mayhem2, Maze, and maybe Cross, but that's just me. =)

To be honest, looking over the list of official Ball maps (http://nimblygames.com/wiki/index.php?title=Official_Maps#BALL_.28Plane_Ball.2 9_Maps) is rather depressing -- all of the worst maps are on there, and few of the best maps are. I suppose that's a topic for a different thread, though. :-/

Ajuk999
12-30-2009, 11:29 PM
THE question I am asking right now is "WHY THE HELL IS MY TEAM NOT SIGNED UP?!?!?!"

Mr.OneTwo
12-31-2009, 09:59 AM
THE question I am asking right now is "WHY THE HELL IS MY TEAM NOT SIGNED UP?!?!?!"
Calm down, if u look these posts you can see KLF got signed in before you and they're not yet subscribed. They're not complaining too.
And I'm not complaining. Too.

CCN
12-31-2009, 10:15 AM
Calm down, if u look these posts you can see KLF got signed in before you and they're not yet subscribed. They're not complaining too.
And I'm not complaining. Too.

yep i'll get it on right quick. Have faith!

Mr.OneTwo
12-31-2009, 11:33 AM
yep i'll get it on right quick. Have faith!
Thank you.
And btw I forgot to say CCN and Class are admins of this tournament and they're not signed in yet too, right?
With KLF I mean...

Prune
12-31-2009, 02:40 PM
Team name: JC
Captian: Prune
Roster: Botak, Vogez, ada, General, Oryly, Buzz, Knight, Banana, tupa, Dead, golden, veri

Kuja900
01-03-2010, 01:36 AM
Team: Faggy Little Bears
Tag: fLb
Captain: Kuja900
Roster: Kuja900, Eth, Gameguard, Charlie, BG1, ARAB, King, Ryebone, Stack, Bling, Ingbo, Apathy, Redshift

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3563/user389pic501249258419.jpg

wolf'j'max
01-03-2010, 09:01 PM
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3563/user389pic501249258419.jpg

dude that is faggy....

(btw redshift isn't faggy at all)

Flight 666
01-03-2010, 09:19 PM
dude that is faggy....

(btw redshift isn't faggy at all)

True that.

Flight 666
01-03-2010, 09:21 PM
Remove Wolf j Max of Iron Legends Roster and replace for Nicko.
thx

Mr.OneTwo
01-03-2010, 10:10 PM
TOMaTO GoD Leader
DuffMan Leader
Mr.One-2 Team Organizer
Jazzspaz Ball Team Captain
ODYUS Member
Taesu aka SNOOP DOG Tactician
Cipso Ball Team Member
Unicorn<3 Member
Element Recruiter Captain
DJ HYPE Member
Rick Member
Mandrad Member
Shaadoww Member
Pad Member
Blanco*||PRO*S Member
Stu Member


http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4717/doutdes.jpg

Owning soon.

DO UT DES.
SI VIR ES, IN PUGNA INTRAS.

LOOKING FOR AN EXPLODET

CCN
01-04-2010, 10:06 AM
9 teams signed up! Currently it means someone gets an extra qualifying match (picked randomly).

Random Brackets will be drawn after registration closes

Mr.OneTwo
01-04-2010, 01:30 PM
emptypost.

Mr.OneTwo
01-05-2010, 11:51 AM
The All World 1st Annual Ball Invitational

http://www.xtremesled.com/newtemplate/catalog/images/balls%20of%20steel%20hood%20sized%20copy.jpg
There Can Be Only One


Tournament has been moved to 7th Feburary, this date is has been finalized.




Game type: Ball
Game Size: 6v6
Format: Random seed, Bo1, finals Bo3. First to 6 goals, 10 minute timer.
Servers: Captains Server
Date: 7th Feburary starting 1:30pm GMT
Map Pool: To be announced
Administration: Class, CCN



Teams:
http://imgur.com/hvx13.jpg
Teams:
Corporate Slaughter Squadron
{ICE}
|
Ball
IL
KLF
Du Ut Des (##)
JC
Faggy Little Bears



Note: I have had several requests for players who want to band together to play this tournament, thus if you are interested in joining the pick up team (PUT) please send me a PM before the registration deadline.
it's dO ut des, not dU ut des.

mikesol
01-05-2010, 07:56 PM
Alright we're in

Team: Team Sammich
Tag: (||)
Captain: Manatee and Mike
Roster: Manatee, Mike, Mat, Wuwu, X, Tex, Deni, UFO, Vipr, Mav

tyr
01-05-2010, 09:04 PM
Alright

Team : Air Force ACE
Tag : ACE
Captain : tyr
Players : Tyr, GGQ, Curious, jeppew, ZidaneTribal, Bob, Stormich, Cloud, NfoMonkey, pig_bomb, Loli, Maimer

Ajuk999
01-06-2010, 12:58 AM
CSS looks forward to playing this tourney!

WilliamDodd
01-06-2010, 03:00 AM
i would me and my se ballers to compete in the competion if there is room for us please :D

WilliamDodd
01-06-2010, 03:05 AM
team: Screaming Eagles {$E}
captian: Dodd
roster: Dodd, Ron-e, Matrinswin, vesvivus, and others not know yet

Baller_Boy
01-06-2010, 07:19 AM
I'm a captain of the ball clan BL I'll check with my clan and we may join

Vi*
01-07-2010, 04:56 AM
Team: Lobstars
Tag: [L*]
Captain: Vi
Roster: bgaf, Diogenes'Dog, Esoteric, gumby, Lorpus, moxie, nobodyhome, protest boy, Smushface, Triped, Vi, Xirri
Obligatory images:
http://vihart.com/art/lobstarsexy.pnghttp://vihart.com/art/lobstarsvsflb.png

Stormich
01-07-2010, 07:09 AM
Is that lower image new? I like it :D CLACK CLACK ftw

CCN
01-07-2010, 07:14 AM
Is that lower image new? I like it :D CLACK CLACK ftw

everyone got into the image spirit :O
Time to make a new collage
if a mod knows a way to give me a new post below my first one that would be awesomeeee

Stormich
01-07-2010, 07:47 AM
That's why you reserve posts.

CCN
01-07-2010, 09:42 AM
That's why you reserve posts.
live and learn ^^

Not really that important, just make a super pic!

tyr
01-07-2010, 11:29 AM
Is that lower image new? I like it :D CLACK CLACK ftw

I don't think it's new, I remember seeing it some time ago.

wolf'j'max
01-07-2010, 11:29 PM
Yes vi posted it after someone drawed someyhing for his clan. Maybe its still the pic used for their social group.

tgleaf
01-08-2010, 06:16 PM
So I'm going to swim against the tide here and suggest a few things from my BALL-playing experience. I know nothing about how tournaments are organized, or how much time is available for matches, etc., so correct me where I'm wrong, but...

6v6 is a great size for BALL. I am happy that that change was made. The maps are going to be key, especially in a Best of One (more on that later) match. TBD vets seem to love maps like woods and despise maps like snow. To us hardcore BALL folks, woods is a disaster of a map. Yes, I understand it was used for the summer league TBD finals, and I know it's a well-designed map for that, but it has plenty of problems as a BALL map (some of which are wide open spaces without obstacles, a spawn point below the goal and below mid-map, a cluster**** top area worse than most, etc.). Some BALL vets have chimed in about maps... listen to what they are suggesting. We tend to congregate around darkwar, mayhem (not mayhem2), and snow. Maze tends to work well but can be too randa-friendly (not necessarily a bad thing). Core is strange for ball, but has potential, as does lostcity. Cave is pretty interesting but can get crowded.

So, about the structure: Best of One in a TBD match makes a lot of sense. Matches are slow, build over time, and can take 20 minutes. A BALL match, on the other hand, is fast-paced and several goals can be scored within a minute or two. Teams need a game or two to "size each other up," whereas in TBD this can happen over the course of the long match. Ideally, BALL should be Best of five, or even longer -- but I tend to favor Best of five. Could we at least go with Best of three and Best of five for the finals?

Thanks for considering... I know the date is coming up soon, but I think if we're really going to make this "The All World 1st Annual Ball Invitational," it should be done right.

--tgleaf

tyr
01-08-2010, 06:32 PM
Yeah I agree with that.
Best of one is just ... literally 5 minutes per match.
If you really wish to keep it extremely short, bo3 would be perfect.

As for the maps, Snow is personally my favorite ball map. Followed by maze.
Maps I don't like are mostly mayhem 1 and woods. I never really played on core though.
But yeah, Snow should definitely be in the map pool.

Stormich
01-08-2010, 06:47 PM
I agree with Tgleaf, I'm a fan of darkwar and snow myself :)

mikesol
01-08-2010, 07:02 PM
Also in agreeance here. A best out of 1 could be lost simply because a team member dced for 10 seconds or had to download the map. Some matches might only take a minute or two. I imagine between the best of teams that could scale up to maybe 10 minutes or so but hardly the time of a TBD match.

Similarly, I think woods needs to have less open of areas and a top spawn instead of a bottom.

However, I prefer mayhem2 to mayhem - although that could be because of the 10v10's I've played.

drunkguava
01-08-2010, 07:39 PM
Agreed, tgleaf. 1 game is way too short. bo3 at least (as stated above). I also think cave would work for 6v6. It gets too crowded at 7 or 8.
I suggested this earlier and i think it's still valid. How about a poll?
The best ball maps are darkwar and snow and it would be really sad if we had to suffer through woods instead of either one of those.

Massi
01-09-2010, 10:53 PM
1:30 GMT is 5:30am for me and a few other people so can you put IL in the later games.
Thanks.

tgleaf
01-09-2010, 11:44 PM
1:30 GMT is 5:30am for me and a few other people so can you put IL in the later games.
Thanks.

If there's an option for later matches, we'd prefer that too. It's also 5:30am for me.

Tosconi
01-10-2010, 01:23 AM
DW|'s also in

Team : Death Weeds
Tag : DW
Captain : Killimanjaro
Players : Arshavin, Axil, Eto'o, Killimanjaro, low, Pax, Qzmi4, Scythrop, Start, Stront, Tosconi, Zwanglos

CCN
01-10-2010, 08:00 AM
Hi guys,
Ball matches are quick, and the games are on 10 minute timers. Later matches would be.. 20 - 40 minutes after early matches.

I see that 2pm GMT is too early for a lot of people so how would it be if I pushed it back to 6pm GMT.

Also, map choices are a big concern and on the 12th a preliminary selection will be put up and open to comments (but I think the picks are on the most suitable). Right now the considered map pool is use is: Snow, Mayhem, Mayhem2, Maze, Darkwar, Core, and Cave.
They will be assigned (so theres no veto and choosing when setting up maps). My main problem is getting them on the servers. If anyone has been on contact with tec if you can get those maps on there it would be a great help. I'll send him a PM right soon as well asking for such (and hoping he's willing). If this can't be done then Wood's may go back in rotation.


What I was thinking is having 2 B01's right after each other. The tourney should be way quicker then TBD and it gives everyone a second chance (re-seeding).
I would be more inclined to run two tourneys and give everyone this 2nd shot at glory but if you want a Bo3 instead that will be what it is (and bo5 finals).

so please post if
A) 2 Tourney's, Bo1's (Bo3 finals) (this is my inclination as it changes the tourney into a more march madness anyone can have glory situation)
B) 1 Tourney's, Bo3's (Bo5 finals)

I expect a lot of scrims to happen (as there are many teams out and about), and we have the servers to host this before and after the tourney.

Stormich
01-10-2010, 08:11 AM
I'll talk to tec about the maps

wolf'j'max
01-10-2010, 09:03 AM
I pick option B but for the times better go for 5 PM GMT start.

Mr.OneTwo
01-10-2010, 09:55 AM
I pick the A option.

matattack
01-10-2010, 10:12 AM
even for est guys 1:30 gmt is 8:30am for them.

being pst 5:30am isnt the greatest time for me to play :D
i guess 6pm gmt is ok for me :) (10am on a sunday? meh!)
that being said, option 2 fo sho :)


to get gmt time zone difference:
pst people: +4 and flip AM - PM / PM - AM
est people: +7 and flip AM - PM / PM - AM
:rolleyes:

Mr.OneTwo
01-10-2010, 11:55 AM
We are all from Europe but Element, so GMT is good for us (really GMT+1 is the best).

Massi
01-10-2010, 03:33 PM
Okay I vote to change time then to 6:00 GMT and
VOTE: Option B

tgleaf
01-10-2010, 05:26 PM
Okay I vote to change time then to 6:00 GMT and
VOTE: Option B

Me too. Thanks, CCN.

Mr.OneTwo
01-12-2010, 03:27 PM
Me too. Thanks, CCN.
Yes from 4 to 6 GMT is the best time for us.

Mark
01-13-2010, 07:47 PM
team: Screaming Eagles {$E}
captian: Dodd
roster: Dodd, Ron-e, Matrinswin, vesvivus, and others not know yet

you know that i am on Ballers to. please put my name up there. this will be amazing if it works.

tgleaf
01-13-2010, 08:28 PM
Our starting roster:
---------------------

drunkguava
Don't Follow
LeKai
Nikon
Triky Rik
tgleaf

gunsm0ke
01-14-2010, 10:40 AM
Does anyone need a player? My clan isn't playing.

gunsm0ke
01-14-2010, 10:42 AM
So I'm going to swim against the tide here and suggest a few things from my BALL-playing experience. I know nothing about how tournaments are organized, or how much time is available for matches, etc., so correct me where I'm wrong, but...

6v6 is a great size for BALL. I am happy that that change was made. The maps are going to be key, especially in a Best of One (more on that later) match. TBD vets seem to love maps like woods and despise maps like snow. To us hardcore BALL folks, woods is a disaster of a map. Yes, I understand it was used for the summer league TBD finals, and I know it's a well-designed map for that, but it has plenty of problems as a BALL map (some of which are wide open spaces without obstacles, a spawn point below the goal and below mid-map, a cluster**** top area worse than most, etc.). Some BALL vets have chimed in about maps... listen to what they are suggesting. We tend to congregate around darkwar, mayhem (not mayhem2), and snow. Maze tends to work well but can be too randa-friendly (not necessarily a bad thing). Core is strange for ball, but has potential, as does lostcity. Cave is pretty interesting but can get crowded.

So, about the structure: Best of One in a TBD match makes a lot of sense. Matches are slow, build over time, and can take 20 minutes. A BALL match, on the other hand, is fast-paced and several goals can be scored within a minute or two. Teams need a game or two to "size each other up," whereas in TBD this can happen over the course of the long match. Ideally, BALL should be Best of five, or even longer -- but I tend to favor Best of five. Could we at least go with Best of three and Best of five for the finals?

Thanks for considering... I know the date is coming up soon, but I think if we're really going to make this "The All World 1st Annual Ball Invitational," it should be done right.

--tgleaf

Best of 5 is ideal.

Tosconi
01-15-2010, 11:57 PM
eeeh...I've noticed that you changed the first message and added the other clans, which registered later. But somehow I fail to see DW in the list? Is it just you didn't notice my post? or you want to see killimanjaro registering our team for the tournament? If so - you really shouldn't worry about this - we all lead our clan together (since we're good mates) and have discussed and agreed about our participation in the tournament. So please Class, CCN - plz sign us in.

tmic225
01-18-2010, 06:39 PM
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{BL}Toren
{BL}Spike 2.0
{BL}blln
{BL}gunsm0ke
{BL}Spark
{BL}CCCP
{BL}A>Fast}Mustang
{BL}Ha c. Cha
{BL}paNji
{BL}Dekaiden
{BL}iKiLLz
{BL}baki

wolf'j'max
01-18-2010, 07:21 PM
good to have you guys in :))) this can make it even better.

CCN
01-22-2010, 10:04 AM
good to have you guys in :))) this can make it even better.

Brackets going up by Sunday people!

classicallad
01-22-2010, 04:16 PM
i would just like to say i have had no part in organising this, all credit goes to CCN. >.<

wolf'j'max
01-22-2010, 09:03 PM
nooooo you serious i mean there was no one helping so i could get credit too >.> casm...

wolf'j'max
01-24-2010, 08:48 PM
So CCN where's the schedule. You said it would be out today :p

CCN
01-25-2010, 04:52 AM
Brackets Out!



http://challonge.com/images/brackets/ball.png

mikesol
01-25-2010, 05:09 AM
So is this tournament really going to be at 7:30 am Central Time (8:30 am EST?) If so are any of these teams even going to show up?

Edit: I saw that you were thinking of changing it to 6:00 pm GMT - is that official? If so can you update the first post.

CCN
01-25-2010, 05:11 AM
6pm GMT, was moved from 1:30pm GMT

Stormich
01-25-2010, 06:56 AM
LoL that time screws over any US based team.

as red as black
01-25-2010, 07:09 AM
I thought that 7 PM EST worked well for most people.

tyr
01-25-2010, 07:46 AM
7pm ET = 0100 CET, which isnt good for most europeans.

6pm GMT = 1pm ET and 1900 CET, which works for everyone. Am I wrong ?

tgleaf
01-25-2010, 08:01 AM
CCN, nice bracket. Did you decide on bo3 + bo5 for finals?

tgleaf
01-25-2010, 08:07 AM
6pm GMT = 1pm ET and 1900 CET, which works for everyone. Am I wrong ?

No, you're right. Plus, isn't it assumed that if that time doesn't work for _both_ teams, they can just schedule a match? CCN?

CCN
01-25-2010, 09:03 AM
CSS has dropped out, the bracket has been adjusted as a result:

Bo3, Bo5 finals.
6pm GMT is the best compromise that I canf ind. If your team can not make it at this time I apologize but if you Pm me then I can remove you guys from the bracket.

This is a one day only tournament, we are running straight through from start to finish. Rescheduling is only possible for the first round matches, as long as they happen before 6pm EST.
Bo3X10mins + 10mins organizing = approx 40 mins a match. We have 3 servers on the day (I will double check with Maimer if he's still up for setting up his server for the day, if not some games will be slightly delayed).



Match Times (GMT)
Round 1
Time:_______ Match:____________ Server:
18:00_______Bongs, KLF__________PL1
18:00_______FLB, IL______________PL2
18:00______ L,## ________Caps/Maims
18:40______ACE, BL_____________ PL1
18:40______DW, JC_____________ PL2
18:40______ICE,SE________ Caps/Maims

Quater Finals

19:20_______Quarter Final 1 (ball vs)_ PL1
19:20_______Quarter Final 2 ________ PL2
19:20_____Quarter Final 3 (II vs)_ PL3/Caps
20:00_______Quarter Final 4 ________ PL1

Semi Finals
20:00_______Semi Final 1 ___________PL1
20:40_______Semi Final 2____________PL2
21:20_______Bronze Place Match_____PL2

Finals
21:45______Finals (BO5)____________PL1



There will be a televised cast if you can not get an obs spot.
Maps have been decided and will be released on the 26th.

classicallad
01-25-2010, 11:18 AM
lets do dis sheeet, roll on 7th feb.

drunkguava
01-25-2010, 02:44 PM
Soo I just realized that feb 7 is superbowl sunday. That's ok for most games but it will directly clash with the finals. (kickoff Is listed at 6:30PM ET, but it probbly won't happen until 7:15) I don't know about everyone else, but I was kind of hoping to watch the game. Would it be possible, if the teams agree, to reschedule that match? Bo5 with two really good teams might take a while.

[Y]
01-25-2010, 03:24 PM
ignore my post
it seems that york has decided to keep $E going

Phenoca
01-25-2010, 05:58 PM
Offensive Randa looking for team. Require three days to practice with team. IGN: {Sky}MapleSyrup

PMed

CCN
01-25-2010, 06:06 PM
The finals can be rescheduled if the teams want to watch the superbowl, that is defo cool.

Mr.OneTwo
01-25-2010, 07:25 PM
Brackets Out!



http://challonge.com/images/brackets/ball.png

Again, it's DO ut des, not DU ut des.
Thank you for editing the bracket.

York
01-25-2010, 08:54 PM
WOWZER. Screaming Eagles doesnt have 6 guys for ball lol. I am on ICE, so, Dodd will figure it out i suppose

York
01-25-2010, 09:04 PM
I don't want to sound like a complete moron, but isnt GMT the whole entire world? GMT is in greenwich, GMT-6 is somewhere else. So, just tell me waht time I need to play. My match is 18:40 GMT>>>>>>>what does that equal EST (New YorK)

Mr.OneTwo
01-25-2010, 09:33 PM
I don't want to sound like a complete moron, but isnt GMT the whole entire world? GMT is in greenwich, GMT-6 is somewhere else. So, just tell me waht time I need to play. My match is 18:40 GMT>>>>>>>what does that equal EST (New YorK)

Your time = 5 hours less than GMT; so if the match is at 18.40 GMT which is 6.40 PM GMT your match is at 1.40 PM, when U eat and sun is high in the sky to don't misunderstand and make mistakes. :)

tgleaf
01-25-2010, 11:03 PM
Very simple. Go to http://tinyurl.com/ballgmtconverter. Plug in the time and choose GMT on the top. Change the bottom time zone to wherever you are (e.g. Pacific is GMT-8, Eastern is GMT-5). Click on Press Here.

Flight 666
01-26-2010, 07:10 PM
**** THIS bracket!

drunkguava
01-26-2010, 07:15 PM
Hehehhhhh, have fun in round 1...

tgleaf
01-26-2010, 07:21 PM
**** THIS bracket!

See you soon.

York
01-27-2010, 12:20 AM
Your time = 5 hours less than GMT; so if the match is at 18.40 GMT which is 6.40 PM GMT your match is at 1.40 PM, when U eat and sun is high in the sky to don't misunderstand and make mistakes. :)

HAHA. Thanks. I am still pissed that this is on Superbowl Sunday

CCN
02-01-2010, 09:04 PM
Map Lineup, played in order:

Round 1:
Cave, Mayhem, Snow
Round 2:
Core, Mayhem2, Maze
Semi's:
Darkwar, Cave, Maze
Finals and 3rd Place Match (Bo5):
Cave, Snow, Maze, Mayhem2, Darkwar



For ##, the nae will be corrected before the day, don't sweat it, sorry.

evilarsenal
02-02-2010, 01:10 AM
My predictions

KLF and Bong's Bitches
Interesting Match up, and skill definitely goes to | but KLF has more ball experience. It depends what team does better to be honest but im gonna give KLF a good upset.

L* vs. ##
Lobstars win because they have a great deal of experience compared to ##

fLb vs. IL
fLb wins

ICE and Screaming Eagles
Since screaming eagles is split into like 4 clans for ball i really do not know what is going on. ICE is only a ball team, so i will give my prediction for them to win.

ACE vs. BL
Ace

DW vs. JC
JC has gotten alot better, but i think DW has a little bit more lag and experience in the higher tier of gameplay, so DW will win by an inch.

ROUND 2
KLF vs. BALL
very close matchup... i saw these two scrim and KLF won by one goal. It was a good matchup, but im gonna give KLF the victory again.

L* vs. fLb
Should be another close matchup but i predict fLb will take this with some dificulty.

|| vs ICE
I love subway therefore Team Sandwich wins

ACE vs. DW
Ace

|| vs ACE
its obvious that ACE is an amazing team, but they literally suck at Ball, not that its bad, but they will put a fight up against ||. Good luck to ace and || in season 3

fLb vs. KLF
flb

|| vs. fLb
aww the finals
Im gonna give team sandwich the victory lolz ;| flb doesnt take anything seriously

combat
02-02-2010, 01:15 AM
**** THIS bracket!

You said it bro.

tyr
02-02-2010, 01:17 AM
|| vs ACE
its obvious that ACE is an amazing team, but they literally suck at Ball, not that its bad, but they will put a fight up against ||. Good luck to ace and || in season 3

You realize that that was ages ago right ?
A lot of things have changed ... To be honest, I think we can take the tourney without losing more than a couple of games.
Anything can happen though so I'm not gonna bet my life on that, especially since Sammich is indeed a very tough team.

evilarsenal
02-02-2010, 01:45 AM
:P u lost to FN in ball broseph TYR

:D prove me wrong

Evan20000
02-02-2010, 01:56 AM
Are you implying we're bad? >.>

mikesol
02-02-2010, 02:14 AM
I wouldn't push off ace like that. Don't forget about maimer, ggq, tyr, etc. I know from experience that Maimer and GGQ are excellent ball players and I've seen ACE people in ball here and there. I haven't seen much of my team playing ball as well. I think the match between ACE and || will be the toughest match in the tourney.

tgleaf
02-02-2010, 04:13 AM
I think the match between ACE and || will be the toughest match in the tourney.

Agree there.

CCN
02-02-2010, 06:39 AM
Given how the semi finals seems to attract a lot of interest,


The teams in the semi-finals have the option of making it a BO5. Both teams will be asked if they prefer a BO3 or BO5 by me and will PM me their decision. If one disagrees with BO5 it will be a BO3.

BO5 Semi-Final Map Pool:
Mayhen, Darkwar, Core, Cave, Maze
BO3 Semi-Final Map Pool:
Semi's:
Darkwar, Cave, Maze

tgleaf
02-02-2010, 06:53 AM
Given how the semi finals are so super interesting, would people be open to me making it a BO5?
The lineup would change.
Mayhen, Darkwar, Core, Cave, Maze

However until stated otherwise it is still a Bo3:

Yes, that would be fine.

tyr
02-02-2010, 08:47 AM
:P u lost to FN in ball broseph TYR

:D prove me wrong

We will.
Ball has evolved a lot since that first tourney, and believe me, we've become pretty good, to say the least.
As mike said, Sammich vs ACE should be the best match of the whole tourney.

classicallad
02-02-2010, 10:49 AM
I don't want to sound like a complete moron, but isnt GMT the whole entire world? GMT is in greenwich, GMT-6 is somewhere else. So, just tell me waht time I need to play. My match is 18:40 GMT>>>>>>>what does that equal EST (New YorK)

Seriously York? And you want to run tournaments! Use a time converter, there is no shame in asking for help, the only heroes in this world are dead and buried but Google is a powerful tool and your friend.

classicallad
02-02-2010, 10:52 AM
7pm ET = 0100 CET, which isnt good for most europeans.

6pm GMT = 1pm ET and 1900 CET, which works for everyone. Am I wrong ?

Unless of course you enjoy very late nights or early mornings, we vary greatly in our preferences.

classicallad
02-02-2010, 10:59 AM
I can't see anyone other than ACE winning this one, I have seen the sammies <3 play a fair bit so final will be || vs Ace.

I mean cmon Maimer invented the dam mode lol.

tgleaf
02-02-2010, 05:21 PM
CCN, just double-checking:

Format: Random seed, Bo3, finals Bo5. First to 6 goals, 10 minute timer.

This means that each game has a time limit of 10 minutes? So for a Bo3 round, it could take 0-10 minutes for each of the three games, right?

CCN
02-02-2010, 06:18 PM
CCN, just double-checking:



This means that each game has a time limit of 10 minutes? So for a Bo3 round, it could take 0-10 minutes for each of the three games, right?

correct

..................

CCN
02-04-2010, 06:48 AM
apathy bump

nesnl
02-04-2010, 07:38 AM
Note that some of the maps have changed in this last patch. Also, new maps were added. Might want to update your map list to reflect that.

drunkguava
02-04-2010, 07:50 AM
are the revised versions of mayhem etc official already?

nesnl
02-04-2010, 08:03 AM
They just became official. Mayhem, Mayhem2, Core as well as Planepark (courtesy of mandrad)

CCN
02-04-2010, 09:23 AM
i've been hearing about rev_mayhem. however if they are not well known it may be a bit late to add in the maps >_>

I'll take a look at it asap >_>

tgleaf
02-04-2010, 03:28 PM
i've been hearing about rev_mayhem. however if they are not well known it may be a bit late to add in the maps >_>

I'll take a look at it asap >_>

I agree. And that's coming from someone who's clan has probably played the most on the new (rev_) maps and might have an advantage. I think the tournament should be played on the old maps, if possible.

The rev_ maps are better, no doubt, but if no one is used to them, the level of play won't be as high and it may not be a good thing for the tournament.

mikesol
02-05-2010, 05:53 AM
Btw we're adding Aya aka Shiro to our team.

TRUEPAiN
02-05-2010, 08:46 AM
I agree. And that's coming from someone who's clan has probably played the most on the new (rev_) maps and might have an advantage. I think the tournament should be played on the old maps, if possible.

The rev_ maps are better, no doubt, but if no one is used to them, the level of play won't be as high and it may not be a good thing for the tournament.

The latest patch updated the maps, it can't be helped. Unless there's really a strong request for it, and you guys get the original mayhem/core and send them to me.

There will be a good amount of time between this patch and the tourney, so it should be plenty of time for teams to get familiar, wouldn't worry about competitiveness.

The exp. will bring the heat.

Stormich
02-05-2010, 09:16 AM
Plenty of time? It's friday and the games are on sunday. You know most of the teams who entered don't specifically cater to ball. We play ball on the side. Well whatever, Sammich and ACE delivering the pwn :D

CCN
02-05-2010, 09:46 AM
The latest patch updated the maps, it can't be helped. Unless there's really a strong request for it, and you guys get the original mayhem/core and send them to me.

There will be a good amount of time between this patch and the tourney, so it should be plenty of time for teams to get familiar, wouldn't worry about competitiveness.

The exp. will bring the heat.

ill get you the Id's and Maps tonight (my time in like a few hours)

CCN
02-06-2010, 10:03 AM
map pool change, Rev Mayhem 2 is subbing for Mayhem 2 as mayhem 2 has disappeared into the ether


http://www.mediafire.com/?mmjzzg2mwzk
All the maps, renamed slightly so they don't interfere with other maps (rev mayhem and non-rev come to mind).



There are 5 servers set up for the ball tourney (hopefully)
PL 1
PL 2
captains
Truepains Ball Tourney 1/4
Turepains ball tourney 1/5


3 of these servers are going to be used for the tourney, the last 2 - true pains are going to be used for scrims/practises/pick up games during the tourney and before + after.

The 3rd place and finals match may be moved to truepains server if it holds up alright (e.g. no lag issues) during the tourney. If it holds up alright the finals will be hosted on a server with LOTS of observer spots.
So people don't have to scramble so much and still miss out on spots. So, if you want to observer the finals/bronze place match, its in your best interest to scrim on those servers lots :D

Thank you all and good luck!

TRUEPAiN
02-06-2010, 04:02 PM
Those the correct versions of Core & Mayhem?

Flight 666
02-06-2010, 11:53 PM
Iron Legends roster updated

Team Name:Iron Legends
Tag:IL|
Captain (Altitude Name):Flight 666
Team Members:Flight 666, Demonpuppet, Combat, Number 3, Black, DMCM, Bukem, Pieface, Invictus, Radium, Coolcow, FU, Spiritus, Gold,Sicksone,Nicko
Gold,Jesuslives, Mastercoop, Eagle
Zone Time: EST

Kuja900
02-06-2010, 11:56 PM
Anyone want to tell me what 18:00 GMT converts to in EST

GGQ
02-07-2010, 12:12 AM
Anyone want to tell me what 18:00 GMT converts to in EST

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

nesnl
02-07-2010, 01:42 AM
I might be wrong here, but are we going to be using the old versions of these maps? I don't understand the reasoning behind using the older versions considering they play a lot worse and the changes to the new versions are only to spawn locations and not to the layout. Can someone explain this to me?

tgleaf
02-07-2010, 04:20 AM
I might be wrong here, but are we going to be using the old versions of these maps? I don't understand the reasoning behind using the older versions considering they play a lot worse and the changes to the new versions are only to spawn locations and not to the layout. Can someone explain this to me?

I should have been more specific about my reasoning. Mayhem is actually the only map I feel strongly should be kept as the old version for the tournament, because of the change to the top tunnel area. Defending attacks has changed quite a bit even though most competitive teams rarely went "top." If we end up using the new version, so be it (it IS a better map, I agree).

Core_rev and Mayhem2_rev only have improved spawn locations, so yes, let's use those.

CCN
02-07-2010, 06:23 AM
While I agree that the rev maps are better, I don't feel 5 days is enough for any team to deal with the changes. Even spawn changes, which affect distance to ball can upset strategies. I'd rather just advoid this problem for now and switch to the new maps as of any future tourneys.

To be frank I think this situation is one which would leave people unhappy whether I used the old or new maps.

CCN
02-07-2010, 07:22 AM
TRUEPAIN SERVER PASSWORD: aleague
PROLEAGUE: aleague
Capts: aleague

nesnl
02-07-2010, 08:42 AM
I hate to bring stuff up like this, but in your first post there is very little info about the actually rules. Then I found a post when I was looking through tonight about some 10 minute round timer? Is that something we are doing or no? We gotta make sure that tec and I have the same server settings prior to playing today.

Kuja900
02-07-2010, 08:51 AM
Have all the tourney maps been uploaded to the servers?

CCN
02-07-2010, 09:45 AM
Have all the tourney maps been uploaded to the servers?

yes it is.

10 min timer on servers. PL is already preset to that AFAIK.

Stormich
02-07-2010, 10:28 AM
WTF? 10 minute timers? That's kinda :( Imagine if you had 10 minute timers in TBD games. I don't see any reason for this as ball matches don't last long.

Smushface
02-07-2010, 04:07 PM
So how do you play ball?

protest boy
02-07-2010, 06:35 PM
L* wins over ##

2-0

Tosconi
02-07-2010, 07:18 PM
DW vs JC (2:0)

Loli.ta
02-07-2010, 07:22 PM
ACE Air Force 2 - 0 Ball Lords

Edit: Auto Caps.

protest boy
02-07-2010, 07:54 PM
L* wins over IL

2-1

Pieface
02-07-2010, 08:07 PM
IL > fLb 2-0 (force forfeit)
L* > IL 2-1

Good games everyone, looking forward to the Preseason!

wolf'j'max
02-07-2010, 08:11 PM
So wen is ball v L*? 20:40 pmish GMT?

tyr
02-07-2010, 08:29 PM
ACE > DW 2-0

semifinals against sammich !

protest boy
02-07-2010, 08:35 PM
L* over {ball}

2-1

CCN
02-07-2010, 08:41 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/altitude-league STREAM

mikesol
02-07-2010, 09:29 PM
Screw match timers -_-;;;

Ace wins 1-2-0 over sammich. Good games :)

Esoteric
02-07-2010, 10:12 PM
ACE wins 3-0 over L*.

Good games, all!

Tosconi
02-07-2010, 10:23 PM
ACE - congrats to another title

tyr
02-07-2010, 10:23 PM
GGs everyone there were some really nice games.
We probably got a bit lucky against Sammich and they may have won under other circumstances but well .. I guess luck is part of any competition and it'll be our turn to get unlucky next time. But anyway, those games were amazing and super tense indeed.
Once again GGs to all the participants and thanks to the organizer. Everything went smoothly and it was a really nice tournament.

See you all guys in APL3 :D

Stormich
02-07-2010, 11:17 PM
GGs

Watched the finals broadcast lol :D
also Tyr (the Norse god) is not pronounced like tire, it's pronounced tier.

drunkguava
02-07-2010, 11:25 PM
GGs

Watched the finals broadcast lol :D
also Tyr (the Norse god) is not pronounced like tire, it's pronounced tier.

heheh whoops, sry about that.
Great games ACE, ||, L*. You guys were madly entertaining to watch (even with the ties). I hope you all haven't had your fill of ball, and we can do this again!

tyr
02-07-2010, 11:40 PM
Lol "tyr is like the kuja of ace" what does that even mean hahahaha
Well obviously we're both captains and we're both bad but that's it (he's worse than me though).

Thanks for the video. It was funny listening to you guys talking. ^^
Invite me some time on skype so we can chat a bit. :D

strrrrront
02-07-2010, 11:45 PM
Yeah ggs everyone. I think the timer may have added some excitement, although I'm not sure we should keep it around next tournament.

So congrats everyone and I'll beat you next time.

Shiro
02-08-2010, 12:45 AM
GGs everyone there were some really nice games.
We probably got a bit lucky against Sammich and they may have won under other circumstances but well .. I guess luck is part of any competition and it'll be our turn to get unlucky next time. But anyway, those games were amazing and super tense indeed.
Once again GGs to all the participants and thanks to the organizer. Everything went smoothly and it was a really nice tournament.

See you all guys in APL3 :D

Pshhh... I'll get my revenge in APL3. And screw the timers, like what mike said.

drunkguava
02-08-2010, 02:02 AM
Lol "tyr is like the kuja of ace" what does that even mean hahahaha
Well obviously we're both captains and we're both bad but that's it (he's worse than me though).

Thanks for the video. It was funny listening to you guys talking. ^^
Invite me some time on skype so we can chat a bit. :D

Haha once the ball ladder is up we can all commentate together. You can show us how it's done. I want to hear more of that sexy accent ;)

CCN
02-08-2010, 05:49 AM
I sound completely gay over my internet mike :(

Pax
02-08-2010, 10:23 AM
Thanks for the games, it was great!

DiogenesDog
02-08-2010, 12:01 PM
hey sandwich, would you guys be up for a scrim vs L*? I'd love to give it a whirl!

drunkguava
02-08-2010, 04:01 PM
Hey now, get in line :P. Bronze medal match needs to be scheduled first. How does this weekend look for you sammiches?

tgleaf
02-08-2010, 10:01 PM
CCN, first of all, thank you for organizing this whole tournament! It was a lot of fun and humbling, although we figured we'd lose to either ACE, ||, or L*.

Can you or another admin disable the BALL timers on APL1 and APL2?

Kuja900
02-08-2010, 10:13 PM
CCN, first of all, thank you for organizing this whole tournament! It was a lot of fun and humbling, although we figured we'd lose to either ACE, ||, or L*.

Can you or another admin disable the BALL timers on APL1 and APL2?

Would seem you weren't in attendance when we scrimmed Ball on friday lol.

tgleaf
02-09-2010, 12:01 AM
Would seem you weren't in attendance when we scrimmed Ball on friday lol.

No, I don't think I knew about that one. But I did show for the tourney. =O

nesnl
02-09-2010, 12:07 AM
Would seem you weren't in attendance when we scrimmed Ball on friday lol.

The bigger question is did any fLB members show up for the scrim? I haven't seen in fLb tag in game for over a month now. (well except ARAB, but not sure if he counts or not)

Pieface
02-09-2010, 12:30 AM
The bigger question is did any fLB members show up for the scrim? I haven't seen in fLb tag in game for over a month now. (well except ARAB, but not sure if he counts or not)

We had a very competitive 6v2 before they all ragequit, I can assure you.

[Y]
02-09-2010, 12:35 AM
Oh yes, it was tough, but IL pulled through with the win.

Kuja900
02-09-2010, 12:43 AM
The bigger question is did any fLB members show up for the scrim? I haven't seen in fLb tag in game for over a month now. (well except ARAB, but not sure if he counts or not)

We have 4+ members on every night, seems we have a lot of ladder addicts. Oh and the rage quit was supposed to be in synch but eth left early ruining our plans.