Sniff :.(

[STACK]

Wellp, maimer has left me no choice but to quit this beloved game. After 5 years, one prick with too much power can completely shut down my experience. I have met a lot of great people here and played a lot of great games, had a lot of great times and some good laughs. This really sucks and I will honestly miss a lot of you.

I will miss my team dearly. Kuja, much respect. You are the most successful player evar imo. Think you have had something like two million winning teams. Havent seen you around much lately which sucks a lot, love talking with ya kuja pie. Man or woMAN, I love ya and will miss you more than the game itself. I'm not crying, i got something in my eye. Okok I am crying a little :( just a LITTLE

Eth, you little viking bastard. I know you spite me now but I will miss you too. You put loopy on the map, much respect and love.

Bingo you goofy little bastard, lol. Love ya man, almost as much as I love those sweedes. And yes, 7 and 3/4" for the record.

Lagstar our time was short but I will miss you partner, love.

Arab you blink 182 listening emo punk, I will miss ya bud. AALALALAL I hope you weren't offended with that map, it was all in fun. Love ya

BG1 I never really got to know you, I always thought you had a problem with me from day one. You are an epic bomb runner, much respect. Hate me or love me I still <3 u

Slapa ur the shiat, you know it. Love ya bud, will miss ur fapping ways

Redshift I never got a chance to talk to you really, but much respect. Your graphics are beautiful. I assume you are on board with maims but <3 anyway

Gaym omfg u play soo much, what a beast. You were the first name I started to fear when I started playing again. Much love, and will miss you

Bling you cocky little bitch, I didnt get to know you very well either. Love ya tho and will miss ya, MOAR ACID

Last and certainly least Evil, you are one goofy bastard. That thread you made with the multiple personalities was soooo lol. Loved ya in vent too. Will miss ya partner, <3

I will also miss all of my little bear brothers from the SS clan. That was a sad day when you guys left us. Extra love goes out to Tex, i will miss ya bud. Regretfully, I must mention that goofy foreign Tyr fellow. Loved all the rivalry with your team, hope you did not take anything personally. And your voice is so damn cute!!!! For everyone I missed I have not forgotten you, I just can't make this ten pages long. You know who you are, love ya guys/girl(s?) and I will truly miss you all. I had a lot of fun while I was here, and couldn't have done it without each and every one of you.

/kekeke =(

[CCN]

I am Confused? Have you been hit by the ban list?

Its sad to see players go. I didn't know you well, don't think you liked me but I respect you speaking your mind (and being restrained still) when you were passioned. As well as holding true to your convictions.

Good luck in future games.



List of casualties due to current drama:
Luke (kind of)
Class
Stack
KLF (its not a person but it was important to many of us=()


FU Beagle let me on freelancer

[wolf'j'max]

Me sad seeing stack leaving :( the volleyballing was great :D

[Luke]

Me and class casualties?
I just can't play on the servers owned by maimer, who unfortunately lost control of his admin powers.
I'm not quitting the game, unless lamster and karl decide to ban my account for some reason I can't imagine. And by the way, I'm really looking forward to see what's their opinion about all this mess.

[eth]

It's just too funny to see abusers claim Maimer "lost control" when you got banned. FYI, both me and nobodyhome completely agreed with the bans, so if you really need to blame someone else for your own mistakes, you can include us as well!

[GGQ]

List of casualties due to their own decision to abuse:

Fixed that for you. Your attitude is one that any Starcraft fan can relate to; it was the prevalent attitude towards abusers in the Starcraft community for many years. That is, an attitude of "yeah, they abused but they are good players and we don't want to lose them from the community, so let's just ignore the abusing". It's a bad idea and abuse should never be tolerated.

[tomato man]

can't believe

[CCN]

Fixed that for you. Your attitude is one that any Starcraft fan can relate to; it was the prevalent attitude towards abusers in the Starcraft community for many years. That is, an attitude of "yeah, they abused but they are good players and we don't want to lose them from the community, so let's just ignore the abusing". It's a bad idea and abuse should never be tolerated.

I don't plan to get into a flame war so 2 quick point and i'm out, regardless.

You use an example set by the greatest RTS of all time as a bad decision, and in the same breadth try and analogize hacking with xp farming.
You also changed my list name to include Stack and Class as abusers. Nice.

This community has a ways to go.

Edit: Re-reading I wasn't clear, the list change point in more detail:
Painting people defending a point of view with people who have done certain actions all with the same brush is wrong. They are very different groups. "I may not believe in what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[GGQ]

I don't plan to get into a flame war so 2 quick point and i'm out, regardless.

You use an example set by the greatest RTS of all time as a bad decision.
You also changed my list name to include Stack and Class as abusers. Nice.

This community has a ways to go.

Starcraft is the greatest RTS of all time. That doesn't mean the community did everything right at every point. Coddling abusers and hackers was a great detriment to Starcraft
Stack did abuse. Class may not have, but he's defending his teammate against people trying to fight abuse. You're making a pedantic point, and the idea of my original point holds.

You have a ways to go

[[Y]]

You seem like a cool guy, stack. Too bad I won't get to know you in the future =(
<8 anyways

Time to log on and see if I've been smashed with the ban hammer also.

[Evan20000]

I'll miss you Stack. I wasn't around yesterday for any drama that may have happened, but I'll miss you anyway.

Most depressing 1000th post ever.

[matattack]

gl stack have fun :(
keke..
:o

[Ajuk999]

Who, What, Were, When? Huh, What Happened?

[Kuja900]

Stack, I love you now quit being a whiny bitch your not quitting now log on and blow up some planes!

[Loli.ta]

Mr. Kekekeke! :'(

[A doughnut]

s...s...s...STACK. HOW COULD U MAIMER?????? STACK MAKES ME LAUGH ON A REGULAR BASIS. I CANT BELIEVE THIS. S...S...S...S...STACK! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[hurripilot]

WTF is going on? I just got finished posting in class's thread about how unnecessary it was. Maybe I was wrong?

First off, what exactly happened to Stack?

Secondly, why is Maimer banning so many people?

It seems as though this situation is spiraling rapidly out of control. I thought Class's thread was a bit unreasonable and was bound to bring trouble, but I guess someone else has beat him to it. Do we really care SO MUCH about people abusing exploits? I mean it's not like Luke or anyone else was hacking the game. They just wanted a weird-ass picture of a scuba diver next to their names so they went off and exploited stuff that was already in the game. While I don't understand why anyone would do that, I find it hard to believe that such an exploit requires this kind of action. I can see banning Luke for reasons other than his "quicky badge scheme", but Stack? I mean, I want to gain ace ranks legitimately, but I also don't give a **** what anyone else does to gain them. Why does anyone really care that much? Maimer didn't even seem interested when the system first came out. He even told Vesuvius how to cheat. I thought he and I were on the same page. "Yah, some people will exploit, but whatever." Apparently, I was wrong.

[[FN]MONXY FIST]

Starcraft is the greatest RTS of all time. That doesn't mean the community did everything right at every point. Coddling abusers and hackers was a great detriment to Starcraft
Stack did abuse. Class may not have, but he's defending his teammate against people trying to fight abuse. You're making a pedantic point, and the idea of my original point holds.

You have a ways to go

Life isn't black and white. Altitude community is not the starcraft community and not all abuse is detrimental to a community. What has had a more negative impact to the community? Lukes abuse or the drama that resulted from it? People like you let abuse that affects one person affect a whole community.
I hope you understand that the actions of the admins has made the situation worse.

[Sarah Palin]

Oh are we calling Maimer to the stand now? What is this a Congressional hearing?

Stack is trying to make this into "Boohoo Maimer kicked me out of the game" and some of you are falling for it. Like Monxy, a third party, saying Maimer should undo the ban because "all this drama is hurting the community" and Hurri saying "Does this really matter all that much?"

Who's hurting the community Monxy? Maimer for banning people from HIS server or Stack for posting a whiny forum thread and Luke for withdrawing from Proleague and disbanding KLF out of spite?

Does this really matter a lot Hurri? Well, who is playing brinksmanship games here? "If you don't let me on all private servers despite my actions I'm taking my toys and going home."

Maimer's ban is between him and Stack. But since Stack has decided he's never going to admit that what he did was NOT FAIR PLAY, he's appealing to the community for some kind of referendum on Maimer's actions. And he's hoping that by stirring enough drama he'll force Maimer to undo his ban.

Bye for now Stack, I'm sure you'll be back when the devs roll back your stats and you promise not to cheat anymore. See you then.

[Massi]

I really don't want to be a part of this but I thought I should say something.
I agree with Monxy in Class's thread.
Its a flipping picture, who cares!?!? Its not like it give 50K extra CP or bonus points or some new plane, its a picture half a centimeter big and there is no help in have 5 extra slots in the plane section so it gives whoever "abused" the system nothing but a picture.

[Vania]

WTF is everyone talking about? Hax?

[[FN]MONXY FIST]

Oh are we calling Maimer to the stand now? What is this a Congressional hearing?

Stack is trying to make this into "Boohoo Maimer kicked me out of the game" and some of you are falling for it. Like Monxy, a third party, saying Maimer should undo the ban because "all this drama is hurting the community" and Hurri saying "Does this really matter all that much?"

Who's hurting the community Monxy? Maimer for banning people from HIS server or Stack for posting a whiny forum thread and Luke for withdrawing from Proleague and disbanding KLF out of spite?

Does this really matter a lot Hurri? Well, who is playing brinksmanship games here? "If you don't let me on all private servers despite my actions I'm taking my toys and going home."

Maimer's ban is between him and Stack. But since Stack has decided he's never going to admit that what he did was NOT FAIR PLAY, he's appealing to the community for some kind of referendum on Maimer's actions. And he's hoping that by stirring enough drama he'll force Maimer to undo his ban.

Bye for now Stack, I'm sure you'll be back when the devs roll back your stats and you promise not to cheat anymore. See you then.

My post was on the general attitude on abuse that some members have. Had nothing to do with Maimer ( although he is one of those said members). I was not calling for anybody to be unbanned and of course the admins contributed to the drama. (as did the abusers like stack) All i am saying that this is a big deal because certain people made a big deal (once again people on both sides).

[Beagle]

The amount of eye-burning, face-scarring vitriolic spite to people you've known and played with for months, maybe even years, over something this inconsequential would shock me anywhere else, but not here.

I always used DoTA as my benchmark of the worst community in the world, until I found Altitude.

[[Y]]

Who knew it'd become such a huge issue?

Still waiting for Bagle's 5000 word essay on the topic he teased about above.

[Sarah Palin]

The amount of eye-burning, face-scarring vitriolic spite to people you've known and played with for months, maybe even years, over something this inconsequential would shock me anywhere else, but not here.

I always used DoTA as my benchmark of the worst community in the world, until I found Altitude.

Don't worry Bagels I'll pick you... one day... when you stop playing reverse.

<3333

[Jacques Strap]

The amount of eye-burning, face-scarring vitriolic spite to people you've known and played with for months, maybe even years, over something this inconsequential would shock me anywhere else, but not here.

I always used DoTA as my benchmark of the worst community in the world, until I found Altitude.

Really?! Altitude is the best online community I've ever seen. If you think we're bad, you should see some larger games like RuneScape or WoW. The stupid whiny kids in those games are treated as if are contributing to the community. Here, there isn't much tolerance for the lammybois, omnicrons, woods, etc.

Unfortunately, the drama surrounding the Ace system is changing my opinion on the community.

[Evan20000]

Unfortunately, the drama surrounding the Ace system is changing my opinion on the community.

This. Really guys? So much angst for an emblem?

[Beagle]

Really?! Altitude is the best online community I've ever seen. If you think we're bad, you should see some larger games like RuneScape or WoW. The stupid whiny kids in those games are treated as if are contributing to the community. Here, there isn't much tolerance for the lammybois, omnicrons, woods, etc.

Unfortunately, the drama surrounding the Ace system is changing my opinion on the community.

I speak with experience of a lot of communities when I say the illogical and unprovoked hatred the people of this community unleash upon their fellow player surpasses any other game I've played. Even DoTA, even CS 1.6, even the Valve forums.

[Kuja900]

I speak with experience of a lot of communities when I say the illogical and unprovoked hatred the people of this community unleash upon their fellow player surpasses any other game I've played. Even DoTA, even CS 1.6, even the Valve forums.

This community has nothing on the eve forums

[Herodadotus]

I can't believe the damage that Ace emblems are starting to cause this community. It's kinda depressing.

[Beagle]

This community has nothing on the eve forums

You've got me there, I've never played Eve Online, even though it looks so fun and engazzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

[Kuja900]

You've got me there, I've never played Eve Online, even though it looks so fun and engazzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

No one actually "plays" eve online.

[DryBone]

Word in my mind after reading the post - "......heck? *thinking* GASP!"

[evilarsenal]

I am sorry to hear this Stack. I haven't been around and i wish i knew what was going on, and to see if I could have prevented this. Hopefully one day you will be back. I hope you are happy with your decision. I know these kinds of decisions are hard to make. I wish you luck in the future for whatever you decide to do or what you're currently doing.

Bye
-Evil Arsenal

[Ajuk999]

No one actually "plays" eve online.

American Conquest Either.

[Triped]

American Conquest Either.

I really like that game!

[A doughnut]

so much crap is gong on, i think its too much for lam and karl to completely undo.

[Herodadotus]

so much crap is gong on, i think its too much for lam and karl to completely undo.

This seem like a situation in which minimizing damages is the best option. :/

[A doughnut]

This seem like a situation in which minimizing damages is the best option. :/

i could not agree more. This is like one of those ***** ketchup stains that u get on your white t-shirts. you can try as hard as u can to scrub it out, but u can only fade it more and more, you will always still see that little difference in shade left. And over here, there is no bleach.

[eth]

This. Really guys? So much angst for an emblem?

THEY ARE THE COOLEST ICONS IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD IS IT ANY WONDER WE GET SUPER PISSED AND THROW OUR MONITORS OUT THE WINDOW WHILE SCREAMING IN RAGE SO HARD OUR FACES TURN BLUE AND WE ASPHYXIATE AND DROP TO THE FLOOR DYING SLOWLY CURSING OUR HATED ENEMIES WITH OUR LAST BREATH?

Oh wait, it's not actually about those icons is it, and it's not really hatred either, is it!

e: in case anyone takes this offensive and don't get my particular flavor of humor, just trying to say I don't think anyone really hates stack or vesu or fu or luke for abusing. I really dislike Luke for his pathetic attempts at blaming the system and saying he's totally innocent, and I'm unbelivably disappointed in Stack, especially after he tried to shift blame onto everyone else, but hate? Nah man.. this is the internet. I think they should be punished tho, so that's why I'm for the bans.

[Sarah Palin]

It's not really about the icons, it's not really even about the fact they cheated, it's about what they posted.

If you want to be a cheater go ahead but don't come on the forums and be all "There's no explicit rule against me farming bot goals on a non-port-forwarding server! Nyaahhhh!"

[[Y]]

Even if it isn't about the icons, it still shouldn't be doing this much damage to the community.

I think the reason so much drama has resulted from this is because 90% of the Altitude experience and the "fun factor" of Altitude (for me, at least) comes from ladder and competitive games (aka APL), which are played in private servers, and the people who own these servers and the people who have admin-ship in these servers have their own views and opinions on the whole issue, so it basically ends up being that if you want to play Altitude, you have to follow their rules.

People who have that much power and control over a player's Altitude experience (i.e. Maimer, Kuja, Nobodyhome, all other admins of proleagues and ladders) need to remain neutral in situations like this and try to see things from both sides instead of going straight for that ban button because they're upset. If they had been neutral in this whole farming issue, the damage would have been minimized and this thread wouldn't exist right now.

I am not attacking the admins nor am I defending those who have been banned. Just my thoughts.

[Beagle]

e: in case anyone takes this offensive and don't get my particular flavor of humor, just trying to say I don't think anyone really hates stack or vesu or fu or luke for abusing. I really dislike Luke for his pathetic attempts at blaming the system and saying he's totally innocent, and I'm unbelivably disappointed in Stack, espeohgodlook its basically the same thing

I love semantics too, you can abuse them to make any verbal-lynching of former friends seem soft and justified

[GGQ]

I love semantics too, you can abuse them to make any verbal-lynching of former friends seem soft and justified

There's more to it than semantics, Beagle. You can hate abuse and not hate abusers.

[Beagle]

There's more to it than semantics, Beagle. You can hate abuse and not hate abusers.

If so, the effect seems to be the exactly the same regarding how the abusers are treated.

[classicallad]

Eth im listening but your not getting through. Wtf claiming innocence and all that bull, Everyone plus Luke know exactly how he did what he did. I mean i cant say that spending 10 hours or whatever it was farming goals and kills to get a pretty picture sounds like my idea of fun, but denying him the right to play for his team in, (for the moment) the only competitive league seems to me and apparantly a shed load of others a tad harsh.

I have been through all of this in my head so many times and getting a team of people together to start a new league is doable but really i would rather not as i have time for Evil who has put in so much of his free time to amongst others to create APL.

My competitive Altitude experience has not come to an end yet, far from it but at the moment i cant justify registering my team to a league when my friends have fallen foul to a ban hammer.

Justified? Well as said many many times it is the owner of a servers right to ban or unban whom he or she sees fit, but i am really surprised at how this emblem thing has transpired into actually tearing parts of the community apart.

Sure i can see how some frown upon farming, hell i farmed my ass off when i first started playing on jeppew's server with all the turrets and what not, but i cant see that he shouldnt be able to represent his team.

Such as life i dont expect to get along swimmingly with everyone but i would hope on issues that concern a collection of people or issues that affect the 'community' we could all sing from the same songsheet.

Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast.

class

[eth]

I love semantics too, you can abuse them to make any verbal-lynching of former friends seem soft and justified

Really? Hatred == Disappointment? Well, glad I'm not in your world, seems to be a dangerous place O_o Oh and uhm.. I'm pretty sure the most flaming was done by the abusers themselves, no? lol

[Corvus Crypt]

This is interesting. This thread started about Stacks being sad he's leaving, and now everyone* is arguing about abusing the system or, well anything :o

I guess if you want to convince him to stay, then your argument is valid, I just like pointing obvious stuff out :p

Please don't attack me.

*hyperbole, I know some people aren't arguing
Edited:Forgot to say goodbye to Stacks meself! Cya and Good Luck! :)

[STEP]

When Luke did his botfarming, was it against the rules?
We all tried get as much xp as fast as possible. Only Luke played a lot more then some. So was that abuse, playing a lot against bots?
If an update, thx admins for all the funstuff, has some unforseen side effects, we players can we be banned for using the tools we get?
Its fixed now, botfarming is solved.

Wasn't this the issue off this drama?

Can't we just ban the drama and ALL play unbanned in cool servers. Even Luke and Stack. Shake hands and play Alti with a content smile on our faces?

[Sarah Palin]

Can't we just ban the drama and ALL play unbanned in cool servers. Even Luke and Stack. Shake hands and play Alti with a content smile on our faces?

Stack could have come back at any time by saying "Oops, my bad, I promise not to farm anymore and when the devs roll me back to Ace 1, I hope you will unban me Maimer so we can play together again. No hard feelings I hope."

Trust me I know, Maimer banned me once and when I apologized nicely for the pissy things I said, he undid it.

But no instead Stack decided to post things like "Opinions are like ass holes. You may think it is retarded to set up a macro before leaving for work, I may think it is retarded to play Altitude for 14 hours a day. To each his own. Bull**** opinion you say? Now you know how I felt reading your BS opinions."

Not really likely to get Maimer to undo his ban, and when he saw that he posted this "Goodbye Cruel World and FU Maimer For Ruining My Alti Experience" thread to try to stir enough drama to get people like you to do exactly what you are doing, try to force maimer through community pressure to undo his ban.

If you want proof just look at how recently he's been active. He hasn't "left forever," he's following this thread.

Stop buying into his stupid game. This thread is doing nothing constructive and should be closed pronto as should all "Leaving Foreevaaaaar" threads.

[classicallad]

opinions definately are like assholes it seems more and more.

[CCN]

Personally i'm still waiting for the rest of the bans, I see people with Ace 3/Ace 5 and I know they couldn't of got that legit but they still play ladder/APL. That is what i'm waiting for, an equal applying of this punishment to everyone who abused.

[[Y]]

Palin, the self righteous thing isn't working. Personally i'm still waiting for the rest of the bans, I see people with Ace 3/Ace 5 and I know they couldn't of got that legit but they still play ladder/APL. That is what i'm waiting for, an equal applying of this punishment to everyone who abused.
Mmmmm I'm still waiting for my level reset, but until then feel free to ban me from whatever servers you want.

[as red as black]

i love caring too much about stupid things.

who cares if people farm bots? I farm noobs all day. Let dumb players be as dumb as they want. How are they affecting me if they spend 4 hours a day killing bots?

[CCN]

i love caring too much about stupid things.

who cares if people farm bots? I farm noobs all day. Let dumb players be as dumb as they want. How are they affecting me if they spend 4 hours a day killing bots?

Welcome to a fair portion of the community which however does not include the admins of the main played servers.

[eth]

Personally i'm still waiting for the rest of the bans, I see people with Ace 3/Ace 5 and I know they couldn't of got that legit but they still play ladder/APL. That is what i'm waiting for, an equal applying of this punishment to everyone who abused.

Ace 3/5 is completely legit, I stopped playing at rank3 two days ago simply because I don't have the time anymore, people who continued playing could definitely be rank 5.

Welcome to a fair portion of the community which however does not include the admins of the main played servers.

Did you read Maimer's ridiculously long post on why abusing is bad? Or GGQs? You guys seem to just ignore everything we write and then assume this is something we take as a personal insult.. read please.

[classicallad]

N/A.................

[CCN]

Ace 3/5 is completely legit, I stopped playing at rank3 two days ago simply because I don't have the time anymore, people who continued playing could definitely be rank 5.



Did you read Maimer's ridiculously long post on why abusing is bad? Or GGQs? You guys seem to just ignore everything we write and then assume this is something we take as a personal insult.. read please.


I saw people at Rank3/5 Days ago. I'm more or less talking about the people who were rank 3/5 while you were still leveling through 2. Vesuvius comes to mind as a pertinent example.


I also read his ridiculously long post. Abusing is bad, over reaction is also bad.
The response, from my perspective, was "he stole from a super market, lets hang him." There was no balance of crime and effect. Yet you seem to think there was. If you have read all sides of the issue and still think what you did is justified then there will simply be this divide.

I at least tried to understand the opposing view before disagreeing (even reading through the extremely irritating preachy posts). Can you say that you tried to see our side of the discussion? I can not believe certain individuals have, even if you have personally (only you would know).


TL:DR:
There doesn't seem to be a way to close this impasse without compromise and that doesn't seem forthcoming. So i'm personally going to try my best to avoid this subject and move on. I only come on anymore to play ladder and Scrims, and the lack of games recently has been disconcerting, so can people stop farming for levels and come play some ladd0r.

[tomato man]

when luke did his botfarming, was it against the rules?
We all tried get as much xp as fast as possible. Only luke played a lot more then some. So was that abuse, playing a lot against bots?
If an update, thx admins for all the funstuff, has some unforseen side effects, we players can we be banned for using the tools we get?
Its fixed now, botfarming is solved.

Wasn't this the issue off this drama?

Can't we just ban the drama and all play unbanned in cool servers. Even luke and stack. Shake hands and play alti with a content smile on our faces?

step i totally agree you

[STACK]

Here ya go, sorry about the lighting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZPEwpfSJpU

[Stormich]

Nice no bull**** video. Hopefully the other guys who support sanctions (which I am a part of) will find a way to forgive you too. Gl with getting your bans lifted.

[mikesol]

I really appreciated the video stack. I think most people were just looking for something like this. I feel like most of the people who were upset by the farming were upset based on the reaction of others and them not caring and not apologizing in the slightest.

Very mature video stack :)

[Triped]

Didn't expect that. :)

[tgleaf]

Nice, Stack. Don't know you, but I appreciate the honest video response. Well said.

[Evan20000]

*Starts a slow clap for stack*

I admit, I was angry at first, but all the drama has really made me stop caring. I'd love to have you back.

[Kuja900]

Stack your not quitting, I love you to much, log on.

[Sarah Palin]

Stack that was way more constructive than what you posted a few days ago and way more effective in getting your POV across.

Thank you for what you said, especially that you know macroing is wrong and you're sorry and won't do it anymore.

That video probably wasn't easy to make. I hope you're unbanned. I apologize for the mean things I said about you in this/other threads although I know I can't take my words back.

[STACK]

Stack your not quitting, I love you to much, log on.

Nowhere to play >_<
<3

[Mt.Vesuvius]

i got a ban but it wasnt too long..

[Kuja900]

Nowhere to play >_<
<3

After the patch level reset I will unban you and the rest of the abusers from APL. Log on and blow up some planes.

edit: I expect more shout outs in any videos you make in the future, the fact you only mentioned my name once upset me :(.

[gameguard]

STACKKKKKKKK come backkk


here is my 2 cents. I dont like disagreeing with eth cus his like my best butt buddy but id like to just say I think this whole issue is a bit silly. Its abusing the system yes, and thats always bad, but you gota look at the whole picture. You cant just brand these people as "abusers" and ban them for months or years lol. Im pretty sure in their mind, it was perfectly harmless and they just wanted new badges. Im willing to take a bet that the majority of the people dont really care that they farmed the badges. As far as i know cloud was experimenting with some methods too when it first came out.

If when the patch came out, lam said you shouldnt farm bots or goals or whatever, then I would agree that it would be wrong to do. And im sure they wouldnt have done it if that was the case. But really tehre was no rule at all.

Its not like because they are willing to farm bots to get some new badge they will also abuse the game to get an advantage over other players.

If after all this, some guy still farm bots and **** peopel wouldnt care if they get banned. But these first few bans are way over the top and they are pretty much the scapegoat so others know not to do this.

[Stormich]

Umm Game...

Abuse is defined by deliberately boosting through ace ranks using an obvious exploit. For example, some players created password-protected servers so only they could join, built a custom ball map with nothing but a goal next to the ball spawn, and then repeatedly scored against an undefended net to earn XP. They went through full ace ranks in 1.5 hours using this approach.

Our intent is to preserve meaning in the ace system and to restore peace to the community. Very few players abused the system, and most that did have already requested that I reset them to ace1/level1 as a show of good faith. Likewise the server admins who were forced to ban abusers are eager to move on -- there is a general consensus that resetting the unfair gains is appropriate punishment, and once complete the server bans can be lifted. Those who are reset will be able to gain back their ace ranks, but they'll have to do it the intended way this time.

So yeah, a bit late :D