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evilarsenal
04-06-2010, 08:20 AM
WEEK 5
APL Server #1
1:00 PM EST DW vs. FN
2:00 PM EST ## vs. fLb
3:00 PM EST Ball vs. Lobstars
4:00 PM EST Lobstars vs. BB

APL Server #2
1:00 PM EST JC vs. FLB
2:00 PM EST JC vs. (||)
3:00 PM EST ACE vs. RIP
4:00 PM EST RIP vs. FN



Wow, how many teams died... this will probably change don't count on this

i'll update the maplist as well

classicallad
04-06-2010, 09:14 AM
KLF will play L* this week too, 6PM EST.

Mr.OneTwo
04-06-2010, 09:37 AM
The moment has come; we'll face fLb. LOL.

Tosconi
04-06-2010, 10:09 AM
as far as I understand, JC died as well

VeRiTaS
04-06-2010, 10:46 AM
Indeed Tosconi...Evilaresenal check up JC front page...Thx and we are sorry for having to leave the league...

tomato man
04-06-2010, 12:11 PM
is JC failed???

NastyManatee
04-06-2010, 01:59 PM
9 teams left, lul. Guess that gives us more time for our bong's bitches rematch.

VeRiTaS
04-06-2010, 02:08 PM
And FN is going to be DQ if they dont show this week so probably 8 team mana

[Y]
04-06-2010, 03:07 PM
Active APL teams as far as I know:

ACE
(||)
fLb
L*
IL
KLF
BB
DW
Ball
RIP
##

which means 11/16 teams registered

DX, FN, IB, JC, and FA are the other 5

as red as black
04-06-2010, 07:44 PM
can we just play an ACE fLb championship game already and get this **** done with?

[Y]
04-06-2010, 08:15 PM
ACE and fLb aren't this season's definitive top two teams. In my opinion the big time playoff games are the ones between ACE, sammich, lobstars, and fLb.

number 3
04-06-2010, 10:15 PM
Is IL not playing this week?

DMCM
04-06-2010, 10:22 PM
Is IL not playing this week?

We were supposed to play FA this week, and IB the next so we got no matches for a while.

classicallad
04-06-2010, 10:35 PM
;45375']ACE and fLb aren't this season's definitive top two teams. In my opinion the big time playoff games are the ones between ACE, sammich, lobstars, and fLb.

I like being the under-dog, this is good news.

classicallad
04-06-2010, 10:38 PM
May i suggest that teams need to stay together for a minimum of 3 months and having taken part in an off season tourney before their registration for APL is accepted?

Tosconi
04-06-2010, 11:13 PM
Class - in case of JC and probably FN we see, it's not always working.

Herodadotus
04-07-2010, 01:01 AM
Sigh, this past weekend is making me worry now. I can't believe it...

Tosconi
04-07-2010, 01:03 AM
just keep your team together man. To be honest I still can't believe RIP's showing up all the time - but it's really great! Keep it up.

mikesol
04-07-2010, 03:10 AM
So since JC died the only game we have this week is with BB.

Pieface
04-07-2010, 03:39 AM
All of these teams dropping out means more work for me when it comes to editing the Wiki :\

Anyway, both the Week 5 schedule is up and and the rankings have been updated what with JC dropping out. Now that games played against JC don't count for points anymore Sammich has taken a definitive lead. As per usual, you can find this information here:
http://nimblygames.com/wiki/index.php?title=Proleague_2010_(Season_3)

Let me know if I messed anything up with the changes, as I did them in a hurry so there might be some mistakes.

pig_bomb
04-07-2010, 02:07 PM
so ACE has played 2 less games then everyone else?? wtf and we only have one game this week against a garbage team??

evilarsenal
04-07-2010, 02:35 PM
yea, well you played all the teams that dq'ed early on, not anyones fault, you'll get your games dont worry

A Nipple
04-07-2010, 05:35 PM
Bongs Week 5 Roster:

Bong
Andy
Nipple
Proggies
Wolf
Hartz
Tiny
Waste
Lamb
Botak
Nadespam
Duck

there maybe 1/2 changes down to availability which I will let you know by saturday latest!

p.s our match vs L* is now 2pm EST!

hope this is all in order

much love nip

Esoteric
04-07-2010, 06:04 PM
L* vs BB has been rescheduled to 2:00, Server 3.
Pass the word!

bong
04-08-2010, 03:01 AM
L* vs BB has been rescheduled to 2:00, Server 3.
Pass the word!

Lies! lol jk! Andy if u read this, dont change the time again, eso and i already agreed on this time.

Cheers!

combat
04-08-2010, 03:24 AM
Small question here evil, since the teams IL were supposed to play have since dropped out, will this effect our total "points" vs other teams who have to opportunity to win more games?

nesnl
04-08-2010, 03:43 AM
Small question here evil, since the teams IL were supposed to play have since dropped out, will this effect our total "points" vs other teams who have to opportunity to win more games?

It won't matter because in the end everyone will have played each other at the end of the league. So if there are 10 teams, each one will have 9 total games that count towards its record or total points. If there are 6 teams remaining then each team will have 5 games, etc.

Corvus Crypt
04-08-2010, 12:30 PM
so ACE has played 2 less games then everyone else?? wtf and we only have one game this week against a garbage team??

We know you'll win ace, no need to call us garbage :D
Anyway, I think people in our clan just got disheartened last (APL) week, and I was too in the first week of proleague, but now I'm just glad that I get to play in proleague and that we have (at times:p) been able to field a full team. Even if we don't win, if we hold together, we'll be a better clan for it.:D

Tosconi
04-08-2010, 12:56 PM
well calling an existing team garbage is really disrespectful to the whole community. No matter how guys play - they show up, try and strive. Elitist notes do no good.

A Nipple
04-08-2010, 03:51 PM
lol gota love ACE. nonchalant 'confidence' lawl u 'garbage' lol

Mandrad
04-08-2010, 03:56 PM
so ACE has played 2 less games then everyone else?? wtf and we only have one game this week against a garbage team??

Stupidity at its best! Like pigs dirt, takes too much space.

innerlyte
04-08-2010, 06:10 PM
Don't forget we still have to make up our game versus ACE from a few weeks back. Now fLb can play a garbage team XD

NastyManatee
04-09-2010, 03:31 PM
You'd think pig_bomb was on an undefeated team or something, lawl. Kinda hard to be such an elitist when your status as "elite" is questionable.

pig_bomb
04-10-2010, 07:31 PM
:O oh the rage, a little playful $hit talking never went astray, especially not in this game, if any members of RIP want to talk some smack about my team they can feel free,

i hope i didn't discourage any nooblets, next time it'll be all love and kisses i promise

Evan20000
04-10-2010, 07:46 PM
I love how when Pig makes one slightly trollish comment everyone gets pitchforks, yet when Kuja makes an inflammatory thread, the reactions range from "What a troll" to even agreeance.

Smushface
04-10-2010, 07:48 PM
Can we get a map list?

A Nipple
04-10-2010, 10:13 PM
So since JC died the only game we have this week is with BB.

its week after this weekend 18th non? thats what we were hoping =/ sorry bout all the confusion we will bring extra cake!

Kuja900
04-11-2010, 03:03 AM
Im going to assume JC forfeit because they disbanded, however I need to resched with ## as my modem has died and I am currently living off pirated internet for the old couple next door which isnt capable of running altitude.

Smushface
04-11-2010, 03:43 PM
Uh. Map pool?

Evan20000
04-11-2010, 03:46 PM
I think Evil died...

X_denied
04-11-2010, 04:15 PM
map pool.... is GONNNEEEE... lol

A Nipple
04-11-2010, 04:18 PM
CORE, LOCOMOTION, fALLOUT =/???

Loli.ta
04-11-2010, 04:32 PM
Oh joy, the activity of this game and it's league. Simply brilliant. :D

Tosconi
04-11-2010, 04:39 PM
lol matches starting in an hour and we still don't know the map pool - sweet :D

we haven't played justice, middleground and eeeeh hills:D yet...

andy
04-11-2010, 04:46 PM
hills isnt in the pool, i guess storm posted the map pool on the registration thread somewhere before the league started..

Loli.ta
04-11-2010, 04:47 PM
Make up our own. Do it.
Justice/Justice/Justice

Tosconi
04-11-2010, 05:00 PM
Andy
I know hills's not in the pool ;)
Evil posted the pool only for the first 4 weeks.

The complete mappool: Mayhem, Core, Woods, Lost City, Middleground, Cave, Asteroids, Grotto, Locomotion, Heights, Fallout, Justice, Focus

I say -
week 5 - Justice, Middleground + 1st map from week 1 (Justice, Middleground, Asteroids)
week 6 - 1 map from week 2,3 + 2 map from week 4 (Cave, Core, Woods)
week 7 - 2 map from week 2,3 + 1 map from week 4 (Lost City, Fallout, Grotto)
week 8 - 3 map from week 2,3 + 2 map from week 1 (Meyhem, Focus, Locomotion)

this way maps don't repeat.

or let's simply play the map pool of week 1 (this leaves Justice and Middleground aside - but who would care ;) )

Stormich
04-11-2010, 05:17 PM
I made the map pool considering we were only gonna have 4 weeks of games, since it was decided to do 8 weeks we haven't compesated. I don't know if Evil will get here before the games. If he doesn't show just use the map pool from the 1st week.

Tosconi
04-11-2010, 05:20 PM
ok good to know.

to be honest I find it weird, that we had a map pool of 13 maps for 4 weeks (why not 12?) - and we still haven't played 2 maps, while playing two of them 2 times.

Stormich
04-11-2010, 05:35 PM
Evil's map pool is just random, I threw out a couple of maps cause they either take forever to play (mid) or aren't polished for play yet (justice)

Tosconi
04-11-2010, 05:37 PM
I know how things are done here...and well everywhere :P - one think something out and then everyone accept it as something well established lol :D

tomato man
04-11-2010, 08:09 PM
TODAY FLB dont have 5 players, and gameguard ask to reshedule at 2 pm est,(when we have to play), and i ask that they have to ask it earlier, so they lost 2-0 for Q

Tosconi
04-11-2010, 08:20 PM
Well unfortunately I have to say, that FN didn't show up in the scheduled time :(

we played for fun an hour later (only 1 map, which we won)...but well I guess we have a team less now...

Kuja900
04-11-2010, 08:48 PM
TODAY FLB dont have 5 players, and gameguard ask to reshedule at 2 pm est,(when we have to play), and i ask that they have to ask it earlier, so they lost 2-0 for Q

Hi we did ask earlier check the thread. My modem is dead and im out of commission for 2 days until I can get that fixed, im pirating the couple next doors net.

Kuja900
04-11-2010, 08:51 PM
Im going to assume JC forfeit because they disbanded, however I need to resched with ## as my modem has died and I am currently living off pirated internet for the old couple next door which isnt capable of running altitude.

Yeah here it is tomato.

Tosconi
04-11-2010, 08:55 PM
although it is of my (dw's) high interest, that ## actually lost that match - but well this really doesn't seem like a reschedule proposal. Posting something in the middle of nowhere is far from really rescheduling the match (which is done by a direct message in the clan's thread or by PM).

tomato man
04-11-2010, 08:55 PM
Yeah here it is tomato.

dude if u wanna reschedule, u have to send me a PM or write it on MY THREAD, and i see u i the game 1-2 days ago, why u dont tell me that flb wanna reschedule??

srry bad english

Kuja900
04-11-2010, 09:00 PM
dude if u wanna reschedule, u have to send me a PM or write it on MY THREAD, and i see u i the game 1-2 days ago, why u dont tell me that flb wanna reschedule??

srry bad english

Because I wasnt aware at the time my modem was going to explode making me unable to play Altitude. And I fail to see writing a post in that weeks league thread isn't an adequate means of communication for rescheduling a game.

tomato man
04-11-2010, 09:02 PM
Because I wasnt aware at the time my modem was going to explode making me unable to play Altitude. And I fail to see writing a post in that weeks league thread isn't an adequate means of communication for rescheduling a game.

no ,because an "adequate and easy means of communication" is send me a PM, and ask to reshedule, because i dont see newpost everyday, but i read my notifications everyday.

Kuja900
04-11-2010, 09:04 PM
no ,because an "adequate and easy means of communication" is send me a PM, and ask to reshedule, because i dont see newpost everyday, but i read my notifications everyday.

Listen im sure anyone and everyone else will agree that posting a request for a resched in that weeks league sched is a sufficient effort to communicate. PM me about details for the resched, I need to see when I can get my modem fixed but It may be a day or two.

A Nipple
04-11-2010, 09:04 PM
Bb 2 - 1 L*
bb 2 - 0 ball

Tosconi
04-11-2010, 09:08 PM
seriously? 2-1 vs Lobstars? not bad. Gratz

number 3
04-11-2010, 09:37 PM
we went 2-1 L*. we lost but we let them have it, of course that was a while ago

BoboTheTiny
04-11-2010, 09:54 PM
HELL YEA. Sorry I missed it, had work. Good job Bb.

BoboTheTiny
04-11-2010, 09:56 PM
;45375']ACE and fLb aren't this season's definitive top two teams. In my opinion the big time playoff games are the ones between ACE, sammich, lobstars, and fLb.

Bb beat Lobstars 2-1.

Don't count Bb out of it.

A Nipple
04-11-2010, 10:20 PM
Bb beat Lobstars 2-1.

Don't count Bb out of it.

silence tiny remain humble lol! gg's L* =D

[Y]
04-11-2010, 10:30 PM
IL beat Bb, L* beat IL

can't use one time results to compare team skill

BoboTheTiny
04-11-2010, 10:40 PM
Il beat Bb? Wasn't there for that one, or I must have forgot. Meh, I want a log of scores so far, see where we stand -

The one and only TINY

Pieface
04-11-2010, 10:41 PM
Il beat Bb? Wasn't there for that one, or I must have forgot. Meh, I want a log of scores so far, see where we stand

http://nimblygames.com/wiki/index.php?title=Proleague_2010_(Season_3)#Standing s

DiogenesDog
04-11-2010, 11:04 PM
ggs BB

much as I would have preferred to win, I will say this: this season has been pretty damn interesting. really curious to see how the playoffs are going to go down.

BoboTheTiny
04-11-2010, 11:32 PM
http://nimblygames.com/wiki/index.php?title=Proleague_2010_(Season_3)#Standing s

Thanks Pieface.

See? looks like we didn't lose eh ----

A Nipple
04-11-2010, 11:37 PM
so klf beat L* 2-0 lol gg guys! WE WILL CONQUER...who said that =]

nipnip

mled
04-11-2010, 11:38 PM
Kings live forever-2 l*-0

oh edit just saw nips sry

classicallad
04-11-2010, 11:40 PM
errr what nipnip said really,

KLF>L* 2-0

gg's

Pieface
04-11-2010, 11:55 PM
Wiki standings are updated with the new match results and the games people played against FN invalidated.

Scores I still need:

- Week 3: ACE vs. fLb
- Week 4: BB vs. Sammich
- Week 5: ## vs. fLb, Ball vs. Lobstars

A Nipple
04-12-2010, 12:15 AM
;46320']IL beat Bb, L* beat IL

can't use one time results to compare team skill

tbh IL didn't even play our best team, in fact some are inactive from that team u played and it wasn't even a scrim just a random match lol!

A Nipple
04-12-2010, 12:16 AM
Wiki standings are updated with the new match results and the games people played against FN invalidated.

Scores I still need:

- Week 3: ACE vs. fLb
- Week 4: BB vs. Sammich
- Week 5: ## vs. fLb, Ball vs. Lobstars

bb play sami next week just waiting on confirmation =]

DMCM
04-12-2010, 12:19 AM
Wiki standings are updated with the new match results and the games people played against FN invalidated.

Scores I still need:

- Week 3: ACE vs. fLb
- Week 4: BB vs. Sammich
- Week 5: ## vs. fLb, Ball vs. Lobstars

week 5:

L* 2-0 ball

BoboTheTiny
04-12-2010, 12:21 AM
Wiki standings are updated with the new match results and the games people played against FN invalidated.

Scores I still need:

- Week 3: ACE vs. fLb
- Week 4: BB vs. Sammich
- Week 5: ## vs. fLb, Ball vs. Lobstars

Why would games played against FN be invalidated? Just because they dropped out late in the league, doesn't mean games previous shouldn't count... anyone else see anything wrong with this?

A Nipple
04-12-2010, 12:23 AM
Why would games played against FN be invalidated? Just because they dropped out late in the league, doesn't mean games previous shouldn't count... anyone else see anything wrong with this?

does seem strange, however, i recognise that other teams who did not get to play them therefore do not get points hence table becomes uneven! somin like that lol

DMCM
04-12-2010, 12:24 AM
Why would games played against FN be invalidated? Just because they dropped out late in the league, doesn't mean games previous shouldn't count... anyone else see anything wrong with this?

Either we will all get a forfeit win from them or all results agaisnt them will be invalidated. Doesn't matter which, it's just 1 less or 1 more win for everyone else, but either way it's fair.

DMCM
04-12-2010, 12:26 AM
It's not strange. For example, we beat JC 5v5 fair and square but unfortunately they dropped out so that result won't count.However, it won't count for everyone else either, whether they played them yet or not, so we lose nothing.

BoboTheTiny
04-12-2010, 12:44 AM
Its very strange! We are letting the teams that dropped out direct the course of the league! Thats a bit ridiculous. Hell its almost like rewarding a rage quit. The teams that lost to FN should take the loss, as the teams that won should take the win.

nesnl
04-12-2010, 12:51 AM
Its very strange! We are letting the teams that dropped out direct the course of the league! Thats a bit ridiculous. Hell its almost like rewarding a rage quit. The teams that lost to FN should take the loss, as the teams that won should take the win.

The reason is because the goal of the league is to have each team play every other team once. If you were able to retain results from teams that dropped out those teams would gain an unfair advantage or be unfairly penalized. This is because you would be able to get more wins than is possible for another team.

BoboTheTiny
04-12-2010, 12:58 AM
I see your point.

But still very frustrating, as Bb dropped in rank because of a possible clan rage quit.

Herodadotus
04-12-2010, 01:44 AM
Wait, RIP is rescheduling with FN. Why are they considered out? Did DW decide to not reschedule?

combat
04-12-2010, 02:09 AM
The reason is because the goal of the league is to have each team play every other team once. If you were able to retain results from teams that dropped out those teams would gain an unfair advantage or be unfairly penalized. This is because you would be able to get more wins than is possible for another team.

Wait, I'm still confused here, if IL (or any team) beat FN beforethey dropped out, why isn't that win still being counted. Thats basically penalizing a team because they other team quit.

Really FN? You guys just... no...

Pieface
04-12-2010, 02:17 AM
Let me try to clarify things a bit:

Not everyone gets to play certain teams before they drop out. For example, several teams beat FN and JC fair and square before they were disqualified. In a perfect world the teams who beat them in a 5v5 game would get those points counted for them.

However, some other teams never got to play the teams before they dropped out. If the points the other teams gained from them were counted, they'd have an unfair advantage over the other teams that might have been able to beat them and accumulate some points if they had the chance. Similarly, nobody knows whether the teams that didn't get the chance to beat them would even win.

So we have two choices: either give everyone a forfeit-win or invalidate the points. Either way, the teams are in equal stead and you can then actually compare the accumulated points of all active teams. I decided to simply not count the wins as it would be less confusing.

As for the FN vs. RIP game, feel free to reschedule and play it if you want. I'm pretty sure FN is disqualified after this week no matter what as they never rescheduled their match against DW, so it was counted as a forfeit. So while you guys should feel free to play your game, the points won't get counted whether or not you win. I put FN down as a forfeit for that match since they won't be playing any more this league, but if you end up playing the game send me the results and I'll change it to reflect what happened.

combat
04-12-2010, 02:19 AM
Stupid logic, ruining my unfair advantage....

classicallad
04-12-2010, 02:50 AM
you know what pie is right, simple logic. Will Evil be addressing this soon?

Tosconi
04-12-2010, 02:55 AM
I still don't get it...what actually happened to L* today. They were really uber strong all of the last weeks.

[Y]
04-12-2010, 02:59 AM
Guess KLF and bongs were stronger this week.

A Nipple
04-12-2010, 03:00 AM
I still don't get it...what actually happened to L* today. They were really uber strong all of the last weeks.

i think bongs an klf were both pumped for a big team an L* were off form and out of practise! basically it really!

[FN]MONXY FIST
04-12-2010, 03:42 AM
I see your point.

But still very frustrating, as Bb dropped in rank because of a possible clan rage quit.

What did we rage at?

Stormich
04-12-2010, 07:48 AM
FN isn't out yet, they have rescheduled with RIP. They also have to play vs ACE. Also fLb vs ACE wasn't played out this week due to Kuja's modem dying but it will get played. Unfortunately this season has had a lot of bumps along the road, hopefully it will all pan out considering this just might be the last and as it is now the most competitive season of APL.

Evan20000
04-12-2010, 07:55 AM
Good to hear, Storm. I'm assuming we'll have our game sometime next Sunday.

Mandrad
04-12-2010, 11:01 AM
Hi we did ask earlier check the thread. My modem is dead and im out of commission for 2 days until I can get that fixed, im pirating the couple next doors net.

QUOTE <...> however I need to resched with ## as my modem has died and I am currently living off pirated internet for the old couple next door which isnt capable of running altitude

Hey Kuja,
This isnt asking. U had to speak directlyto a captain (or PM him like he wrote) or at least a member of ## and pass your team's will to postpone the match.
We dont like to win like this, no play no fun! - no learning and getting better. But we demand respect. We all fix our things to be able to get to the places.
I can tell u that, one hour before the supposed time (2pm), i had Apathy telling me the game is now, so communication got a "no show".
I dont know what will come out of this, and i wish we could get to play but, you sure should know better.
Im just sry for Gamegueard who showed up alone before a willing to play team to try a late reschedule.

Tosconi
04-12-2010, 11:38 AM
eeeh Storom, they have rescheduled RIP - but have not done it with DW. I'm very sorry - but rules should work the same for every clan.

andy
04-12-2010, 11:59 AM
i think its 2 no shows for DQ.

Tosconi
04-12-2010, 12:02 PM
i believe it's overall 4 no shows for DQ - this week was the 4th one.

botakhead
04-12-2010, 12:55 PM
QUOTE *The score between KLF and Bong's Bitches was 1:1 after the first two games, and the tiebreaker ended in the rare outcome of "mutual annihilation." This means that both teams destroyed the other team's base within a couple seconds of each other before the awards screen showed, and as such the game was counted as a tie. According to the official APL rules in the event of mutual annihilation when the teams have both won one game, one point will be awarded to each team.

Did anyone take the video for this match? It was epic really......
PS ~ Its important to note that BB destroyed KLF's base first......:p

A Nipple
04-12-2010, 01:53 PM
MONXY FIST;46398']What did we rage at?

monxy come back please, if you get sinstar back i will join to an recuirt splodets! i hate fn being so weak!

Stormich
04-12-2010, 01:59 PM
I don't really know how many no shows each team has, not really following since that's mostly Evil's job, I don't really much care myself since FN doesn't have a chance for playoffs. I'd just like them to at least have their last breath with dignity. Don't want them to be remembered as a noob team of no showers.

classicallad
04-12-2010, 02:28 PM
QUOTE *The score between KLF and Bong's Bitches was 1:1 after the first two games, and the tiebreaker ended in the rare outcome of "mutual annihilation." This means that both teams destroyed the other team's base within a couple seconds of each other before the awards screen showed, and as such the game was counted as a tie. According to the official APL rules in the event of mutual annihilation when the teams have both won one game, one point will be awarded to each team.

Did anyone take the video for this match? It was epic really......
PS ~ Its important to note that BB destroyed KLF's base first......:p

epic it was botak, not sure about your last note 0.o, we dominated, end of.

tomato man
04-12-2010, 05:55 PM
Listen im sure anyone and everyone else will agree that posting a request for a resched in that weeks league sched is a sufficient effort to communicate. PM me about details for the resched, I need to see when I can get my modem fixed but It may be a day or two.

dude, yesterday when we had to play, flb had only 2 players, and for me flb lost, because if u wana reschedule u have to talk me before a match, the rule are these.

-thnx tomato

A Nipple
04-12-2010, 06:04 PM
dude, yesterday when we had to play, flb had only 2 players, and for me flb lost, because if u wana reschedule u have to talk me before a match, the rule are these.

-thnx tomato

have respect, if you dont show rescedule its polite and what they did in the old days when altitude wasnt so fail and had cool pros!

Tosconi
04-12-2010, 06:10 PM
I fail to see, why there were absolutely no attempts to save FA, Dx, IB etc...and so many of them to reschedule these 2 matches. It's obvious FN failed and even if rescheduled won't get the players in all of the last few weeks. In spite of their glorious (well actually not), long lasting history - not showing is highly disrespectful to the opponent teams, since guys need to plan their sunday the way, they can get online, in stead of going somewhere or simply sleeping (in case of far east members). This is why not showing is punished with dq.

fLb is clearly going to the play offs. It is also clear not every possible attempt was made to reschedule the match prior to it. Why to argue...

and as said - I'd be on your side - if anyone would talk the same about the new teams - which simply weren't helped and were judged highly unflexible by the written rules.

BoboTheTiny
04-12-2010, 07:07 PM
MONXY FIST;46398']What did we rage at?

I'm not saying you did. I was showing that in a hypothetical situation, a losing team could rage quit to screw over any time that beat them.

Apathy
04-12-2010, 08:04 PM
I would like to apologize for not showing up. I was around, had altitude open, but didn't bother joining the server. Reasons where; not enough fLb on, also I thought the means kuja took to reschedule was adequate, i guess not. Oops, pwn ya'll next week.

Apa fighting !

Kuja900
04-12-2010, 08:37 PM
dude, yesterday when we had to play, flb had only 2 players, and for me flb lost, because if u wana reschedule u have to talk me before a match, the rule are these.

-thnx tomato

Hi I'm a league admin and I gave you notice in advance about our resched. This league isnt about free wins.

Tosconi
04-12-2010, 08:49 PM
eeh free wins? The league is for all about coming.

this line "however I need to resched with ##" - proposes no alternative times, isn't even directly meant to ##. Please just stop the trash talk - rules are equal for everyone.

mled
04-12-2010, 08:56 PM
YA the BB/KLF match was very EPIC i really want to see the match again if some1 had recorded it :D

Kuja900
04-12-2010, 09:16 PM
eeh free wins? The league is for all about coming.

this line "however I need to resched with ##" - proposes no alternative times, isn't even directly meant to ##. Please just stop the trash talk - rules are equal for everyone.

There is no trash talking going on what are you talking about lol? Rules are equal for everyone and I provided advance notice. With my broken modem and pirated net it takes my comp about 10min to post anything, and to avoid frustration I simply posted in the public thread. If your here to get free wins and not actually play other teams why are you here?

Rhyn0
04-12-2010, 09:17 PM
Hi I'm a league admin and I gave you notice in advance about our resched. This league isnt about free wins.

....
So you get to do whatever you want? I was one of those who told tomato to reschedule on the spot and then after when we talked about it but your comment here makes me do a 180...

Tosconi
04-12-2010, 09:20 PM
man - i know about your modem, that's too bad. I know how it feels (I personally won't have internet for 2 weeks due to moving), anyway - fLb as far as I understand is not only Kuja900, but also another 11 highly qualitative players in the APL roster.

Kuja900
04-12-2010, 09:23 PM
I am not violating any rules and I provided advance notice about my resched, I am not abusing my position in any way and I find it despicable that a team would rather pick up a free win as opposed to actually playing the game. And yes thats true Tosconi but I posted notice of a resched.

nobodyhome
04-12-2010, 09:40 PM
Actually, the rules do state sometime about rescheduling. Not to say that rules are always hard inflexible rules, but it is wrong to say that you "did not break any rules".

From here: http://altitudegame.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2607



Match Scheduling After the Deadline Day
Teams are NOT allowed to schedule or play their matches after the match deadline day without explicit permission from an admin. Teams that require an extension to their match deadline day, should contact an admin no later than 4 days (Wednesday) prior to the official deadline day of the match. Permissions are given by on a per-case basis.

Match Rescheduling

Teams may reschedule a match date and time before the scheduling deadline day by contacting an admin. After the scheduling deadline day has passed, teams CANNOT reschedule their match.

Any event match where a team receives a forfeit win will AUTOMATICALLY be rescheduled.

Tosconi
04-12-2010, 09:51 PM
well as you say man. I still feel there are two problem points. 1st of all not every instrument of communication was used to actually reach the other team (they surely didn't read this note). 2nd - trying to reschedule the match 10 hours prior to the actual match...well...i just say - there should be a rule for this.

I feel the rules should be elaborated and provide a dispute settlement provisions, because now it is really not clear who is actually in charge to decide.

Kuja900
04-12-2010, 09:58 PM
There were unforeseeable circumstances in this case with my modem dying, I posted notice immediately after I realized this had happened on my phone. There are no rules regarding "every instrument of communication", using every instrument would be pming every member of their team and in every applicable thread. As I am quite disabled atm it is difficult for me to send pms with this POS net that cuts out every few minutes and takes forever to load so I just posted in the forums.

Tosconi
04-12-2010, 10:00 PM
the question is - why didn't you simply told your team to come. As far as I understand - you mean, that you actually WOULD come if not the modem problem.

Kuja900
04-12-2010, 10:02 PM
I was unaware I could pirate the neighbors net until late Sunday, my communication was limited to my phone which takes a half hour to load the altitude forums :(.

Evan20000
04-12-2010, 10:22 PM
the question is - why didn't you simply told your team to come. As far as I understand - you mean, that you actually WOULD come if not the modem problem.

Check the fLb thread.

Also, we got on, saw no other bears on, assumed there was a reched and logged. This happened for everyone but Gameguard.

Pieface
04-12-2010, 10:29 PM
Since it seems that FN is rescheduling its games with DW and RIP I've added them back to the Wiki along with any points people have gained from them. Keep me updated with further changes and match results.

Edit: Since the Proleague site seems to be down I guess we'll have to check back later with the schedule for Week 6.

Tosconi
04-12-2010, 10:40 PM
DeathWeeds never said we were going to reschedule the match.
1. We've waited long enough last sunday (we had 9 DW members waiting)
2. Noone talked to us about rescheduling (nor prior to the match, neither during or after the match)
3. DW has 3 matches to play next week.
4. certain FN members are steadily assaulting various DW members, which makes us unwilling to cooperate.

Pieface
04-12-2010, 10:45 PM
In that case I await news from Evil, Stormich, or other big league admins as to how to continue from here.

Technically speaking FN should be out. However, Stormich has voiced his viewpoint that they should be allowed to go out with dignity. We all love hurri and his crew, but it might be time to accept that they won't be able to show up for matches and everything would be easier if they dropped out.

Kuja900
04-12-2010, 10:52 PM
In that case I await news from Evil, Stormich, or other big league admins as to how to continue from here.

Technically speaking FN should be out. However, Stormich has voiced his viewpoint that they should be allowed to go out with dignity. We all love hurri and his crew, but it might be time to accept that they won't be able to show up for matches and everything would be easier if they dropped out.

Evil will probably be the one to make the call on this

York
04-12-2010, 11:21 PM
i cant beleive KLF beat L*.......wow

Mandrad
04-12-2010, 11:48 PM
Hi I'm a league admin and I gave you notice in advance about our resched. This league isnt about free wins.

Really hard to understand the atitude!
When theres a deadline, we cant leave the other side speaking to the air. And we take responsability for what comes from our acts. Especially when were leaders, like u are.
One thing is a free win and other thing is respect.
I speak for myself, for im just a ## member, and i dont feel our team was respected as much as i dont feel your doing anything to deserve our apologies.
When i cant make to an apointment i ask to resched, i dont notice a resched somewhere. U know the rules, but u just had to tell one of your guys to ask one of ours to communicate that wish to our captain.
Who are you? Next week i want to resched whoever, because i went lucky and met 3 ultra wow swede girls, my modem will be busy for sure!!! Whats the problem with u? I think you have a team not a one man show!
I really wish we could resched and win or loose with dignity but you surely did nothing to deserve our respect.
You're an important community member - the bigger the responsability - act like you should!

Kuja900
04-13-2010, 12:00 AM
Ok its clear english is not your first language and I can barely understand your post but im going to try to reply to what I can comprehend. I did not leave you "speaking to air" I made a post about a resched in the weeks official APL thread and another post in our teams clan forums. I had no ability to log in and my only form of communication was my phone which takes a half hour to navigate anywhere on these forums and I was unfamiliar with your team and its members so I figured it would just be easier to post in the thread.

"Who are you? Next week i want to resched whoever, because i went lucky and met 3 ultra wow swede girls, my modem will be busy for sure!!! Whats the problem with u? I think you have a team not a one man show!"

They didn't show because I posted in my thread telling them the match was going to be rescheduled. If you honestly think for a minute were dodging you are very sorely mistaken as we have no reason to.

mled
04-13-2010, 12:52 AM
Kuja ur such a troll,

i mean literally.

who gives a poop about the things you concentrate on, I mean English isn't my first language as well, and proud of it!! at least im not an american scum that thinks she/he is and knows more then everyone else. (no offence to americans i know some and their real nice people!) ( and I know spelling is important but if I can understand what a person is trying to say, so can you a person who i only assume, english is her/his first language

AND don't say "i was just pointing out a fact" because your getting annoying.

[FN]MONXY FIST
04-13-2010, 01:12 AM
Kuja ur such a troll,

i mean literally.

who gives a poop about the things you concentrate on, I mean English isn't my first language as well, and proud of it!! at least im not an american scum that thinks she/he is and knows more then everyone else. (no offence to americans i know some and their real nice people!) ( and I know spelling is important but if I can understand what a person is trying to say, so can you a person who i only assume, english is her/his first language

AND don't say "i was just pointing out a fact" because your getting annoying.

I see what you did there, when you said American scum you actually meant Australian scum.

mled
04-13-2010, 01:41 AM
MONXY FIST;46649']I see what you did there, when you said American scum you actually meant Australian scum.


what? why? i just confused me australians r the **** lol i have this guy in my english class and he's the coolest man :D love them

[Y]
04-13-2010, 01:43 AM
You guys should hear Beagle on mumble.

Funny as hell.

Tosconi
04-13-2010, 01:51 AM
it seems now such a long League was a bad idea in the end. Too many teams drop out, too many players lose interest in playing :/

Mandrad
04-13-2010, 10:19 AM
Ok its clear english is not your first language and I can barely understand your post but im going to try to reply to what I can comprehend. ... so I figured it would just be easier to post in the thread.
... If you honestly think for a minute were dodging you are very sorely mistaken as we have no reason to.

I know my english is the best, but i now also know, that you dont want to understand... when one cant read, doesnt maters if the other cant write.
Obviously english aint my first, and obviously we aint speaking the same language.

If you couldnt do it, why didnt you asked someone on your team to do it for you?
Where did your last sentence came from? That was particularly sad!

Im off this topic now.
Sry for my english.

Stormich
04-13-2010, 11:30 AM
Stop fighting in this thread, use PMs. As to the topic, Kuja probably should have posted in ##'s thread and ## is right to choose not to play, it just seems like a lame thing to do since you're just trying to get a free win cause you know what you're chances are. I can't force ## to play if they don't want to but I can mention that you're unwillingness to reschedule might make others do the same thing to you if you needed the reschedule.

Also adding as of now I'm taking the lead of the league cause Evil has been busy lately, if and when he returns he gets the league back :) I'll be posting the schedule for next week when i see what's what.

This is gonna be a huge clusterf*** since Evil mixed it up everywhere lol

Rhyn0
04-13-2010, 12:13 PM
. I can't force ## to play if they don't want to but I can mention that you're unwillingness to reschedule might make others do the same thing to you if you needed the reschedule.


As i understood it from tomato, we lost 2 or 3 matches because other teams forced the game when we had only 4 people playing.. so "unwillingness" is allready here, too late to try to put it back in it's box.
I for one i'm looking forward to a flb vs ## match, be it this one or another. ( i had been awake 27 hrs just to play flb on sunday, btw)

Cheers and have a good day!

A Nipple
04-13-2010, 04:54 PM
Dear altitude stop arguing!

low
04-13-2010, 05:15 PM
2. Noone talked to us about rescheduling (nor prior to the match, neither during or after the match)


I talked to hurri about rescheduling after the match , when all the other DWs already left. I thought that's what we'd like to do, so i told him to PM you and set the date. Sorry if I was wrong. Still believe we should play.

Tosconi
04-13-2010, 05:23 PM
ok man, didn't know about it.

Kuja900
04-13-2010, 05:53 PM
For the record im not invoking any admin privelidges in this matter ( fLb/##) as I am in a biased position.

BoboTheTiny
04-13-2010, 07:05 PM
;46655']You guys should hear Beagle on mumble.

Funny as hell.

You should hear Hurri on mumble.

Funny as hell.

Mr.OneTwo
04-16-2010, 07:18 PM
In my opinion, we should reschedule our match
Anyway, as Mandrad already said, fLb was not polite at all, I mean Kuja was like "THIS MATCH WILL BE RESCHEDULED" (<---- you cannot decide things like this) as it's our fault if you didn't show up. You should've PMd tomato. You didn't. Your error.
I didn't feel fine when Tomato decided not to reschedule as I really wanted to play a team like fLb (we won't obv win the league, but maybe if we played well our match vs fLb, it would have already been a very good thing) but we lost matches 4 vs 5 (yes, our fault if we didn't show up). Anyway, my ideas changed since:
Hi I'm a league admin and I gave you notice in advance about our resched. This league isnt about free wins.

That's ARROGANCE.

Evan20000
04-16-2010, 07:45 PM
You still on about that, ##?

Kuja900
04-16-2010, 09:30 PM
I was typing on my cell didn't really articulate that as well as I could have. I stated my status as an admin because I was trying to stress that I had intimate knowledge of the purpose of the league, which is to get teams high quality games. I later made it clear im not going to abuse my status in this biased position and the choice is yours whether to accept a pointless free win or play an actual game.

Mr.OneTwo
04-17-2010, 08:02 AM
I was typing on my cell didn't really articulate that as well as I could have. I stated my status as an admin because I was trying to stress that I had intimate knowledge of the purpose of the league, which is to get teams high quality games. I later made it clear im not going to abuse my status in this biased position and the choice is yours whether to accept a pointless free win or play an actual game.


That's not polite anyway.