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Stormich
04-19-2010, 07:05 AM
WEEK 7
APL Server #1
1:00 PM EST DW vs. RIP
2:00 PM EST DW vs. KLF
3:00 PM EST fLb vs. ball
4:00 PM EST ball vs. ACE

APL Server #2
1:00 PM EST ball vs. IL
2:00 PM EST RIP vs. BB
3:00 PM EST ACE vs. KLF
4:00 PM EST fLb vs. BB

APL Server #3
1:00 PM EST
2:00 PM EST FN vs. ACE
3:00 PM EST FN vs. L*
4:00 PM EST FN vs. (II)

APL Server #4
1:00 PM EST
2:00 PM EST ## vs. (II)
3:00 PM EST DW vs. (II)
4:00 PM EST L* vs. RIP

Maps: Middleground/Asteroids/Fallout

Yes I know I have roids again, but I didn't have the heart to put Core and Mid (which is back by popular demand) in the same week :D

As usual let me know if I made any mistakes or if you played any of the matches i scheduled before.

EDIT: Bold matches are if we decide to play all the games this week to get the playoffs started.

mikesol
04-19-2010, 07:30 AM
Did ## drop out of the tourney? I'm pretty sure we still need to play them.

matattack
04-19-2010, 07:31 AM
yea..and did we ever play DW? i dont remember.. :confused:

X_denied
04-19-2010, 07:33 AM
what teams are left in tourney?....

FN/flb/||/RIP// ? ? ? ?

Stormich
04-19-2010, 07:50 AM
Do you not see the list Deni? lol Also yes, you do have to play ## but they only have 1 game left so I decided to prolong it to last week. If people want we can try to power through all of it this week, I have 6 matches left on my list

DW vs (II)
## vs (II)
fLb vs BB
ball vs IL
L vs RIP
ACE vs FN

I guess we could try to fit it all on sunday? What are your thoughts guys?

andy
04-19-2010, 08:59 AM
get it done this week it will only make it 2-3 matches for every team.. so we can start the playoffs! thanks for not putting core and middleground on the same day.

EDIT: but sammich would have 3 matches plus the reschedule of flb so i guess its their call..

Stormich
04-19-2010, 09:56 AM
ACE has 2 reschedules + possibly 3 games lol. Too many people are calling for reschedules. It's effing normal times for both euros and americans. Only the people living in Russia/Asia could have problems.

tyr
04-19-2010, 10:21 AM
From the previous weeks, we still have to play against :
## (we'll play this sunday, no problem there.)
FN (i hear they were dropped out of the tourney)
fLb (if we don't play you this sunday let's just DQ you, I havent heard any good reason to resched in the past 2 weeks)

Stormich
04-19-2010, 10:31 AM
So is that a vote to just plow through to the Playoffs after this sunday? If this happens every match not played is required to played by next monday morning, everyone that hasn't rescheduled by then will get losses. Top 8 advance to the playoffs which will be single elimination BO3 until the finals which are gonna be BO5.

EDIT: Guess I'm gonna add it here since the other thread is from last week. Anyway ACE adding eth instead of bob
EDIT2: It's not FN who didn't show up to the ball game afaik, I know FN players were looking for ball people and Nikon didn't have a team so I think it's FN who took the WO win (letting Pie know)

Tosconi
04-19-2010, 11:50 AM
maybe I'm mistaken - but I saw 4 ball players online playing 3 FN members yesterday.

[Y]
04-19-2010, 01:07 PM
maybe I'm mistaken - but I saw 4 ball players online playing 3 FN members yesterday.
^^^ Truth10char

mikesol
04-19-2010, 02:32 PM
I'd really prefer not to play 4 hours of games this Sunday. That's just too much altitude on one day considering I have finals coming up. =/

Stormich
04-19-2010, 04:20 PM
I check the calendar and I'd prefer if we could do it this way, oh and also not like Sammich is gonna get raped if you sit out to rest for a couple of games, you have a pretty killer lineup even if you chillax a bit :D

andy
04-19-2010, 05:01 PM
Top 8 advance to the playoffs which will be single elimination BO3 until the finals which are gonna be BO5.

do we even have 8 active teams?

EDIT: oh wow we have 12 active teams...

so it will be single elimination and not double like last year?

Stormich
04-19-2010, 05:06 PM
Yes, I'm trying to get it over by May 9th, we'll see if that's possible. I'm gonna have a jamp packed schedule from May 15th onward so I'm trying to push this a bit. I know if we push this sunday is gonna be hectic, but after that each team that advances only has potentionally 3 games til the end.

EDIT: And yes, double elim just takes too long and it doesn't really bring much to the table

Mr.OneTwo
04-19-2010, 05:07 PM
## ALIVE AND PLAYING! We'll be ready.

A Nipple
04-19-2010, 09:00 PM
So is that a vote to just plow through to the Playoffs after this sunday? If this happens every match not played is required to played by next monday morning, everyone that hasn't rescheduled by then will get losses. Top 8 advance to the playoffs which will be single elimination BO3 until the finals which are gonna be BO5.

EDIT: Guess I'm gonna add it here since the other thread is from last week. Anyway ACE adding eth instead of bob
EDIT2: It's not FN who didn't show up to the ball game afaik, I know FN players were looking for ball people and Nikon didn't have a team so I think it's FN who took the WO win (letting Pie know)


so can i ask will the higher teams on this table play the lower ones?? only cannot have sammich playing in first playoff obv haha!

anyway nipnip

Stormich
04-20-2010, 07:21 AM
First meets last, second meets second to last, etc.

A Nipple
04-20-2010, 01:13 PM
would it not be more intresting if 1st met 5th 2nd met 6th 3rd met 7th etc! it closes the skill gap!! just seems to make things more intresting =/

Smushface
04-20-2010, 03:41 PM
Nip, that would mean that 1st place would not be the ideal position to be in going into the playoffs.

andy
04-20-2010, 04:03 PM
would it not be more intresting if 1st met 5th 2nd met 6th 3rd met 7th etc! it closes the skill gap!! just seems to make things more intresting =/

Nice Try..

mikesol
04-20-2010, 04:46 PM
Heh the whole point of the pre-season is to set up for the playoffs. It wouldn't make sense if a team was in first place before the playoffs but got the worst spot in the playoffs.

I think it looks something like:

1 plays 8
3 plays 6

4 plays 5
2 plays 7


winner match 1 plays winner match 2
winner match 3 plays winner match 4

winners above play each other.

This is designed so first and second place teams don't knock each other out early on which would be lame.

Stormich
04-20-2010, 05:29 PM
Exactly as Mike said, the idea is to not let 1st and 2nd cross paths until finals, assuming that 1st and 2nd make it to the finals :)

Bring it Sammich!

York
04-20-2010, 07:59 PM
where can i find all the results form each week in one spot? wiki?

A Nipple
04-21-2010, 11:50 AM
its ok we dont mind if ACE get knocked out early by sammich...lol

but yes i see

andy
04-21-2010, 12:37 PM
assuming that team 1>team 2>team 3>team 4 and so on...

i think that this way makes arriving 4th better than arriving 3rd :

1 v 8
3 v 6

4 v 5
2 v 7

hypothetical semis would be:

1 v 3 and 4 v 2 making it much more difficult for number 3 to get to the final.

i think double elimination after semifinals would be better, it would just be 2 more games.

Stormich
04-21-2010, 02:05 PM
You don't get the playoff system, top 2 teams deserve to have an easier time getting to the playoffs, the lower you are the harder it is. You had all season long to place in top positions, failing to do so leaves you in a tougher position. It's pretty standard. And no, double elim doesn't bring anything except a prolonged league. TBH everyone knows that Sammich and ACE have like a 90% chance of meeting in the finals and no ammount of double elims will save people :D

X_denied
04-21-2010, 02:56 PM
you don't get the playoff system, top 2 teams deserve to have an easier time getting to the playoffs, the lower you are the harder it is. You had all season long to place in top positions, failing to do so leaves you in a tougher position. It's pretty standard. And no, double elim doesn't bring anything except a prolonged league. Tbh everyone knows that sammich and ace have like a 90% chance of meeting in the finals and no ammount of double elims will save people :d

gooo sammiessss

Pieface
04-21-2010, 07:05 PM
I think what he was trying to say was that the brackets should be organized as follows:

1v8
4v5

2v7
3v6

In which case I agree, as this gives the third place team more of a chance of making it past the semifinals than the fourth place team.

andy
04-21-2010, 07:11 PM
yeah.. that was one of the points i was trying to get through.. also double elimination adds, if you think about the last apl where one team came back from the losers bracket.. and it gives you the opportunity to play the second best team if you lose against the first best. otherwise if its so obvious that the final will be ACE vs (||) why bother with playoffs? i was just considering double elim from semifinals so 2 matches but if its too much then dont do it, but consider doing the brackets like pie said since at least it gives the opportunity to the third to face the second best team and not the first.. sorry if i missed something or if you dont get it but i rushed it a bit, i might edit it later if it doesnt make sense at all..

A Nipple
04-21-2010, 08:14 PM
yea have to agree, however, people could loose matches in hope to get 4th place and more chance of semis...lawl! another good idea, is to do a random pick but do not allow top 4 teams play each other so you have a pot on your left of top 4 and pot on right of bottom four, pick one from left and one from right, they play each other! this eliminates any teams specifically trying to loose and manipulating results! I know people might think the person who picks would cheat, but i think a mediator would be good, personally i think mike would be good, OR two could do it so one person rights bottom four (with a RANDOM number) so they call the number over msn and other person does not know who the team behind the number is) anyway just some ideas!

nipnip

drunkguava
04-21-2010, 09:56 PM
Yeah, Andy/Pieface's bracket is correct. That is how playoffs are always done if you look at major sporting events.

York
04-22-2010, 10:18 PM
i know yall may not belive me but i have run many tournaments, in real life.

in de, best way to do it, that i have seen is:

1v8
4v5

3v6
2v7

this way, even if 3 cant beat 2, they can beat 4 in the looser bracket and then have a chance at 2 again, presuming that the better seed wins

evilarsenal
04-23-2010, 04:59 AM
its single elimination, i dont understand all this talk aboutdouble elim

A Nipple
04-23-2010, 02:05 PM
its single elimination, i dont understand all this talk aboutdouble elim

evils alive!!

tomato man
04-24-2010, 08:25 PM
we won vs DW

## 2 - 1 DW
THNX,CYA

tyr
04-25-2010, 03:34 AM
Theres so much good SC2 to watch tomorrow.
Zotac, HDH, Triple Strike Cup

I don't want to play alty :(

GGQ
04-25-2010, 03:58 AM
Theres so much good SC2 to watch tomorrow.
Zotac, HDH, Triple Strike Cup

I don't want to play alty :(

Do it, Tyr! You must!

also, I wont be there because of family obligations, gl though!

evilarsenal
04-25-2010, 07:47 AM
ggq's family is hosting a sc2 lan and are initiating his little brother into the family, he's gonna play protoss

Stormich
04-25-2010, 09:39 AM
Tyr we're gonna have to make subs if we get people so we can switch people in and out so that you sc2 fags can watch a bit. :D I'd watch ZOTAC too but I have to win some altitude.

CCN
04-25-2010, 12:20 PM
Is there a thread in Tl or something with the casted livestream info of these 3 tournies?
Thx

Stormich
04-25-2010, 12:29 PM
Just go to TL, you have the times of the tourney on the right sidebar and you have info in the sc2 tourneys section

[Y]
04-25-2010, 04:16 PM
I bet sc2gg is going to be livecasting it... =D

tyr
04-25-2010, 04:41 PM
They probably will, as well as 50 other casters not from sc2gg

Stormich
04-25-2010, 06:20 PM
Make sure to have games played at the latest tomorrow. If the games aren't played the team that asked for the reschedule will be appointed a loss.

Stormich
04-25-2010, 06:36 PM
I'm going to try and update the scores here as the games get played :)

1:00 PM EST DW vs. RIP 2-0
2:00 PM EST DW vs. KLF 0-2
3:00 PM EST fLb vs. ball 2-0
4:00 PM EST ball vs. ACE 1-2

APL Server #2
1:00 PM EST ball vs. IL 0-2
2:00 PM EST RIP vs. BB 2-0
3:00 PM EST ACE vs. KLF 2-0
4:00 PM EST fLb vs. BB resched for tomorrow possibly

APL Server #3
1:00 PM EST
2:00 PM EST FN vs. ACE WO
3:00 PM EST FN vs. L* WO
4:00 PM EST FN vs. (II) WO

APL Server #4
1:00 PM EST
2:00 PM EST ## vs. (II) WO
3:00 PM EST DW vs. (II) 0-2
4:00 PM EST L* vs. RIP WO


ACE vs fLb 0-2
ACE vs ## WO
fLb vs KLF 2-1


This means FN is out of the league.

Pieface you need to make it a bit clearer what does "clan name"=NS mean, cause atm ## is on the brink of being kicked out and I'm not sure what I'm looking at lol

Flight 666
04-25-2010, 07:14 PM
Iron Legends Results

IL>Ball 2-0

Tosconi
04-25-2010, 07:27 PM
I'm just curious - why did actually Luudl play yesterday for ## vs DW? He's not in ##'s roster list... :/ - it's kinda contradicting the rules.

wolf'j'max
04-25-2010, 08:21 PM
Oohhh fLb won 2-0 from ACE? Good to hear fLb is back in bussiness. Go faggies!

*listens to iron maiden*

Stormich
04-25-2010, 08:21 PM
That was your job to report, I can't follow all the matches and teams.

Tosconi
04-25-2010, 08:24 PM
this is my job - i'm reporting now

I moved flats and don't have an internet access at home...so i'm sitting in an internet cafe and reporting.

X_denied
04-25-2010, 08:25 PM
2-0 sammich vs dw

tyr
04-25-2010, 08:55 PM
Oohhh fLb won 2-0 from ACE? Good to hear fLb is back in bussiness. Go faggies!

*listens to iron maiden*

Not really, we played terrible and made more mistakes than they did, which is why they won.
Any team probably would have beat us.

We're leaving the league after this week, no matter what the results are.
Almost nobody in the team wants to play altitude at the moment so I don't see why we're forcing ourselves.

GGQ
04-25-2010, 09:02 PM
ugh let's not get all emo, we can at least finish the season. playoffs is all that counts anyways

Esoteric
04-25-2010, 09:19 PM
L* v FN 2-0 Forfeit win.
L* v RIP 2-0 Forfeit win.
Screenies upon request.

X_denied
04-25-2010, 09:21 PM
2-0 FN forfeit

X_denied
04-25-2010, 09:31 PM
2-1 (sammich) vs FLB

mikesol
04-25-2010, 09:31 PM
Sammich vs ## : 2-0 (no show)
Sammich vs DW: 2-0
Sammich vs FN: 2-0 (no show)
Sammich vs fLb: 2-1

Stormich
04-25-2010, 09:49 PM
this is my job - i'm reporting now

I moved flats and don't have an internet access at home...so i'm sitting in an internet cafe and reporting.

Do you have proof of Luudl playing? That is a screenshot?

wolf'j'max
04-25-2010, 10:18 PM
Not really, we played terrible and made more mistakes than they did, which is why they won.
Any team probably would have beat us.

We're leaving the league after this week, no matter what the results are.
Almost nobody in the team wants to play altitude at the moment so I don't see why we're forcing ourselves.

It aint fun to see a team such as ACE leave for some time. I hope you guys will check the forums from time to time so you can participate in the next APL :3

(storm, don't stop playing you metalhead >.<)

Pieface
04-25-2010, 10:34 PM
Thanks Storm for the scores. In the schedules, I listed it as "Team = NS" when one team didn't show, or "No Show" if neither team showed. The amounts of no shows are also listed in the final standings table at the end. You can find the final standings of all teams after the regular season here:
http://nimblygames.com/wiki/index.php?title=Proleague_2010_(Season_3)#Standing s

Games I still need to hear the results of (and how they will be counted if they aren't played by the end of tomorrow):

Week 6:

## vs. ACE (## wins unless played?)
fLb vs. KLF (KLF wins unless played?)

Week 7:

fLb vs. BB (BB wins unless played?)


Then of course there's the question of whether or not ## actually fielded someone who wasn't on their roster, and what to do if they did.

Let me know if I made any mistakes!

York
04-25-2010, 10:59 PM
fLb 2 > 1 KLF

Stormich
04-25-2010, 10:59 PM
It's all in my post Pie, check the results, everything is in except BB vs fLb which is still being played.

Stormich
04-25-2010, 11:36 PM
1. Sammich - Tag: (||) 33
2. Air Force ACE - Tag: ACE 28
3. Bong's Bitches - Tag: | 25
4. Lobstars - Tag: [L*] 24
5. Iron Legends - Tag: IL| 23
6. Kings Live Forever - Tag: KLF 20
7. Faggy Little Bears - Tag: [fLb] 17
8. Do Ut Des - Tag: ##| 15
9. Death Weeds - Tag: DW| 11
10. Ball - Tag: {ball} 8
11. RIP - Tag: RIP 0

These are the final standings of the teams that finished the league.

A Nipple
04-26-2010, 02:06 AM
bb 2-0 v rip

flb 2-1 bb

Mr.OneTwo
04-26-2010, 02:28 PM
We still have to play our match vs ACE... I'm waiting for tyr's answer on when we'll set up the game.

York
04-26-2010, 02:36 PM
1. Sammich - Tag: (||) 33
2. Air Force ACE - Tag: ACE 28
3. Bong's Bitches - Tag: | 25
4. Lobstars - Tag: [L*] 24
5. Iron Legends - Tag: IL| 23
6. Kings Live Forever - Tag: KLF 20
7. Faggy Little Bears - Tag: [fLb] 17
8. Do Ut Des - Tag: ##| 15
9. Death Weeds - Tag: DW| 11
10. Ball - Tag: {ball} 8
11. RIP - Tag: RIP 0

These are the final standings of the teams that finished the league.

(||) vs ##
ACE vs fLb
| vs KLF
L* vs IL

OR

(||) vs DW
| vs ##
L* vs fLb
IL vs KLF

ACE shouldnt drop out. It kinda messes up the bracket!

Stormich
04-26-2010, 03:46 PM
## game date was today, since you didn't get a reschedule you forfeit, same as any other games that haven't been played.

Tosconi
04-27-2010, 11:29 AM
why do I need a screen shot proof, if I have 12 witness, which may testify? Luddl himself can prove that....ridiculous. Anyway as I see, you're not willing to cooperate.

Mr.OneTwo
04-27-2010, 01:52 PM
WHAAAAT?

[QUOTE]## game date was today, since you didn't get a reschedule you forfeit, same as any other games that haven't been played[QUOTE]


It's ages I am waiting for tyr's answer about when to reschedule.... and now I get a forfeit? No sir, not correct.

tyr
04-27-2010, 08:49 PM
It was agreed since the beginning that we'd play sunday.

We had a match scheduled with FN at 2100
We showed up, FN didnt. Kuja (we repeatidly rescheduled the match with fLb since week 3, which is like more than a month ago) contacted me aproximately at that moment and asked me if we were available to play the match. I said yes, we played 20 minutes later.
The interesting point is, we were waiting in the server where Sammich was supposed to play with you at that moment. Mandrad was the only one from your team, Sammich waited 15 minutes and Mandrad was still the only player there. I told him we would be available the rest of the evening to play our match and that it wouldn't be a problem if your team was full. We then proceeded to play 3 matches : fLb, KLF and ball, even though I didnt participate in the match vs ball I was available to the rest of my team via IRC. None of my team mates contacted me for a possible game with you, which naturally led us think that you automatically forfeited all your games for the night because you didn't have enough players, as happened for the game with Sammich.

I didn't reply to the PM because we can't really set up a precise schedule when everything is changing all the time. We played fLb at 21:30 and ended at like 22:20 or something and we were supposed to start the match with KLF at 2200.
Your team was forfeited because there wasn't enough of your players sunday, not because we rescheduled.

Mandrad
04-28-2010, 12:50 PM
There should be a better way to this!
Some hours after we were at the same server (me and Tyr), ## had enough players to play. Fact is we didnt saw ACEs by the time.
There should be some sort of graphic displaying what clans are online. I dont care for how many, nowing that 1 player is and where he is, allows talking and solving these situations.
Anyway, i think the result wouldnt make a difference in terms of playoffs, although we would love to have the opportunity to get 1 point from u guys))) At this final fase and after what we had with FLB i think theres no need to take this further.
I dont know what exactly was Tomato/Ace conversations so, im speaking for myself.
Hope you guys stay in competion as much as i hope you guys come and rape us in a scrim one of this days!

Mr.OneTwo
04-28-2010, 01:41 PM
Yes, then if we don't set up a time ACE wins... sure, why not.