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Greekjr14
08-13-2010, 04:43 AM
I would like to fully and publicly apologize for my actions against Jrath's ban. I should not have lied about Jrath getting a clean bomb hit when he clearly did not and violated a specified rule to us about cheating in ladder. The reason that caused me to do this, to be honest, was for a laugh. Jrath wanted to do it for fun and when he did, we had a good laugh about it. It was funny and we all know it. We defended him becuase we think ladder was just too uptight. We were bored and wanted to have a little fun and just do the bomb hit to try to see if nobo would notice. Again I would like to apologize for my actions and I will never do it again.


Genesis

SkyGirl
08-13-2010, 05:09 AM
It's good to see that you guy's apologized as Nobo requested. Nobo seems like a man of his word, and I hope to see ya in ladder soon.

Fishibaron
08-13-2010, 05:14 AM
I would like to fully and publicly apologize for my actions against Jrath's ban. I should not have lied about Jrath getting a clean bomb hit when he clearly did not and violated a specified rule to us about cheating in ladder. The reason that caused me to do this, to be honest, was for a laugh. Jrath wanted to do it for fun and when he did, we had a good laugh about it. It was funny and we all know it. We defended him becuase we think ladder was just too uptight. We were bored and wanted to have a little fun and just do the bomb hit to try to see if nobo would notice. Again I would like to apologize for my actions and I will never do it again.


Genesis

Agreed with the bold text above.

Ladder administration sits idly by watching players, like elixir and kuja, criticize and spaz out at crappy players like myself.

These actions ruin my enjoyment of the game in violation of Rule 12) Any activity not listed above that can cause a negative experience for others while playing ladder.

The atmosphere of the ladder is one in which player fun comes second to ladder rank. Laddering is ok, but would be made much more enjoyable if the administration would seek to make it a fun and happier playing environment.

elxir
08-13-2010, 05:30 AM
wow a competitive environment puts winning first

hold the phone

Kuja900
08-13-2010, 05:31 AM
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/02/07/juno1_wideweb__470x321,2.jpg

elxir
08-13-2010, 05:31 AM
bahaha i love that movie

Fishibaron
08-13-2010, 06:54 AM
You guys spend too much time on the forum.

NastyManatee
08-15-2010, 07:35 AM
Fishi, please do allow me to kindly tell you to **** off.

It's pretty simple really, competitive players care enough about the game to create servers for other competitive players to enjoy. If you want to play competitively, come on in and blow **** up. If you want to stick your thumb up your ass and share lulz with your mumble pals, there is a pub server with your name on it, just waiting to deal with your ****.

Nobo brought the hammer down, as he should have and should continue to do. If you don't like how ladder is run and feel the need to publicly proclaim it, I hope you additionally have the constitution to stay the hell away from it and not ruin the experience for others.

That is all.

ryebone
08-15-2010, 07:05 PM
The atmosphere of the ladder is one in which player fun comes second to ladder rank.

It may surprise you, but some of us consider competition more fun than dicking around. If you don't like it, go to Official #1.

Fishibaron
08-15-2010, 11:23 PM
Look .. I'm one of the worst players in terms of current ladder rank for both TBD and Ball. While I do enjoy playing in the server, it could be better.

You ladderists have been discussing banning people for not using the correct / accepted plane perk builds and before you know it, I might get perma-banned just for being a bad player. So for those of who us who are still playing competitively, but losing, it would be nice to have a more relaxed / fun having atmosphere.

My mumble peoples are the only thing that makes playing with most of these Nazi Ladderites tolerable.

Lying and cheating should be punished, but the spirit of this incident was that of merriment and lolz, and that should be taken into account when determining the term of their punishment.

If we had players coming out of the woodwork, non stop 24 hour ladder gaming, then I suppose the ladder administration could afford to be cavalier with its bannings. However, I think the total player count is still well under 1000 total and there are many times when there are not enough players to make a ladder game.

So while we are still relatively small, maybe lightening up would not be such a bad idea.

Also to nasty manatee ... I have no beef with you, so wtf?
Elixir, Kuja and I have history so they probably read my post and shrugged it off. I was in no way calling you a feltched ***hole.

Evan20000
08-16-2010, 01:01 AM
"Reason: Nazi style forum administration breathing down my neck to get me to shut up while using foul language as their excuse to ban "

No, just no. I saw the original post, you were CLEARLY in violation of the terms of service. The mods are doing their jobs. If your sense of reality is so warped that you can't see that, the rest of the "argument" isn't even worth reading.

tgleaf
08-16-2010, 02:14 AM
Yep. And then I get this from Fishi in a PM:

While I fully appreciate that you seek to silence those people's opinions that differ from your own...

As I replied to him, if you break the forum rules, you deserve an infraction. It has nothing to do with my opinion, since plenty of forum members won't agree with everything I think. I don't have time or interest to police the forums for opinion-haters. The rules are clear about inappropriate language.

I gave you the least possible infraction, Fishi, so you really don't need to insult me like that.

DMCM
08-16-2010, 02:18 AM
I wish the average age in this community was at least 15 or 16.

XX1
08-16-2010, 02:27 AM
I wish the average age in this community was at least 15 or 16.
Me too, 44 years of age and up are too old. especially for these silly 2 dimensional games.

@tgleaf: in other words, Fishi doesn't like u.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 03:15 AM
Yep. And then I get this from Fishi in a PM:



As I replied to him, if you break the forum rules, you deserve an infraction. It has nothing to do with my opinion, since plenty of forum members won't agree with everything I think. I don't have time or interest to police the forums for opinion-haters. The rules are clear about inappropriate language.

I gave you the least possible infraction, Fishi, so you really don't need to insult me like that.

Taken entirely out of context... the entire message that I wrote to tgleaf was:

Originally Posted by Fishibaron
While I fully appreciate that you seek to silence those people's opinions that differ from your own, I suppose retyping words to get around the forum filter was a bit extreme. So, no worries, I wont do that again.

Yes, the first part is not so friendly, but the rest is to assure him that I will comply with forum rules in the future. If anything, I think that my response was something that a good forum administrator would appreciate, but instead like a true forum troll tgleaf takes what I say out of context and uses to flame me on a post that he had nothing to do with except for the fact that he acted as a forum admin on it.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 03:24 AM
"Reason: Nazi style forum administration breathing down my neck to get me to shut up while using foul language as their excuse to ban "

No, just no. I saw the original post, you were CLEARLY in violation of the terms of service. The mods are doing their jobs. If your sense of reality is so warped that you can't see that, the rest of the "argument" isn't even worth reading.

I agree that typing similar characters to those in swear words to circumvent forum profanity filters was a bit extreme and I told tgleaf in private that I will not be doing that in the future. As you can see I am a junior member of the forum and don't post here very often.

So my sense of reality is not warped and I would appreciate it if you would take the time to hear me out. Or you can just go on being "part of the elite" and "bury your head in the sand" and don't forget to "sarcastically use qoutes to get your point across".

But those things would be "idiotic"

Sinstar don't be an elitist you will just end up killing your own game.

shrode
08-16-2010, 03:42 AM
i lol'd at fishi thinking he is terrible at this game

Element
08-16-2010, 03:58 AM
Fishi, please do allow me to kindly tell you to **** off.

It's pretty simple really, competitive players care enough about the game to create servers for other competitive players to enjoy. If you want to play competitively, come on in and blow **** up. If you want to stick your thumb up your ass and share lulz with your mumble pals, there is a pub server with your name on it, just waiting to deal with your ****.

Nobo brought the hammer down, as he should have and should continue to do. If you don't like how ladder is run and feel the need to publicly proclaim it, I hope you additionally have the constitution to stay the hell away from it and not ruin the experience for others.

That is all.

This is pro, i also lol'd even though its not supposed to be funny,

Evan20000
08-16-2010, 04:30 AM
I agree that typing similar characters to those in swear words to circumvent forum profanity filters was a bit extreme and I told tgleaf in private that I will not be doing that in the future.
Glad to hear.
As you can see I am a junior member of the forum and don't post here very often.
Postcount only tracks the amount of spam you put out here. 20 useful posts are better then 2000 worthless posts.

So my sense of reality is not warped and I would appreciate it if you would take the time to hear me out.
Calling/comparing the moderators to nazis because you got infracted (and agreed the infraction was called for) isn't warped? I must be missing something here...
Or you can just go on being "part of the elite" and "bury your head in the sand" and don't forget to "sarcastically use qoutes to get your point across".
Alright, this is really getting obnoxious. If anyone takes a contrary stance to your position, you automatically assume that they're bandwagoning with someone else, regardless of whatever points they present. You're suggesting a very radical change in ladder structure and you apparently expect everyone to nod their heads. Argument and disagreement is inevitable in times of proposed change. You're trying to make yourself look oppressed when scrutinized by comparing the mods to an oppressing force that neither you, I, or likely anyone here can even comprehend considering we're in the 21st century. You also fail to realize that the mods are watching this forum only out of the goodness of their hearts and without compensation.
But those things would be "idiotic"
Your attempts at Sunaku sarcasm don't suit you....

Sinstar don't be an elitist you will just end up killing your own game.
If you read up, I haven't even posted my stance on this; merely called you out in an unfair assessment of the hardworking moderators. This shows you're stereotyping me into the rest of the "elitist" (as you put it) squad. But onto your actual point, the administration of ladder has been quite reasonable. Mikesol/Nobo are two of the most unbiased admins I've ever seen and are more then fair. If one or two people are troubling you, just mute them. That's what the button is for. You know as well as I do complaining about players who haven't broken the rules doesn't get anything done in the long run.

Onetwothreefourfivesixseveneightnineten

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 04:52 AM
Actually Sinstar .. what you did is tell everyone else to disregard me based off of a partial qoute that you were not privy to, nor did you fully understand. Then you tried to belittle my post by calling it an "argument", in qoutes.

I appreciate what the moderators do and that they volunteer themselves here, but really tgleaf made a mistake to only qoute me on part of my private message to him in a post that he had nothing to do with.

So, after reading what you've had to say, I will agree that this is getting stupid and I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you thought I was completely anti-moderator.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 04:57 AM
So for those of who us who are still playing competitively, but losing, it would be nice to have a more relaxed / fun having atmosphere.

Lying and cheating should be punished, but the spirit of this incident was that of merriment and lolz, and that should be taken into account when determining the term of their punishment.

If we had players coming out of the woodwork, non stop 24 hour ladder gaming, then I suppose the ladder administration could afford to be cavalier with its bannings. However, I think the total player count is still well under 1000 total and there are many times when there are not enough players to make a ladder game.

Also to nasty manatee ... I have no beef with you, so wtf?
Elixir, Kuja and I have history so they probably read my post and shrugged it off. I was in no way calling you a feltched ***hole.


The fact that I am allowed to rightfully call you and others the vapid wastes of space when you waste my time with poor play is a testament to the freedom allowed within the rules. People comparing the ladder administration to a nazi regime are really ****ing stupid. For us actually competitive player our fun is in high quality games not in a "lulzy atmosphere", that **** can head on over to official 3. The fact they thought it would be funny to abuse in a rated game just makes it all the more gross and their bans all the more justifiable.

edit: we have no history lol I reported you for circling for 5 minutes in a ladder game and you got an overly lax what was it 2 day ban? woopdeedoo

elxir
08-16-2010, 05:11 AM
i didn't report him for it but fishi spent 1 game in ladder grabbing our bomb...in a bomber. when multiple players asked him to stop he said "i like running in a bomber"

that's how classy these guys are

ban them all

Beagle
08-16-2010, 05:17 AM
For us actually competitive player our fun is in high quality games not in a "lulzy atmosphere", that **** can head on over to official 3. The fact they thought it would be funny to abuse in a rated game just makes it all the more gross and their bans all the more justifiable.

If high quality competitive play is fun for you and you can't stand bad players, get off your lazy ass and organise some scrims with your team against some others. If the Ladder is public, abusing people for playing there because they're not as good as you is a dick move.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 05:27 AM
i didn't report him for it but fishi spent 1 game in ladder grabbing our bomb...in a bomber. when multiple players asked him to stop he said "i like running in a bomber"

that's how classy these guys are

ban them all

Yea i don't remember that ... ask anyone I play noob loopy.

You and Kuja are consistently dickish to other players and you ruin the environment for those less skilled than yourselves. You should consider that your arrogance and elitism will eventually kill your own game.

My only appeal is that you all consider the golden rule and stop being dicks.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 05:41 AM
we have no history lol I reported you for circling for 5 minutes in a ladder game and you got an overly lax what was it 2 day ban? woopdeedoo

No Kuja .... here's what you did:

you consistently rode me about failing as a double shot loopy bomb runner when you failed to provide proper support to me as a whale in a TBD game where drunk guava was dominating us all with a ratio of something like 20:5. Despite numerous attempts to tell you to lay off of me you continued to belittle and demean me, finally calling me a "C*NT". Once you opened the vulgarity bottle I decided to teach you how to really swear and told you exactly what kind of dick you were. In order to tell you this I needed to type to you and you needed to type to me as we fought. Then you tried to tell the ladder admins that I purposely threw the game by typing to you when really that never would have happened had you just not been such a dick. Ultimately, the admins gave me a 2 day ban because I used excessive vulgarity.

You joined our mumble channel once or twice and despite being called-out by me you refused to finish what you started because you are a cowardly shim who didn't want to come tumbling out of the closet on mumble where everyone would hear your prepubescent pea-brained weak boy voice.

Don't even try to talk to me about freedom of speech, because there is little of it here, and the little of it that does exist ... exists only for the forum mods/ladder admins and other elitist friends of friends.

Kuja, until you man up and just admit that you were too scared to talk **** with me or that I did get under your skin so much that you just had to have me banned, then I will never be able to respect you. Because, even though you are in reality a man, you act like a little C*, as you would put it.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 05:43 AM
If high quality competitive play is fun for you and you can't stand bad players, get off your lazy ass and organise some scrims with your team against some others. If the Ladder is public, abusing people for playing there because they're not as good as you is a dick move.

Here, here, Thank you friend.

Smushface
08-16-2010, 05:48 AM
So lets start at the beginning shall we?

1) Nazism was a hyper-nationalistic and extremely conservative political movement that started in a Germany that was broke and ****ed over. Basically, Hitler and other prominent Nazis used the fear and hate of the general populace to take power and impose their own agenda in politics. And in this case, Hitler via the Nazis took his own ****ed up personal antisemitism, combined it with the traditional 1000 year old antisemitism and used a country's political system to systematically torture and kill tens of millions of people AND start a war that wiped out about 1/3 of the male population of Europe. So when you call someone a Nazi, you're comparing them to the people largely responsible for the biggest travesty in the last century and maybe human history. And anyways, its a misuse of the word. The Nazis were not really known for stringent laws and censorship. You'd be much better off calling us say, Stalinists, North Koreans, or even Spanish Inquisitors. Unless we're trying to kill all the Jews. Then you might be able to get away with calling us Nazis. Get with the program kid.

2) You and a ton of other people need to learn how to take some butthurt in ladder, especially in TBD. Please understand that a lot of us have been playing Altitude for a year or two and the only real enjoyment we get from this game anymore is basically from ladder and leagues. So when 2 explos and a loopy can't stop a lone bomb runner and you're playing with some of the more vocal vets, you're probably going to hear something you don't want to hear. And anyways, most of the stuff these ragers say usually has an ounce of truth in it so if you can take a step back, take it for what it is, you can usually get some good feedback about your play. (Note: This isn't always true. The ragers aren't always good players and aren't always right) Compared to ball ladder where every other comment is "cmon," "team," and "wtf" I think tbd is a goddamn sanctuary. And trolling Kuja right back is hilarious.

Anyways, you and the rest of the self-entitled kids who just want to come in here with your passive-aggressive bull**** really has just become kind of a joke. Nobo isn't your code-monkey. The admins are there to maintain a competitive enviroment, not protect you from being bullied on the playground. But in the end, I really think this is going to fall on deaf ears but meh, gotta get my nerd on.

elxir
08-16-2010, 05:55 AM
Yea i don't remember that ... ask anyone I play noob loopy.

You and Kuja are consistently dickish to other players and you ruin the environment for those less skilled than yourselves. You should consider that your arrogance and elitism will eventually kill your own game.

My only appeal is that you all consider the golden rule and stop being dicks.

ur the only one insulting ppl here :rolleyes:

and i'm surprised you don't remember it genesis even admitted you were laughing about it on mumble

tho u guys do so much classy stuff you probably forget most of it

Smushface
08-16-2010, 05:57 AM
Don't even try to talk to me about freedom of speech, because there is little of it here, and the little of it that does exist ... exists only for the forum mods/ladder admins and other elitist friends of friends.


Let's address this too.

I'm copying this from the TL forum that I just joined so I can get good at SC2 that I'm starting to think sections of the Altitude forums need to start copying.

"6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS
All other things being equal, we will give preferential treatment to site members who have been with us longer (as reflected in their post count + length of time with us as a registered member). It's a simple recognition of the quality of these people. Longevity and contribution are prized commodities around here. In a similar vein, "known" pro/semi-pro players will also be treated with deference (yes, quite a few hang out here). Don't complain - these guys have earned it.

Remember: we ban little kids all the time because they sign on thinking they can say and do whatever they want to whomever they want right from the get-go - just like they're used to doing at other sites. That attitude won't work here. That's a promise. As far as new users are concerned (i.e. anyone with less than 1000 or so quality posts to their name), this site is Holy Ground. The veterans are the users who've consistently shown respect to the site and to others and that's why they're still here. Show them some respect.

In practice, this policy means a user who has thousands of posts may be able to get away with a few minor transgressions in etiquette with just a warning. If you're at 50 posts and you try the same kind of stunt, then we may just ban you. Harsh? Yes. Unfair? Most definitely. But that's the way life is. Learn to live with it.

This also means you should think twice before calling that guy with 5000+ posts a jackass. If the guy's been with us that long, chances are YOU'RE the one being an idiot. Some battles are just not worth fighting - just move on."

Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883#cmd06

So basically in relation to Altitude, replace forum post count with general respect among the vets.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 05:58 AM
No Kuja .... here's what you did:

you consistently rode me about failing as a double shot loopy bomb runner when you failed to provide proper support to me as a whale in a TBD game where drunk guava was dominating us all with a ratio of something like 20:5. Despite numerous attempts to tell you to lay off of me you continued to belittle and demean me, finally calling me a "C*NT". Once you opened the vulgarity bottle I decided to teach you how to really swear and told you exactly what kind of dick you were. In order to tell you this I needed to type to you and you needed to type to me as we fought. Then you tried to tell the ladder admins that I purposely threw the game by typing to you when really that never would have happened had you just not been such a dick. Ultimately, the admins gave me a 2 day ban because I used excessive vulgarity.

You joined our mumble channel once or twice and despite being called-out by me you refused to finish what you started because you are a cowardly shim who didn't want to come tumbling out of the closet on mumble where everyone would hear your prepubescent pea-brained weak boy voice.

Don't even try to talk to me about freedom of speech, because there is little of it here, and the little of it that does exist ... exists only for the forum mods/ladder admins and other elitist friends of friends.

Kuja, until you man up and just admit that you were too scared to talk **** with me or that I did get under your skin so much that you just had to have me banned, then I will never be able to respect you. Because, even though you are in reality a man, you act like a little C*, as you would put it.

1. You have a very skewed recollection of the events of that game.

2. When you make retarded runs with no advantage or reason to push when you do damn right I am not going throw my life away along with you. You wonder why he had such a high ratio when you kept suiciding into their line like a muppet with our bomb, really?

3. You circled for like 5minutes saying **** about refusing to play and that what you got banned for and I can promise you that if you and drunkguava were not on good terms it would have been much longer. I chose to not even make a forum post about it at his request and because it was not worth my time.

4. I don't have a microphone and if I did why would I couldn't possibly reply as I was far too busy laughing my ass off at the guy who got so butthurt over a 2 day ladder ban.

5. Freedom of speech is absolutely here you can say almost whatever you want provided you avoid excessive ad hominem attacks.

SkyGirl
08-16-2010, 05:59 AM
i didn't report him for it but fishi spent 1 game in ladder grabbing our bomb...in a bomber. when multiple players asked him to stop he said "i like running in a bomber"

that's how classy these guys are

ban them all

So if you decide that Fishi doesn't need to take the bomb, that all should follow King Elixir's orders?, the King of ladder, the one that if he say's something, and you don't hop to it, they should be banned? wow!! you give yourself way too much credit.

LOL, and you have the nerve to talk about someone's lack of class!!!!!!!! I have so many screen shots of you cursing and acting like a 3 year old Elixir, and by the way you shout ban ban ban about everything, I MEAN EVERY SINGLE THING!!! The only problem is you violate the ladder rules as much if not more than anyone that I have ever seen with your baby like actions, by causing many to have a terrible experience in the server when you are there. The rules apply to you also Elixir. May be you should clean your own back yard before you start on others.

What is so funny is that every time you open your mouth, you prove my point exactly, and what is even more funny is you are so close the admins every time you start doing that, and I point that out so others can realize how you act, BANG the thread suddenly gets closed so you can't embarrass yourself any further. LOL Elixir I really feel sorry for you, I have heard that you are not some teen aged kid, I hear that your are old enough to be considered an adult even though It appears that you cant seem to catch up to your age with your actions. I think that you should give a public apology to every player in Ladder for your juvenile actions.

I can't wait to here what you have to say in response to this criticism. But one thing is certain, you can dish it out but you can't take it!!

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 06:00 AM
The fact that I am allowed to rightfully call you and others the vapid wastes of space when you waste my time with poor play is a testament to the freedom allowed within the rules.

I disagree with you here. As I stated above Rule 12 disallows the following:

"12) Any activity not listed above that can cause a negative experience for others while playing ladder."

Even further Rule 11 does not allow excessive trash talking:

"11) Racism/Bigotry. General immaturity. Excessive or unrelenting trash talk targeting specific players."

See http://altitudegame.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3294

You are consistently hateful and rude to players and you choose to belittle and demean them for their play so much and so often that it rises above normal conduct and does cause a negative experience for those who you choose to torment. However, this rule does not get enforced against you because you are in with the elitist crowd and as I hear it you were recently named a ladder admin.

Please consider that the recent reverse wall bomb cheating incident and the subsequent forum malfeasance all fall under general catch-all rule 12 violations and to this point (although nobo has indicated this may change) they have resulted in 20 year ladder bans for the offenders.

My entire point in these posts has been to point out that a group of happy laughing merry makers are getting 20 year bans while disgruntled angry trolls that are equally guilty under the same rule, like yourself, are promoted to admin.

Nobo should consider that in his final determination of the violator's bans and also should consider the damaging impact that your kind of rudeness has on the server and our game. We have a small player base and you are only making it smaller.

elxir
08-16-2010, 06:02 AM
So if you decide that Fishi doesn't need to take the bomb, that all should follow King Elixir's orders?, the King of ladder, the one that if he say's something, and you don't hop to it, they should be banned? wow!! you give yourself way too much credit.

LOL, and you have the nerve to talk about someone's lack of class!!!!!!!! I have so many screen shots of you cursing and acting like a 3 year old Elixir, and by the way you shout ban ban ban about everything, I MEAN EVERY SINGLE THING!!! The only problem is you violate the ladder rules as much if not more than anyone that I have ever seen with your baby like actions, by causing many to have a terrible experience in the server when you are there. The rules apply to you also Elixir. May be you should clean your own back yard before you start on others.

What is so funny is that every time you open your mouth, you prove my point exactly, and what is even more funny is you are so close the admins every time you start doing that, and I point that out so others can realize how you act, BANG the thread suddenly gets closed so you can't embarrass yourself any further. LOL Elixir I really feel sorry for you, I have heard that you are not some teen aged kid, I hear that your are old enough to be considered an adult even though It appears that you cant seem to catch up to your age with your actions. I think that you should give a public apology to every player in Ladder for your juvenile actions.

I can't wait to here what you have to say in response to this criticism. But one thing is certain, you can dish it out but you can't take it!!

wat

i mean

are you trying to defend someone's right to bomb run in a heavy plane in ladder

i mean

come on kparis

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 06:02 AM
ur the only one insulting ppl here :rolleyes:

and i'm surprised you don't remember it genesis even admitted you were laughing about it on mumble

tho u guys do so much classy stuff you probably forget most of it

elixir you are one of the worst in-game trash talkers ... I know who you are, I know who you were ... you can shed your name and try to act differently here on the forums, but I'm never going to let you forget who you really are.

See me in-game for a full explanation of that.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 06:03 AM
If high quality competitive play is fun for you and you can't stand bad players, get off your lazy ass and organise some scrims with your team against some others. If the Ladder is public, abusing people for playing there because they're not as good as you is a dick move.

I never abuse anyone for not being as good as me. There are some very simply things every player can do to improve their teams results that involve little to no skill. Using the right planes for the right roles, using a balanced plane comp, hitting s to not hand the other team bombs, not running the bomb with a heavy plane, not pushing when you have no support and 5 guys spamming waiting for you, pushing out ahead with the bomb when you have 4 teammates to assist behind you, etc. Its when people don't do these simple things that dramatically improve your team's results that I lose my temper. Skill level is completely irrelevant to any and every request I make.

edit: oh the one exception would be letting a bomb hit when its 1v4 I did not realize that much skill was required in that situation :rolleyes:

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 06:04 AM
are you trying to defend someone's right to bomb run in a heavy plane in ladder

Once again, in ladder, I am almost exclusively a double shot/hard armor/turbo loopy ... I really think you have this wrong.

elxir
08-16-2010, 06:08 AM
Once again, in ladder, I am almost exclusively a double shot/hard armor/turbo loopy ... I really think you have this wrong.

i really don't have it wrong

the map was bowserscastle and it was you, me, stack, and 2 others who i cannot remember

Beagle
08-16-2010, 06:08 AM
Here, here, Thank you friend.

If I'm your friend now then take some friendly advice; stop arguing. I'm glancing over your posts and the gist I'm getting is you're complaining about free speech and the right to not be bullied or something. If that's correct, you obviously have free speech because you can say things like

KUJA IS A SHEMALE

and not get taken to the docks with a bag over your head and shot with a silenced pistol, or even worse, have your post edited out. On the subject of e-bullying, it's an occupational hazard of being a keyboard warrior, we all learn to deal with it

Even if there WAS a lack of free speech and right to play how you like, which I imagine was your original point, arguing with Kuja will accomplish absoloutely nothing; Kuja is very strongly opinionated and the only way to possibly make Kuja's opinion yours is to provide cold hard irrefutable factual evidence, not convince Kuja with wordplay; and even if you do don't bet all your chickens on Kuja yielding. Arguing with Kuja just makes you look stupid, because arguing in general makes you look stupid, and because Kuja is very special.

If you're worried about your right to play on ladder being threatened talk to someone who actually has real power and right over it like Nobodyhome. If you think you are being abused talk to the people who run the game like Lamster or Karl. Whatever you do, stop competing in the 1000m Lethal Arguing event

elxir
08-16-2010, 06:09 AM
elixir you are one of the worst in-game trash talkers ... I know who you are, I know who you were ... you can shed your name and try to act differently here on the forums, but I'm never going to let you forget who you really are.

See me in-game for a full explanation of that.

i change my name like every 2 weeks the current one is actually my original name lol everyone knows who it is

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 06:10 AM
I disagree with you here. As I stated above Rule 12 disallows the following:

"12) Any activity not listed above that can cause a negative experience for others while playing ladder."

Even further Rule 11 does not allow excessive trash talking:

"11) Racism/Bigotry. General immaturity. Excessive or unrelenting trash talk targeting specific players."

See http://altitudegame.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3294

You are consistently hateful and rude to players and you choose to belittle and demean them for their play so much and so often that it rises above normal conduct and does cause a negative experience for those who you choose to torment. However, this rule does not get enforced against you because you are in with the elitist crowd and as I hear it you were recently named a ladder admin.

Please consider that the recent reverse wall bomb cheating incident and the subsequent forum malfeasance all fall under general catch-all rule 12 violations and to this point (although nobo has indicated this may change) they have resulted in 20 year ladder bans for the offenders.

My entire point in these posts has been to point out that a group of happy laughing merry makers are getting 20 year bans while disgruntled angry trolls that are equally guilty under the same rule, like yourself, are promoted to admin.

Nobo should consider that in his final determination of the violator's bans and also should consider the damaging impact that your kind of rudeness has on the server and our game. We have a small player base and you are only making it smaller.

Hah under rule 12 your refusal to follow conventional play is ruining my experience turn about is fair play. Also moderators warn players when their trash talk reaches excessive levels I don't cross the line.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 06:12 AM
Oh Beagle I've missed you by the way, welcome back <3.

elxir
08-16-2010, 06:13 AM
and not get taken to the docks with a bag over your head and shot with a silenced pistol, or even worse, have your post edited out.

haha i lol'd

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 06:14 AM
I never abuse anyone for not being as good as me. There are some very simply things every player can do to improve their teams results that involve little to no skill. Using the right planes for the right roles, using a balanced plane comp, hitting s to not hand the other team bombs, not running the bomb with a heavy plane, not pushing when you have no support and 5 guys spamming waiting for you, pushing out ahead with the bomb when you have 4 teammates to assist behind you, etc. Its when people don't do these simple things that dramatically improve your team's results that I lose my temper. Skill level is completely irrelevant to any and every request I make.

edit: oh the one exception would be letting a bomb hit when its 1v4 I did not realize that much skill was required in that situation :rolleyes:

Dude, I'll play my game, you play yours. You may be the captain of [flb], but on ladder you have to play with the teammates you are given. Truly good players, like FU.donk, are play makers that can win a game regardless of their team. Over time the ladder will measure out the number of games that a play maker wins despite his crappy team. There will always be players on the bottom of ladder, but if you treated them with more respect that player might be #2,000 and not #775 as it is now. If I am your teammate try to have respect for me or keep it to yourself because it deters a lot of players from joining us and that is bad.

You probably called me a retard .. you definitely called me a C*nt .. that behavior is uncalled for. Finally, you have followed it up with one of the most pathetic displays of cowardice that you use "not having a microphone" as your excuse to shy away from your mumble weakness.

Listen, I will try to forget that you are such a cowardly, passive-agressive, womanlike and weak shim if you promise me that now, especially because you are a ladder admin, you will try to treat your fellow players with more respect. Its better for OUR game, trust me.

Beagle
08-16-2010, 06:16 AM
I never abuse anyone for not being as good as me. There are some very simply things every player can do to improve their teams results that involve little to no skill. Using the right planes for the right roles, using a balanced plane comp, hitting s to not hand the other team bombs, not running the bomb with a heavy plane, not pushing when you have no support and 5 guys spamming waiting for you, pushing out ahead with the bomb when you have 4 teammates to assist behind you, etc. Its when people don't do these simple things that dramatically improve your team's results that I lose my temper. Skill level is completely irrelevant to any and every request I make.

And I think any player who considers themselves a poor TBD player should feel lucky to get such free tips from you; all of those sound fine and dandy and if you explain that politely to people I'd hope reasonable players would try their hardest and thank you for it. HOWEVER, if they don't agree with your methods, that's their perogative. Your advice, while reasonable sounding to me, is not the word of god and they are free to play their own way if they, for whatever reason, desire to.

It probably would seem stupid to you that they would do that; that is why I say you should get your team together and organise some REAL high quality games against other teams. Look at ANY other game with 'pubbing', people complain about getting low-skill players but they don't try to get them banned because that would be stupid. In a public ladder everyone has a right to play until Nobo decides it's a private ladder; if you don't want to play with pubby players, play with your team. It's the same with any other game.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 06:19 AM
Dude, I'll play my game, you play yours. You may be the captain of [flb], but on ladder you have to play with the teammates you are given. Truly good players, like FU.donk, are play makers that can win a game regardless of their team. Over time the ladder will measure out the number of games that a play maker wins despite his crappy team. There will always be players on the bottom of ladder, but if you treated them with more respect that player might be #2,000 and not #775 as it is now. If I am your teammate try to have respect for me or keep it to yourself because it deters a lot of players from joining us and that is bad.

You probably called me a retard .. you definitely called me a C*nt .. that behavior is uncalled for. Finally, you have followed it up with one of the most pathetic displays of cowardice that you use "not having a microphone" as your excuse to shy away from your mumble weakness.

Listen, I will try to forget that you are such a cowardly, passive-agressive, womanlike and weak shim if you promise me that now, especially because you are a ladder admin, you will try to treat your fellow players with more respect. Its better for OUR game, trust me.

http://www.altitudeladder.net/profile.php?id=261

"Best Teammate [fLb]Kuja900"

Your game affects my game because you are on my team. I do everything I can think of to win ladder games including coaching members on my team. Plane comps and common sense are not too much to ask for from anyone. I don't have respect for anyone who refuses to follow even the most basic conventions to contribute to their team when they literally involve no skill. I never mindlessly hate on anyone in ladder I always make sure they know what they did wrong and what they could do differently.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 06:24 AM
And I think any player who considers themselves a poor TBD player should feel lucky to get such free tips from you; all of those sound fine and dandy and if you explain that politely to people I'd hope reasonable players would try their hardest and thank you for it. HOWEVER, if they don't agree with your methods, that's their perogative. Your advice, while reasonable sounding to me, is not the word of god and they are free to play their own way if they, for whatever reason, desire to.

It probably would seem stupid to you that they would do that; that is why I say you should get your team together and organise some REAL high quality games against other teams. Look at ANY other game with 'pubbing', people complain about getting low-skill players but they don't try to get them banned because that would be stupid. In a public ladder everyone has a right to play until Nobo decides it's a private ladder; if you don't want to play with pubby players, play with your team. It's the same with any other game.

In the heat of the game I have no time to eloquently explain my point I need to get my point across quickly or said problem will compound on itself and cost us the game. I am not giving in depth instruction that would have any stylistic debate to it mid game its all just common sense and things any player can do regardless of skill or experience to help out their team. While not an exclusive server it is a private server and there is a certain (albeit very small) amount of quality control, for example week old players are generally asked to leave sometimes more politely then other times. I try never to be rude to any truly new player as I do not want them to discourage them, however if a player who I know for a fact knows better is sinking my team they is without a doubt getting an earful.

Beagle
08-16-2010, 06:24 AM
Fishi, how you can call someone a weak shim and ask for more respect in the same paragraph; call someone a pathetic weak coward in the same sentence as saying 'that behavior is uncalled for' absoloutely astounds me, and I think you should chill out before you dig yourself deeper into a pit of infamy here

As much as I attack Kuja's maturity or rationale, I do so because I've known him for a very long time, and at the end of the day he will give respect where he thinks it is due, not because you throw a tantrum and call him a shemale

Beagle
08-16-2010, 06:26 AM
In the heat of the game I have no time to eloquently explain my point I need to get my point across quickly or said problem will compound on itself and cost us the game. I am not giving in depth instruction that would have any stylistic debate to it mid game its all just common sense and things any player can do regardless of skill or experience to help out their team.

I appreciate the need for brevity but keep in mind the more sincerity and politeness you make the effort to fake, the better they will respond

Just something to keep in mind if you're really trying to get people to play better

mikesol
08-16-2010, 06:29 AM
So who here is going to be the mature adult and stop arguing about all this nonsense? Right now every side is so stuck up in themselves that even if they were COMPLETELY wrong - they would still argue till the end of time.

Seriously who the hell cares. Most of the people posting here are not ladder admins. Just because someone has a beef with someone else means nothing to me (and I'm pretty sure it means nothing to nobo or any of the other ladder admins). This whole apology is being completely derailed by stupid stuff. The whole point of these threads was for these people to show that they were truly sorry for what they did and for the community to see it. Please don't keep ruining this thread by trash talking each other and playing a he started it game.

Incidentally - you're not going to help anyone by pulling a ferret. Insulting, degrading, and overall being mean to someone will not make them want to change. Yes - we all rage at some point or another. However, at some time you have to grow up, realize people are not going to be at your level instantly, and try and cut them some slack. This goes for both sides. If you're new and you know it - try and take advice with some dignity. Yes other players are better than you. Yes they might be dicks. Try and remain calm and mature. If i see person x raging at newbie y - and newbie y is calmly trying to talk through it - i know which newb's respect level just shot through the roof in my book.

PS: you do not get maturity points for pointing out you're the mature one who is going to stop.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 06:29 AM
Upon first request I am polite almost 100% of the time, unless its something notoriously silly.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 06:32 AM
Mikesol I never ask for anyone to "be at my level" the only things I ever ask for involve no skill and I am VERY careful about those type of things as I believe asking the unreasonable/impossible is just pointless. Saying things like "PLAY BETTER" without any detail of what to do differently are completely useless and just bog your team down even further.

Smushface
08-16-2010, 06:35 AM
This one time, Kuja told me to take some initiative and kill the explos on the opposing team. Haha, like I've never heard that before.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 06:36 AM
So lets start at the beginning shall we?

1) Nazism was a hyper-nationalistic and extremely conservative political movement that started in a Germany that was broke and ****ed over. Basically, Hitler and other prominent Nazis used the fear and hate of the general populace to take power and impose their own agenda in politics. And in this case, Hitler via the Nazis took his own ****ed up personal antisemitism, combined it with the traditional 1000 year old antisemitism and used a country's political system to systematically torture and kill tens of millions of people AND start a war that wiped out about 1/3 of the male population of Europe. So when you call someone a Nazi, you're comparing them to the people largely responsible for the biggest travesty in the last century and maybe human history. And anyways, its a misuse of the word. The Nazis were not really known for stringent laws and censorship. You'd be much better off calling us say, Stalinists, North Koreans, or even Spanish Inquisitors. Unless we're trying to kill all the Jews. Then you might be able to get away with calling us Nazis. Get with the program kid.

2) You and a ton of other people need to learn how to take some butthurt in ladder, especially in TBD. Please understand that a lot of us have been playing Altitude for a year or two and the only real enjoyment we get from this game anymore is basically from ladder and leagues. So when 2 explos and a loopy can't stop a lone bomb runner and you're playing with some of the more vocal vets, you're probably going to hear something you don't want to hear. And anyways, most of the stuff these ragers say usually has an ounce of truth in it so if you can take a step back, take it for what it is, you can usually get some good feedback about your play. (Note: This isn't always true. The ragers aren't always good players and aren't always right) Compared to ball ladder where every other comment is "cmon," "team," and "wtf" I think tbd is a goddamn sanctuary. And trolling Kuja right back is hilarious.

Anyways, you and the rest of the self-entitled kids who just want to come in here with your passive-aggressive bull**** really has just become kind of a joke. Nobo isn't your code-monkey. The admins are there to maintain a competitive enviroment, not protect you from being bullied on the playground. But in the end, I really think this is going to fall on deaf ears but meh, gotta get my nerd on.

1) The Nazi party is generally remembered for their cruelty, intolerance and their denial of personal freedoms. To fail at making this connection and try to back it up with some pseudo-intellectual (and unimpressive) history lesson is as asinine as it is off topic.

2) My point is to end the your cocky arrogance which will kill our game. Also wanting people to endure butthurt sounds like some sort of homosexual threat. I do try to listen to my teammates, but Kuja is a special case and I will agree with you that it is fun to hate him.

By the way, stop calling me a kid, and stop being a dick for no reason.

mikesol
08-16-2010, 06:37 AM
Mikesol I never ask for anyone to "be at my level" the only things I ever ask for involve no skill and I am VERY careful about those type of things as I believe asking the unreasonable/impossible is just pointless. Saying things like "PLAY BETTER" without any detail of what to do differently are completely useless and just bog your team down even further.

I'm not saying you specifically did that kuja. My post was a general let's stop being dicks post - not a "let me ridicule kuja post" :)

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 06:39 AM
1) The Nazi party is generally remembered for their cruelty, intolerance and their denial of personal freedoms. To fail at making this connection and try to back it up with some pseudo-intellectual (and unimpressive) history lesson is as asinine as it is off topic.

2) My point is to end the your cocky arrogance which will kill our game. Also wanting people to endure butthurt sounds like some sort of homosexual threat. I do try to listen to my teammates, but Kuja is a special case and I will agree with you that it is fun to hate him.

By the way, stop calling me a kid, and stop being a dick for no reason.

I must say you have the most ironic posts in this thread

Beagle
08-16-2010, 06:41 AM
1) The Nazi party is generally remembered for their cruelty, intolerance and their denial of personal freedoms. To fail at making this connection and try to back it up with some pseudo-intellectual (and unimpressive) history lesson is as asinine as it is off topic.

2) My point is to end the your cocky arrogance which will kill our game. Also wanting people to endure butthurt sounds like some sort of homosexual threat. I do try to listen to my teammates, but Kuja is a special case and I will agree with you that it is fun to hate him.

By the way, stop calling me a kid, and stop being a dick for no reason.

1) Regardless of who is right on the nazi issue, using the word asinine gives me a physical urge to punch someone. Like I just imagine this big smarmy fat guy saying it with this huge ****-eating grin and I get upset.

2) You are also displaying unwarranted cocky arrogance. At least with Kuja you can understand why he does it; he's been playing MUCH MUCH longer than you and has done MUCH MUCH more for the community.

3) I'd imagine they will stop calling you a kid when you stop acting like one

I was serious before, you sound like a dick, just stop arguing and let's spread flowers over this thread's burial site.

mikesol
08-16-2010, 06:41 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

^ let's not dissolve into this please :)

Also - calling someone names and insulting them then saying stop being a dick seems to be a trend here. Let's try and stop that :D

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 06:43 AM
http://www.altitudeladder.net/profile.php?id=261

"Best Teammate [fLb]Kuja900"

Your game affects my game because you are on my team. I do everything I can think of to win ladder games including coaching members on my team. Plane comps and common sense are not too much to ask for from anyone. I don't have respect for anyone who refuses to follow even the most basic conventions to contribute to their team when they literally involve no skill. I never mindlessly hate on anyone in ladder I always make sure they know what they did wrong and what they could do differently.

The ladder program somehow computes that you are my best teammate, but in reality, you are my worst teammate because when I play with you I hate every moment of your cocky arrogant snide attitude and I have a less fun time playing.

From time to time you will be on teams with players that fail to live up to your standards but if you are good enough you will win anyway. Over time the ladder will measure that and the best players will win more often from their own merit and rise to the top. All you do is complain about how other players have failed you, in our game versus drunk guava you failed to take any responsibility to provide me the proper support so that I could run the bomb, instead calling me a retarded runner and then finally a C*nt. Like the coward that you are you like to sit behind a wall and blame others for your collective failure.

Woken has told me so much about how you are a great leader on [flb], but I fail to see how that could be so given your behavior in-game. In the same way that you tried to coach me on how you wanted me to play. Now I am trying to coach you on how you should treat those on your team. If your goal is to get people to do what you want, then you should consider being nice to them to get what you want. I know you can understand that concept in as much as you are a dirty conniving manipulator who likes to run to their friends for bans when they get into a fight they can't finish.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 06:45 AM
Upon first request I am polite almost 100% of the time, unless its something notoriously silly.

This is an absolute lie

Beagle
08-16-2010, 06:48 AM
From time to time you will be on teams with players that fail to live up to your standards but if you are good enough you will win anyway.

In my opinion, this is an absolute lie. You cannot win team-oriented games on your own in a game where the different playstyles all have relatively unbreakable ceilings of potential, that is why they are team-oriented games. Unless you've been playing ten years longer than the other guys it's doubtful you can 1v5 a good team.

Also, please stop posting emotionally charged responses, if you insist on arguing keep it cool and calm.

SkyGirl
08-16-2010, 06:49 AM
wat

i mean

are you trying to defend someone's right to bomb run in a heavy plane in ladder

i mean

come on kparis


The real question Elixir is this, SHOW ME THE RULE that say's that any player cannot use certain set ups, and where it further explains that if they do they can't run the bomb? It simply boils down to you! And exactly who are you, to assume that you can mandate that anyone play a specific set up or if they should or shouldn't run the bomb?

Did I miss the meeting where it was told that when Elixir is playing in Ladder, that if he says change planes you must because he is automatically the team captain of any team he is on? I really don't think that meeting occurred Elixir. Any player that joins in on a ladder game has the same opportunity that you do, to choose the plane that they feel is best for them. Does it happen that some are not as good as you would like for them to be? Well, sure that happens Elixir, and It happens a lot, and not just to you, it happens to me and hundreds of other players. But raging doesn't change anything. I have close to 70,000 kills with Loopy which is not even my main plane that I use now, but I was playing a Ladder game on your team on my second account, and I had an off day with the bomber so I switched to loopy, and you would have thought that I had just done something terrible by the way you began complaining. You said things like why don't you play a plane that you can actually use among many many obscenities. Well I have news for you Elixir, everyone has a bad game here and there, even you. When I notice you having an off day, I don't try to belittle you or scream at you, I know that it happens to everyone. I was even warned by Nobo that if I circled by the base again he would ban me. Well the fact is that if you had not attacked me, I would have not felt the need to respond to you. So if my typing back to you one time is serious enough to receive a warning for a ban, then your constant rage typing should be noticed also. When you do that, you are not helping your team at all, if anything you are distracting them with your insults. Most anyone that gets verbally attacked in game will respond back. So if you want you Ladder experience to be better, you can make the effort to do your part by not distracting other players. I would not get upset if you team chatted and said will you try whale of bomber, I would gladly give it try, but using all chat cursing at people to try to belittle them to make them look bad thinking that they will change for you will never work, thats just the nature of the beast.

Elixir, I have thought about these things a lot, and I want to practice what I preach as a grown man, and offer you a sincere apology If I have ever offended you in any way, and give you the respect that you deserve as a man, and I will continue to respond to you in a respectful way in the future. All I ask from you is to receive the same respect in return. It's time we take this game to a new level, and I would like for you and me to pioneer a new way to achieve our goals by making ladder and these fourms the best that they can possibly be by helping each other,rather than bickering back and fourth.

elxir
08-16-2010, 06:51 AM
holy crap i'm not reading all that but i'll assume you attempted to disagree with me

ladder is a competitive environment running in a bomber is wrong in said environment

i have no idea how you typed a small essay debating this

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 06:54 AM
1) Regardless of who is right on the nazi issue, using the word asinine gives me a physical urge to punch someone. Like I just imagine this big smarmy fat guy saying it with this huge ****-eating grin and I get upset.

2) You are also displaying unwarranted cocky arrogance. At least with Kuja you can understand why he does it; he's been playing MUCH MUCH longer than you and has done MUCH MUCH more for the community.

3) I'd imagine they will stop calling you a kid when you stop acting like one

I was serious before, you sound like a dick, just stop arguing and let's spread flowers over this thread's burial site.

Sorry I didn't use the right word for you.
Yea these guys have me all stirred up.
The notion that Kuja can treat me or others like garbage because he's been playing much much longer and has done much much more is exactly the elitist mentality that I am telling you will eventually ruin the game and dwindle the player base to nothing and should be avoided/discouraged.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 06:55 AM
holy crap i'm not reading all that but i'll assume you attempted to disagree with me

ladder is a competitive environment running in a bomber is wrong in said environment

i have no idea how you typed a small essay debating this

You are a liar .. I didnt run in a bomber .. I am consistently a double shot/hard armor/turbo loopy.

See me in game or hop on mumble with a recorder so that I can remind you what I truly think of you.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 06:56 AM
The ladder program somehow computes that you are my best teammate, but in reality, you are my worst teammate because when I play with you I hate every moment of your cocky arrogant snide attitude and I have a less fun time playing.

From time to time you will be on teams with players that fail to live up to your standards but if you are good enough you will win anyway. Over time the ladder will measure that and the best players will win more often from their own merit and rise to the top. All you do is complain about how other players have failed you, in our game versus drunk guava you failed to take any responsibility to provide me the proper support so that I could run the bomb. Like the coward that you are you like to sit behind a wall and blame others for the TEAM's failure.

Woken has told me so much about how you are a great leader on [flb], but I fail to see how that could be so given your behavior in-game. In the same way that you tried to coach me on how you wanted me to play. Now I am trying to coach you on how you should treat those on your team. If your goal is to get people to do what you want, then you should consider being nice to them to get what you want. I know you can understand that concept in as much as you are a dirty conniving manipulator who likes to run to their friends for bans when they get into a fight they can't finish.

I have to reply to almost all of your posts with numbered rebuttals as there is just such a large amount of trash in each one.

1. My standards just ask for adherence to a few basic concepts such as not handing over free bombs and using sensible plane compositions that have proven themselves etc.

2. I yell at my team suiciding into 3v1 situations and throwing away their lives, you wonder why I am not there dying with you its because this is not ball and it often takes 8 seconds or so to respawn when you make such a mistake like charging into a situation in which you are vastly outnumbered. I did not support you because your bomb running was just charging into the other team at completely inappropriate times and I realized you were inept as a runner and asked you not to run before I got harsh. I did not say run better I asked you to stop running and let someone who was familiar with bomb running to do so.

3. I am always the first to admit when I **** up ask anybody I am the first to know when I do something that I could have done it better. I do not take any responsibility for that loss you are right as my experience tells me I did everything within my power including trying to coach are team to win that game.

4. I often am nice in my first attempt to correct a problem on my team, its when it falls on deaf ears that I adopt a harsh tone.

5. I did not run to any friends about your ban. Guava was in the game and messaged me on the forums, not the other way around, to let him handle it and I did so out of respect for guava. If it was not for your friend going to bat for you your ban would have probably been twice as long at least.

6. Your post are filled with ad hominem attacks, do not expect to be taken seriously.

SkyGirl
08-16-2010, 07:00 AM
holy crap i'm not reading all that but i'll assume you attempted to disagree with me

ladder is a competitive environment running in a bomber is wrong in said environment

i have no idea how you typed a small essay debating this

Well, by you not reading all of it, that kinda makes me think that you don't respect anyone else's opinions other than your own. Even though you choose not to, it's ok, no hurt feelings here, you certainly don't have to read it if you choose not to. I will still hold up my end of the deal.

elxir
08-16-2010, 07:00 AM
You are a liar .. I didnt run in a bomber .. I am consistently a double shot/hard armor/turbo loopy.

See me in game or hop on mumble with a recorder so that I can remind you what I truly think of you.

i'm not lying lol anyone who can work the code like nobo can probably find the proof easily enough

Beagle
08-16-2010, 07:01 AM
Sorry I didn't use the right word for you.
Yea these guys have me all stirred up.
The notion that Kuja can treat me or others like garbage because he's been playing much much longer and has done much much more is exactly the elitist mentality that I am telling you will eventually ruin the game and dwindle the player base to nothing.

The word thing was mainly light humour, don't sweat it

As for the rest, there is absoloutely no chance that it will ruin the game and dwindle the player base because 90% of the playerbase does not read the forums, they play the game, and 99% of the playerbase knows that even if Kuja says you should be banned for bombing backwards in a SFOD setup, it's not his call, it's Nobos. Search the forum for 'elitist, beagle, kuja900' and you'll see if anyone has argued with Kuja about it, it's me, and trust me when I say that when you get down to it, it's not something to waste your life on arguing about, just different opinions.

Again, this argument is unnecessary, talk to Nobo if you are worried about your place on ladder, otherwise this is just arguing for the sake of arguing. As bad as Kuja seems when you're on the other side of the fence he can be quite reasonable if you stay reasonable as well; the same could be said of most people, really.

elixir: Sky is just saying it's not your call as to what's wrong, it's nobos, and he's sorry if he offended you, he wants to be respectful as long as you are.

Evan20000
08-16-2010, 07:01 AM
This has got to be, hands down, the most absurd thread I've seen on the interwebs. This comes from someone who (rarely) visits THAT imageboard. Congrats guys, you've set a new standard. I hope we can be civil about this sort of thing in the future.

EDIT: Beagle, I love you. Have my kids.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 07:04 AM
This has got to be, hands down, the most absurd thread I've seen on the interwebs. This comes from someone who (rarely) visits THAT imageboard. Congrats guys, you've set a new standard. I hope we can be civil about this sort of thing in the future.

EDIT: Beagle, I love you. Have my kids.

Eh ladders are down anyway and forums are more active then they have been in a while a little debate is helpful now and then.

Beagle
08-16-2010, 07:05 AM
Eh ladders are down anyway and forums are more active then they have been in a while a little debate is helpful now and then.

Oh be honest, you don't feel a little dirty?

I feel dirty being in this thread

I feel all dirty and I need a soapy wash

wink

Evan20000
08-16-2010, 07:06 AM
Debate is healthy, but the number of blatantly wrong nazi comparisons and general name calling makes this look like 6th grade girls on a playground going at it.

EDIT: Ninja'd by bagle. I'll give you a wash. ;0

Smushface
08-16-2010, 07:06 AM
This has got to be, hands down, the most absurd thread I've seen on the interwebs. This comes from someone who (rarely) visits THAT imageboard. Congrats guys, you've set a new standard. I hope we can be civil about this sort of thing in the future.

EDIT: Beagle, I love you. Have my kids.

There will be no civility until you retract your previous statement about lazer you ****in nazi.

tgleaf
08-16-2010, 07:06 AM
Twenty posts ago Mikesol made a reasoned plea for civility and decency, which was largely ignored. Please don't continue in this vein or I will be forced to close the thread and/or hand out further infractions.

Evan20000
08-16-2010, 07:07 AM
There will be no civility until you retract your previous statement about lazer you ****in nazi.

First time today I smiled. Thank you very much.

elxir
08-16-2010, 07:07 AM
elixir: Sky is just saying it's not your call as to what's wrong, it's nobos, and he's sorry if he offended you, he wants to be respectful as long as you are.

well that's a lot easier to read

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 07:08 AM
Debate is healthy, but the number of blatantly wrong nazi comparisons and general name calling makes this look like 6th grade girls on a playground going at it.

EDIT: Ninja'd by bagle. I'll give you a wash. ;0

For the record I keep my post largely devoid of name calling as in my opinion it just weakens whatever point you are trying to make.

elxir
08-16-2010, 07:08 AM
Twenty posts ago Mikesol made a reasoned plea for civility and decency, which was largely ignored. Please don't continue in this vein or I will be forced to close the thread and/or hand out further infractions.

what is an infraction

edit: i figured it out. it's those things that keep york out of my life

CCN
08-16-2010, 07:08 AM
anyone have a tldr?

Evan20000
08-16-2010, 07:09 AM
For the record I keep my post largely devoid of name calling as in my opinion it just weakens whatever point you are trying to make.

Glad we agree on this. Logical points win arguments, not names and this passive aggressive bull****.

CCN: RAWHRAWH DRAMA! Too long?

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 07:10 AM
The word thing was mainly light humour, don't sweat it

As for the rest, there is absoloutely no chance that it will ruin the game and dwindle the player base because 90% of the playerbase does not read the forums, they play the game, and 99% of the playerbase knows that even if Kuja says you should be banned for bombing backwards in a SFOD setup, it's not his call, it's Nobos. Search the forum for 'elitist, beagle, kuja900' and you'll see if anyone has argued with Kuja about it, it's me, and trust me when I say that when you get down to it, it's not something to waste your life on arguing about, just different opinions.

Again, this argument is unnecessary, talk to Nobo if you are worried about your place on ladder, otherwise this is just arguing for the sake of arguing. As bad as Kuja seems when you're on the other side of the fence he can be quite reasonable if you stay reasonable as well; the same could be said of most people, really.

elixir: Sky is just saying it's not your call as to what's wrong, it's nobos, and he's sorry if he offended you, he wants to be respectful as long as you are.

Beagle .. you missed me. I'm not that concerned with what Kuja types on the forums, I'm just here to tell you that his type in-game of abuse / noob ridicule is so bad (he would not leave me alone and criticized me after everyone of his deaths, he called me retarded and then he called me a C*nt in a game where our team was failing) that it should be punished/avoided .

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 07:10 AM
anyone have a tldr?

Rah rah ah ah ah
Roma roma ma ah
Ga ga ooh la la

Evan20000
08-16-2010, 07:14 AM
Beagle .. you missed me. I'm not that concerned with what Kuja types on the forums, I'm just here to tell you that his type in-game of abuse / noob ridicule is so bad (he would not leave me alone and criticized me after everyone of his deaths, he called me retarded and then he called me a C*nt in a game where our team was failing) that it should be punished/avoided .

Did you even learn anything during our exchange earlier? Mute him if you have a problem with him. Telling us here about his (alleged) abuse won't change anything except get more mileage out of your keyboard.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 07:14 AM
Fishi, how you can call someone a weak shim and ask for more respect in the same paragraph; call someone a pathetic weak coward in the same sentence as saying 'that behavior is uncalled for' absoloutely astounds me, and I think you should chill out before you dig yourself deeper into a pit of infamy here

As much as I attack Kuja's maturity or rationale, I do so because I've known him for a very long time, and at the end of the day he will give respect where he thinks it is due, not because you throw a tantrum and call him a shemale

I hate when people say ... at the end of the day.

Also, Kuja will never treat people with respect regardless of what I say, so perhaps I was wasting my time typing it, but I thought I should give him some friendly advice in the same way he gave me some... tit for tat .. right?

Beagle
08-16-2010, 07:14 AM
I'm just here to tell you that his type in-game of abuse / noob ridicule is so bad (he would not leave me alone and criticized me after everyone of his deaths, he called me retarded and then he called me a C*nt in a game where our team was failing) that it should be punished/avoided .

No seriously trust me, we know, we've all known Kuja for ages

You know how those guys in America walk around with the signs that say GOD HATES FAGS and most of the gay guys just go 'eh' and get on with their lives? It's like that, not everyone gets on, not everyone has to. If Kuja can't expect you to change your playstyle to suit his expectations, you can't expect Kuja to change his personality to suit your expectations

And that's the end of that chapter, please, I thought we just ended this

Evan20000
08-16-2010, 07:16 AM
tit for tat .. right?

I must ask you, what has that EVER accomplished in life? We've gone on for 3 pages and absolutely nothing has changed. Be the bigger man next time.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 07:16 AM
Anyone who brings their team down despite requests from numerous members of said team to do something completely reasonable differently, that is not dependent on skill, is an absolute cunt.

No woman uses that word so brazenly.

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 07:17 AM
I hate when people say ... at the end of the day.

Also, Kuja will never treat people with respect regardless of what I say, so perhaps I was wasting my time typing it, but I thought I should give him some friendly advice in the same way he gave me some... tit for tat .. right?

Anyone who knows me knows I do not give out free respect but any one who earns it will know they have.

Beagle
08-16-2010, 07:17 AM
I hate when people say ... at the end of the day.

Also, Kuja will never treat people with respect regardless of what I say, so perhaps I was wasting my time typing it, but I thought I should give him some friendly advice in the same way he gave me some... tit for tat .. right?

All things said and done, when the cards come down, when the dust settles, Kuja treats me with respect despite the fact that he is a prominent and proud competitive elitist and I am a prominent and proud rev Biplane

You are not entitled to respect with everyone, sometimes you have to earn it.

If you want to give him 'tit for tat' do it privately between the two of you, not in a big show on the forums.

Now please KISS AND MAKE UP

Beagle
08-16-2010, 07:18 AM
No woman uses that word so brazenly.

You have never been to Australia

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 07:19 AM
No seriously trust me, we know, we've all known Kuja for ages

You know how those guys in America walk around with the signs that say GOD HATES FAGS and most of the gay guys just go 'eh' and get on with their lives? It's like that, not everyone gets on, not everyone has to. If Kuja can't expect you to change your playstyle to suit his expectations, you can't expect Kuja to change his personality to suit your expectations

And that's the end of that chapter, please, I thought we just ended this

So you are telling me that Kuja can call me a C*nt, openly on the forums and in-game, but that when I use profanity in-game I get a 2 day ladder ban and that when I use it on the forum I get a forum warning because he has been here longer.

Nah, that's not gonna fly without me trying to let a few people know about it .. because that is exactly what is going on here.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 07:20 AM
You have never been to Australia

Then if kuja is a woman, she must be an aussie :)

Beagle
08-16-2010, 07:21 AM
Nah, that's not gonna fly without me trying to let a few people know about it .. because that is exactly what is going on here.

Many of us have been down the same road before and I assure you you're bashing your head against a brick wall

The life lesson is don't stoop down to someone else's level; just because someone calls you a name and gets away with it doesn't mean you should call them names too

sunshineduck
08-16-2010, 07:22 AM
The ladder program somehow computes that you are my best teammate, but in reality, you are my worst teammate because when I play with you I hate every moment of your cocky arrogant snide attitude and I have a less fun time playing.

look fishi you know I love you and on any day I would love to be the surrogate father of your illegitimate jewish love children, but this hurr sentence in this hurr quote box is pretty much the center of everything you and the "veterans" are having a dong-swinging contest about.

your #1 priority in altitude is to have fun. I dig that, respect the hell out of that, and wish it was good enough for everyone so that we would stop typing these god damned thesis statements to each other. however, for the vast majority of ladder participants (myself included) the rating points that you care less about than personal enjoyment mean far, far more for us than for you. the ladder is meant to be a breeding ground for competition first, and personal entertainment second.

your best ladder teammate statistic reflects this - regardless of how much fun you're having while playing with kuja on your team, you inadverdently win the most ladder games when he is chuting down enemy plains as opposed yours. maybe you're trying to show up kuja by playing your best, maybe you benefit your team more when circling above your base typing angrily instead of trying to run the bomb, maybe kuja elevates his game when playing with you. whatever it is, it's not an incorrect statistic for the majority of the altitude "veterans" because they value competition and rating points over your personal enjoyment. the ladder formula does not give half a flying DODD how much fun you're having.

like I'm sure multiple people have told you before, ladder is not a place for fun-first minded people. if you want to run a bomb in a bomber, play on official #3. if you want to play against top-notch competition where emotions can run high and people can get narsty, come play ladder. it's pretty simple. until you accept the fact that if you play badly people are going to call you out on it and are not going to mince words, you're stuck between a rock and hurri's boxers.

/care

Kuja900
08-16-2010, 07:22 AM
So you are telling me that Kuja can call me a C*nt, openly on the forums and in-game, but that when I use profanity in-game I get a 2 day ladder ban and that when I use it on the forum I get a forum warning because he has been here longer.

Nah, that's not gonna fly without me trying to let a few people know about it .. because that is exactly what is going on here.

The difference is I did not bypass the swear filter and I did not direct it towards anybody as an insult.

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 07:23 AM
All things said and done, when the cards come down, when the dust settles, Kuja treats me with respect despite the fact that he is a prominent and proud competitive elitist and I am a prominent and proud rev Biplane

You are not entitled to respect with everyone, sometimes you have to earn it.

If you want to give him 'tit for tat' do it privately between the two of you, not in a big show on the forums.

Now please KISS AND MAKE UP

we have recently "friended" each other in-game so most of this will be kept outside the public eye from here on out. But again I would like to invite Kuja to scrape deep down into his budget and purchase a $12 microphone so that he can enjoy a thorough ear raping on mumble. Talk to me baby.

sunshineduck
08-16-2010, 07:23 AM
and yes, i posted that monologue about twenty minutes after everyone apparently made up

only sunshineduck could screw that up

/hattip

Fishibaron
08-16-2010, 07:24 AM
The difference is I did not bypass the swear filter and I did not direct it towards anybody as an insult.

your vulgarity has been reported and I hope you receive the same forum warning that I received. Fair is fair. As for the forum's filter, it should probably be on the lookout for c*nt. As for not directing at me, hahahaha.

God I love to hate you.