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zz-
11-07-2010, 01:19 AM
Do we even need to talk about why this is retarded and should be banned.

Edit: let me make at least one point so my post isn't completely void of content. Ball'n argues that his 2nd name (balln goes pew pew) is correctly rated since hes played a fair amount of games on it by now. but thats his "im not trying" name and so its rated 800-900 points below his other name.... but its not fair because he plays on that name when hes drunk/tired/high and sometimes does play "bad", so that keeps his rating in check. but say he's playing against me, or matt, or someone who is threatening his ladder position... well obviously this gives him the oppurtunity to play us with a free 900 points and keep OUR ratings in check. Because even if i played fantastically, and played 600 points above my current rating, teams would still be unbalanced in balln's favor if he were to try to keep me from winning and just play "regular". Which is exactly what happened today.

Another obvious issue is that to have even gotten his 2nd name to its "accurate" rating, he has essentially robbed the rest of the ladder of 5 or 600 points. the ladder is a zero sum game -- to move up in rating, you must steal points from the other team. Having multiple instances of the same player helps to destroy the accuracy and shrinks the overall range of ladder ratings

Evan20000
11-07-2010, 01:21 AM
Yes we do need to talk about it.

The admins have already ruled that it wasn't banworthy.

zz-
11-07-2010, 01:31 AM
Let me clarify that i want SMURFING to be banned, not the people currently doing it.

blln4lyf
11-07-2010, 01:33 AM
Because even if i played fantastically, and played 600 points above my current rating, teams would still be unbalanced in balln's favor if he were to try to keep me from winning and just play "regular". Which is exactly what happened today.

This never happened, your just butt sore you lost a game when I was on the other team.

Evan20000
11-07-2010, 01:34 AM
Kuja has been doing this for a while and nobody has cared.

In the image of Beagle:
http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/052/812/original/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif?1275684729

shrode
11-07-2010, 01:06 AM
not true. i have always cared and think it is obviously wrong and stupid. nobody can argue the fact that it creates unfair games. just ban the known smurf accounts from the ladder servers. nobody suffers at all from this move, and the world becomes a better place.

Evan20000
11-07-2010, 01:09 AM
I agree, but the admins don't seem to care enough to ban it. Actually, I think the issue is that they don't want to sort through all the accounts in an attempt to find smurfs instead of simply not caring.

... But you gotta admit the gif is awesome.

silent skies
11-07-2010, 01:35 AM
It did bring a certain je ne sais quois to the thread.

ryebone
11-07-2010, 05:16 AM
We've discussed it and there's a high probability smurf accounts will be banned for ladder season 2 if not earlier.


Also, I'm not 100% clear on the intricacies of the new rating system, but last I heard it will not be zero-sum, and may have additional features that discourage smurfing. Nobo knows more than me, but he refuses to tell me anything useful.

Kuja900
11-07-2010, 05:42 AM
We've discussed it and there's a high probability smurf accounts will be banned for ladder season 2 if not earlier.


Also, I'm not 100% clear on the intricacies of the new rating system, but last I heard it will not be zero-sum, and may have additional features that discourage smurfing. Nobo knows more than me, but he refuses to tell me anything useful.

For what reason would they be banned? Its only unfair for a week or so until the alts account rating climbs, viborg is sitting around rank 20ish now.

zz-
11-07-2010, 10:13 AM
Kuja, several things wrong with that.

#1, you're saying its only unfair until your rating gets accurate. That's not a great defense for smurfing, saying it only ruins a few DOZEN games. Per person who is doing it.

#2, because of exactly what happened yesterday. Balln out of nowhere plays at his full capacity (on his smurf name) in games where he wants to win and can ruin any game he wants to at any time.

http://www.altitudeladder.net/match.php?id=15264&mode=ball_6v6

Look at those teams. Balln, whether he admits it or not, tries much harder in games against me. Theres no way our team could possibly win that game with balln playing at full (2800ish) capacity with a free 900 rating points on his team. He ended that game with like 4 goals or so, and had a part in all 6. The game ended 6-4.


Anyway, i'm surprised any of you are trying to defend what would obviously be banned in any game with REAL competition. Just because altitude is a small game with most things being player-run doesn't mean you should do everything you can get away with. In the long run it just ruins competition and drives players who are more into other games (like me) away.

blln4lyf
11-07-2010, 02:47 PM
Lol zz, that still NEVER HAPPENED. Serious QQ going on.

Fartface
11-07-2010, 03:03 PM
To be honest I agree with zz. Ladder is supposed to be a competitive thing, so smurfing with a different ranking throws off the team balance and makes the experience less fun for everyone.

blln4lyf
11-07-2010, 03:05 PM
If they decide to ban it then so be it, I'm simply dispelling the lie zz keeps making up.

Smushface
11-07-2010, 03:11 PM
Hmm, I never thought about using smurfs to sabotage your competition. But then again, that is exactly the underhanded ploy that Kuja would use.

Sunaku
11-07-2010, 03:22 PM
If they decide to ban it then so be it, I'm simply dispelling the lie zz keeps making up.
Lies that you yourself admitted (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/altitude201011070225127.jpg/) in-game are my favorites.
Anyway, on the general subject, Zz has pretty much said it all. It's a clear intent to ruin at will the competition and while I couldn't care less about the rating per se, it severely hinders the teams balancing the system is trying to achieve.
The only problem in making it a basic rule is the possible elusiveness of the smurfing which can make the hunting tricky. But it doesn't mean it shouldn't be dealt with when clear cases present themselves.

shrode
11-07-2010, 06:18 PM
Well let's break it down like this.

Pro's of smurfing:
-The people smurfing get their e-peen a little harder having 2 names in the top 50 instead of just one
-The people smurfing can relax a little?
-Karl and Lamster potentially make more $?

Con's of smurfing:
-Negatively effects balance of games until the proper rating is reached. (absolutely undeniable)
-Players on smurfs can potentially play worse or better to affect ratings of others without really affecting their own rating. (absolutely undeniable that it could potentially happen)
-People cannot see how they truly stand in the ladder. They aren't the 49th best player like it says, they are the 47th with two retarded smurfs chillin above them.
-They keep their rating at the level they were playing instead of the level they are playing. Player might be on a slump but their real account won't feel a thing.
-I'm sure there are others.

As we can all see, there is no real reason to NOT permaban them, and a few reasons to do so. I'm not saying ban kuja or {ball}'n, i'm only saying ban viborg and pew pew (and others im sure people know about)

Stormich
11-07-2010, 09:20 PM
Don't see a problem in smurfing, why shouldn't people be able to play on whatever account they choose? Just treat the player as he just started playing ladder. Sure it's gonna imbalance teams for some time, but thats how climbing in ladder is done. One team is always imbalanced.

Kuja900
11-07-2010, 11:56 PM
I paid for 2 accounts I have the right to play on whatever account I like.

Wok3N^
11-08-2010, 12:02 AM
Ladder is a private server run by the community. They choose if you have the right or not.

Kuja900
11-08-2010, 12:12 AM
Ladder is a private server run by the community. They choose if you have the right or not.

There are also multiple people who play on the viborg account just fyi.

Pieface
11-08-2010, 12:17 AM
There are also multiple people who play on the viborg account just fyi.

What? You realize that just further negates your point, right? Having different people play on an account ensures that it will never settle at a ranking that represents the person playing at any time. As Woken said, you don't have any "right" to play in a private server just because you payed for the game. Didn't you make that exact argument when banning Fillichio or someone from Proleague recently?

nobodyhome
11-08-2010, 12:18 AM
There are also multiple people who play on the viborg account just fyi.

That... actually makes it worse.

Kuja900
11-08-2010, 12:39 AM
I am just letting people know viborg is a shared account I use to let my personal friends play the game, none of which play in ladder but may in the future when they improve.

shrode
11-08-2010, 03:32 AM
which is even more reason to NOT use it now. let them start with a clean slate. this 'argument' if u want to call it that is getting ridiculous. there is no reason to not ban known smurf accounts.

elxir
11-08-2010, 03:54 AM
i think they are fine and amusing

stop being babies and go outside or something

CCN
11-08-2010, 10:35 AM
Bring up my argument of training 2 different plane compositions - ergo sinstar trying to play non trick vs an account where sinstar plays trick

Evan20000
11-08-2010, 10:44 AM
My whale is pro and you know it CCN.

Void
11-08-2010, 12:03 PM
So people are really creating second accounts in order to defend their #1 spot on ladder? smh..

andy
11-08-2010, 12:31 PM
So your friend will have his first ladder game on a 2000 account?

Kuja900
11-08-2010, 01:55 PM
So your friend will have his first ladder game on a 2000 account?

I said I am not allowing him to ladder until he is ready.

Stormich
11-08-2010, 01:58 PM
On a side note, banning smurfs from ladder is one step from banning people using multiple perks/planes. I mean lets take Sin as an example, a pro trickster who is mediocre to bad at everything else. Him picking any other setup is going to misrepresent his ranking just as someone smurfing. Fascist advent? DUM DUM DUM

V
I hate that movie.

mikesol
11-08-2010, 02:47 PM
I think part of this issue could potentially be solved by having ladder rankings change over time. I don't know how many of you played World of Warcraft - but the system in there was that you had to play at least 10 games a week to get credit for it. In other words, if someone gets to their top spot and then leaves - they would be removed from the rankings until they played 10 games again. This is to prevent people from getting a great number of points and clouding up space.

Note: Let's say Kuja is at 2500 and decides not to play for a week. When he comes back his rating will still be at 2500. He just won't be listed in the actual rankings until 10 games a week have been played (or we could do like 5 games a week if people think 10 is too much).

[Y]
11-08-2010, 02:53 PM
10 games isn't too much

gogo

Evan20000
11-08-2010, 03:09 PM
On a side note, banning smurfs from ladder is one step from banning people using multiple perks/planes. I mean lets take Sin as an example, a pro trickster who is mediocre to bad at everything else. Him picking any other setup is going to misrepresent his ranking just as someone smurfing. Fascist advent? DUM DUM DUM

V
I hate that movie.

I knew you were a kind person. ^_^ The truth is "bad to godawful at everything else"

Teething
11-08-2010, 03:17 PM
Main issue with smurfs is the ability to throw games. Which is against Ladder rules. So if someone is using a smurf account and they throw a game and we know who it is, both should be banned. If they're doing it for a different set up/ take others ranks down, it will be obvious, because they're trying. Otherwise I don't really see an issue with handing out bans to multiple accounts to hit the user in question.

Stormich
11-08-2010, 03:47 PM
Main issue with smurfs is the ability to throw games. Which is against Ladder rules. So if someone is using a smurf account and they throw a game and we know who it is, both should be banned. If they're doing it for a different set up/ take others ranks down, it will be obvious, because they're trying. Otherwise I don't really see an issue with handing out bans to multiple accounts to hit the user in question.

Oh yes, I agree completely. People doing stuff like this to undermine the system should be banned, even permad imo. But if people just want to rerank, learn a new plane I don't really see an issue. Also being first doesn't matter much, you wont get any money, any prize and your bragging rights will be to a small indie community lol

Teething
11-08-2010, 03:53 PM
Oh yes, I agree completely. People doing stuff like this to undermine the system should be banned, even permad imo. But if people just want to rerank, learn a new plane I don't really see an issue. Also being first doesn't matter much, you wont get any money, any prize and your bragging rights will be to a small indie community lol

That's still worth it to some people. I think it's ok to attempt to alter peoples ranks, that's the point of the rank system. Throwing games is against the rules already, just got to have people willing to track and figure out who's who

andy
11-08-2010, 04:21 PM
So technically if i wanted to get an account where i just played laser and didnt have to cycle through every plane as my team needs i could do it? Without throwing games, just to see how the rating would be if I only played 1 plane instead of adapting, or do you have to keep the same playstyle also on the smurf.

Smushface
11-08-2010, 04:41 PM
This is a stupid discussion.

Use common sense people. Ladder exists so people can have a competitive outlet other than Sundays during leagues.

If your actions deliberately detract from the overall ladder experience, then what you do is in effect, bannable. Quit trying to find scummy ways to get around the rules just so you can get a leg up or for some added internet attention.

Don't use smurfs to rig games. Don't use smurfs to screw up balance. It's not that hard.

andy
11-08-2010, 07:19 PM
People wont do it if you dont ban them. I dont think kuja will just stop playing ladder on viborg just because it screws up the balance. If you dont wanna go for the ban at least make sure that the account is used in a serious way (example kuja plays explo not loopy on kuja900 but mixes them on viborg). Im not blaming kuja just using him as an example. My previous post was also an example didnt mean to use a smurf.

nobodyhome
11-08-2010, 08:09 PM
The main issue why smurfing really shouldn't be allowed is that each ladder entry should represent one person, not just one account. It makes no sense for Kuja to be simultaneously the #20 and the #30 player (and as has been mentioned, when that happens, the 31st player is really the 30th player, and so on).

With regards to the usage of different planes for different accounts, this shouldn't matter because the ladder entries still represent a player, and not a player's playstyle. This is especially true since people can and do switch planes in the middle of a game. Switching from playing miranda exclusively to playing both randa and other planes should be treated no differently than if you were to, say, go from never bomb running to always bomb running. Your rating will drop but that is because you have made a conscious choice to change your playstyle, not because your skill is different.

zz-
11-09-2010, 03:56 PM
Why is everyone ignoring this:


#2, because of exactly what happened yesterday. Balln out of nowhere plays at his full capacity (on his smurf name) in games where he wants to win and can ruin any game he wants to at any time.

http://www.altitudeladder.net/match....&mode=ball_6v6

Look at those teams. Balln, whether he admits it or not, tries much harder in games against me. Theres no way our team could possibly win that game with balln playing at full (2800ish) capacity with a free 900 rating points on his team. He ended that game with like 4 goals or so, and had a part in all 6. The game ended 6-4.


Anyway, i'm surprised any of you are trying to defend what would obviously be banned in any game with REAL competition. Just because altitude is a small game with most things being player-run doesn't mean you should do everything you can get away with. In the long run it just ruins competition and drives players who are more into other games (like me) away.
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I suppose more of you would feel the same way if you were in the top 5, chasing #1, playing against #1 on a different name with a 2000 rating where he is trying as hard as he can.

Kuja900
11-09-2010, 04:03 PM
People wont do it if you dont ban them. I dont think kuja will just stop playing ladder on viborg just because it screws up the balance. If you dont wanna go for the ban at least make sure that the account is used in a serious way (example kuja plays explo not loopy on kuja900 but mixes them on viborg). Im not blaming kuja just using him as an example. My previous post was also an example didnt mean to use a smurf.

You are speaking without understanding. I absolutely play loopy on kuja900 all the time in ladder, although I have not laddered at all in past week been too busy.

Kuja900
11-09-2010, 04:04 PM
This is a stupid discussion.

Use common sense people. Ladder exists so people can have a competitive outlet other than Sundays during leagues.

If your actions deliberately detract from the overall ladder experience, then what you do is in effect, bannable. Quit trying to find scummy ways to get around the rules just so you can get a leg up or for some added internet attention.

Don't use smurfs to rig games. Don't use smurfs to screw up balance. It's not that hard.

And if we are not using smurfs for either of those reasons what is the problem?

Premier Stalin
11-09-2010, 04:14 PM
Why do you feel the need to use them in the first place?

Unless you were using them for detrimental purposes, why would you use a smurf?

zz-
11-09-2010, 04:22 PM
There are no legitimate reasons to use a smurf account. They do 3 things:

1 - let you have two or more names on the ladder. Everyone agrees this is a bad thing.

2 - let you play games with a separate rating than your main name. Everyone should understand that this is a bad thing.

3 - play ladder with a different name. Since you can edit your name on any account once per day, this reason is hardly worth mentioning.

And for anyone saying they use a smurf so they can just mess around in ladder, well that's already a blurry line (whether or not not trying is bannable) and there are servers for playing when you don't want to harm your ladder ranking - dojo, arr servers, bouncy servers. Ladder is supposed to be competitive and smurfing damages that in like 100 ways.

Smushface
11-09-2010, 06:14 PM
And if we are not using smurfs for either of those reasons what is the problem?

Yea we both know that you're doing it for at least one of those reasons.

Regardless, even though you may claim (and may honestly believe in your demented head) that your actions are neutral, they produce negative externalities on the rest of the community.

Kuja900
11-09-2010, 07:29 PM
There are no legitimate reasons to use a smurf account. They do 3 things:

1 - let you have two or more names on the ladder. Everyone agrees this is a bad thing.

2 - let you play games with a separate rating than your main name. Everyone should understand that this is a bad thing.

3 - play ladder with a different name. Since you can edit your name on any account once per day, this reason is hardly worth mentioning.

And for anyone saying they use a smurf so they can just mess around in ladder, well that's already a blurry line (whether or not not trying is bannable) and there are servers for playing when you don't want to harm your ladder ranking - dojo, arr servers, bouncy servers. Ladder is supposed to be competitive and smurfing damages that in like 100 ways.

I do not care about harming my ladder rating and to get good games I have to play ladder, its the only server next to apl servers that I bother with these days.

Wok3N^
11-09-2010, 07:54 PM
If you don't care about harming your ladder rating, then just play on your main account. That way, it doesn't make a difference and you aren't harming other people's ratings by hurting the balance. It is quite simple.

Kuja900
11-09-2010, 08:00 PM
If you don't care about harming your ladder rating, then just play on your main account. That way, it doesn't make a difference and you aren't harming other people's ratings by hurting the balance. It is quite simple.

Nah I don't care about rating at all on viborg so I can just play stress free but still optimally.

Sunaku
11-09-2010, 08:13 PM
Nah I don't care about rating at all on viborg so I can just play stress free but still optimally.
Does not compute.

Boko
11-09-2010, 08:34 PM
I paid for 2 accounts I have the right to play on whatever account I like.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2866/whatevah8wv.jpg

Whateva! I do what I want!
Fitting picture don't you think?

shrode
11-09-2010, 09:24 PM
There are no legitimate reasons to use a smurf account. They do 3 things:

1 - let you have two or more names on the ladder. Everyone agrees this is a bad thing.

2 - let you play games with a separate rating than your main name. Everyone should understand that this is a bad thing.

3 - play ladder with a different name. Since you can edit your name on any account once per day, this reason is hardly worth mentioning.

And for anyone saying they use a smurf so they can just mess around in ladder, well that's already a blurry line (whether or not not trying is bannable) and there are servers for playing when you don't want to harm your ladder ranking - dojo, arr servers, bouncy servers. Ladder is supposed to be competitive and smurfing damages that in like 100 ways.

<3

great post. this is even better than my pros and cons

-MH-CaptainVogez
11-09-2010, 09:48 PM
I think part of this issue could potentially be solved by having ladder rankings change over time. I don't know how many of you played World of Warcraft - but the system in there was that you had to play at least 10 games a week to get credit for it. In other words, if someone gets to their top spot and then leaves - they would be removed from the rankings until they played 10 games again. This is to prevent people from getting a great number of points and clouding up space.

Note: Let's say Kuja is at 2500 and decides not to play for a week. When he comes back his rating will still be at 2500. He just won't be listed in the actual rankings until 10 games a week have been played (or we could do like 5 games a week if people think 10 is too much).

If this system is proposed and used, in lieu of the entire discussion previous, 10 games is a tad too much every week I believe, as I rock up online a lot of the time and noone is in the servers due to it being their midnight (the day before me) and they're either getting drunk or sleeping.

Also, if nobo has a good solution to this slight problem, then i look forward to its implementation.

CCN
11-10-2010, 05:45 AM
With regards to the usage of different planes for different accounts, this shouldn't matter because the ladder entries still represent a player, and not a player's playstyle. This is especially true since people can and do switch planes in the middle of a game. Switching from playing miranda exclusively to playing both randa and other planes should be treated no differently than if you were to, say, go from never bomb running to always bomb running. Your rating will drop but that is because you have made a conscious choice to change your playstyle, not because your skill is different.

If you are fine with players always bouncing up and down the rankings and thus making games lopsided as a result then thats you're call. I like to play my randa and loopy and switch intermittently, I guess i'll get used to always winning on loopy and losing on Miranda, and my team will have to get used to that also.

Ladder entries represent a play style. If you want to change that to represent a player then you are making sure people can't reach their equilibrium rating. I.e. Idra doesn't terran on his zerg account so he gets appropriate level games on his zerg and terran account

Kuja900
11-10-2010, 06:36 AM
<3

great post. this is even better than my pros and cons

That point made no sense there are absolutely no good games in those servers ever in the history of their existence. I do not play public servers anymore for the most part, ladder is pretty much all I do when I play and its because it is the only place I can find good games.

Valandil
11-10-2010, 08:27 AM
That point made no sense there are absolutely no good games in those servers ever in the history of their existence. I do not play public servers anymore for the most part, ladder is pretty much all I do when I play and its because it is the only place I can find good games.

In my opinion there are good games in some public servers, but if you don't play in those ones you can't know it. :(

And if you want to play good games, that means you have to play good right ? Therefore why are you not playing with only one account ?
(Dont give me the "Stress free" excuse)
Don't care about rating just play stress free

>Not in ladder< imo ;)

Val.

CCN
11-10-2010, 08:49 AM
In my opinion there are good games in some public servers, but if you don't play in those ones you can't know it. :(

And if you want to play good games, that means you have to play good right ? Therefore why are you not playing with only one account ?
(Dont give me the "Stress free" excuse)


>Not in ladder< imo ;)

Val.

No........................

Boko
11-10-2010, 09:19 AM
Kuja is referring to good TBD games (Dojo and Arr are ball servers and I won't get into the bouncy part. ugh)

shrode
11-10-2010, 09:25 AM
i also agree that there are not good games outside of ladder and leagues, but still, the reasons that people play on smurfs that zz pointed out are terrible, and everybody agrees that they have at least a little negative impact. (even kuja stated once in-game that smurfs mess up game balance for at least a little while)

selfishly wanting to play 'stress free' or have two high rated accounts to make your e-peen bigger is simply less important than the should-be right of having the number next to your name be the number of people that are doing better than you + 1.

Boko
11-10-2010, 10:09 AM
I think smurfs should be disallowed, but I don't think there's a bulletproof way of filtering them out. How will you ever know if a certain account is someone's smurf?

Valandil
11-10-2010, 10:15 AM
Kuja is referring to good TBD games (Dojo and Arr are ball servers and I won't get into the bouncy part. ugh)

Oh 'kay I was referring to Ball games :rolleyes: .

I had already forgotten there was a TBD mode :D

VipMattMan
11-10-2010, 03:23 PM
Smurf accounts are definitely going to have to be banned for season 2, if not sooner. I said this before i saw this thread today, but Balln's second account was influencing too many games with that much lower rating.

When Ball'n got #1 a couple of weeks ago i told him he should play his smurf until someone got his spot. I viewed it as the equivalent of a new player coming in who was incorrectly rated, and thought he'd try to quickly get the smurf to where his main was for bragging rights purposes. Instead it became an account that was lacking in incentive for him to play his hardest on.

The account floated around #30 despite him playing all the time. He said it was correctly rated because he wasn't as focused on that account. That would be all well and good if he was consistently "unfocused" on that account. The truth is it seemed he played to his capacity more frequently when there were specific challengers going against him, and less so when there weren't.

I don't think he was consciously sabotaging anyone. He's been encouraging of me while i try to get #1 back, and did seem to play to his full capacity occasionally while on my team. It's just human nature to not try as hard when there's no incentive, and to try harder when the incentive is there.

To see the level of influence that account had, all you have to do is look at what happened in the past day or two. Balln said he got tired of people talking about the smurf account being rated too low, and instantly shot up the ratings to #12. What games were lost and won while he floated around #30 were almost at his discretion.

Now that the account is starting to get more appropriately rated i don't have as much of an issue with him playing on it for right now. Even though the incentive still isn't totally there for him, at least the teams won't be completely skewed. But smurfs definitely need to be banned in the future.

CCN
11-10-2010, 03:31 PM
I agree smurf accounts where people are playing their same style serve no purpose other then to distort rankings.

beefheart
11-10-2010, 03:33 PM
Yeah, so everyone just stop playing with your smurfs.

CCN
11-10-2010, 03:42 PM
Yeah, so everyone just stop playing with your smurfs.

unless ur playing a different plane style setup.

Agleed.

drunkguava
11-10-2010, 03:42 PM
I agree smurf accounts where people are playing their same style serve no purpose other then to distort rankings.

Yup ccns splitting of accouts is the only way that makes sense to me. Though if we do decide to ban smurfs, I don't know if we will differentiate.

And Matt I agree 100%

blln4lyf
11-10-2010, 04:39 PM
Yup ccns splitting of accouts is the only way that makes sense to me. Though if we do decide to ban smurfs, I don't know if we will differentiate.

And Matt I agree 100%

The plan originally was to play other planes on my smurf, aka TA/loopy, maybe some other plane if I wanted to learn it. That faded though. My smurf is not really underrated anymore though so most of the issues that could be are eliminated for the time being. Once S2 comes along I'm sure they will be banned, and I clearly won't be playing ladder with it, unless for some reason the differentiating is done, then I will only TA/loopy with it, or something along those lines.

Sunaku
11-10-2010, 06:12 PM
I don't get that different playstyles argument. As Nobo said, the rating is there to represent a player. Assuming the rating's intent is to show the skill of a player and even if the result is questionable (not to say crazy), why would playing a subpar setup not be reflected on your rating ? Either you play an uncomfortable setup and you must be ready to face the consequences, or you play it elsewhere than ladder.

And to underline the fact that the rating is not synonym to playstyle, I'll submit to your consideration the plane composition factor. The competition in ladder is more than camping on your favorite plane and perks, it's also adaptating to an ever-changing environment. As a result, sometimes your team might use your ability to differ from your monolithic playstyle.

But smurfs definitely need to be banned in the future now.
Fixed. Really, the ladder balancing, which is the system essence in its current form, is ruined at the moment. Which is why action is required right now, not in the future.

Boko
11-10-2010, 06:41 PM
How are you tuff bois gonna know which accounts are smurfs?

matattack
11-12-2010, 03:41 PM
Yea unfortunately I think kujas smurf has already done the damage. Now viborg is probably rated at it's correctish rank..the only issue as nobo said it it shifts everyone else below viborg down 1 rank. Which I guess could mean srsbsns for a lot of you guys. Tho I see that's bad, I think the damage in fairness of ladder already got messed up and that issue can't really be all that bad now. Balln's case I don't know much about but if it is in the process of screwing with ranks I would stop it sooner rather than later..

I guess there arnt many ways to make this fair in the end tho..smurfing is bad because it's a conscious understanding that you know how you are effecting the balance of games and yet it doesn't matter because it does not effect yourself but in all honesty if you really did not care about ranks kuja, you wouldn't need that casual account..just play kuja casually if that's the case right? Well obviously that wouldn't happen as much as you say you do just to make people think you play better then how you normally play..anyways im pretty sure kuja and any other smurfers know what theyre doing is wrong so either ban em for a certain time when that account is for sure a smurf account, or just let it be and eventually everything shifts back into place..cause in the end, people will play drunk, high, or anything that could potentially screw it up for the team..so it's not like the ladder rank defines exactly where you are.

Kuja900
11-12-2010, 03:50 PM
Yea unfortunately I think kujas smurf has already done the damage. Now viborg is probably rated at it's correctish rank..the only issue as nobo said it it shifts everyone else below viborg down 1 rank. Which I guess could mean srsbsns for a lot of you guys. Tho I see that's bad, I think the damage in fairness of ladder already got messed up and that issue can't really be all that bad now. Balln's case I don't know much about but if it is in the process of screwing with ranks I would stop it sooner rather than later..

I guess there arnt many ways to make this fair in the end tho..smurfing is bad because it's a conscious understanding that you know how you are effecting the balance of games and yet it doesn't matter because it does not effect yourself but in all honesty if you really did not care about ranks kuja, you wouldn't need that casual account..just play kuja casually if that's the case right? Well obviously that wouldn't happen as much as you say you do just to make people think you play better then how you normally play..anyways im pretty sure kuja and any other smurfers know what theyre doing is wrong so either ban em for a certain time when that account is for sure a smurf account, or just let it be and eventually everything shifts back into place..cause in the end, people will play drunk, high, or anything that could potentially screw it up for the team..so it's not like the ladder rank defines exactly where you are.

I am pretty sure you did not read anything I or anyone else said before you typed this ignorant piece of work.

ufo
11-12-2010, 05:59 PM
but in all honesty if you really did not care about ranks kuja, you wouldn't need that casual account..just play kuja casually if that's the case right?

I read the whole thread and I couldn't have worded this any better myself. kuj grow the **** up