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nobodyhome
11-27-2010, 02:28 AM
anyone have good reliable europe servers? PM me.

elxir
11-27-2010, 02:30 AM
oh no u don't nobo

andy
11-27-2010, 11:10 AM
You still need direct access to the server right?

nobodyhome
11-27-2010, 08:50 PM
yes i need to be able to put files onto the server and run them.

andy
11-28-2010, 02:26 PM
theres no way someone else can do it for you? If you give them the instructions and the files..

nobodyhome
11-28-2010, 07:04 PM
no. i've already explained this many times. i have to be able to access the servers on a regular basis for resetting the servers, updating code, maintenance, etc.

andy
11-29-2010, 12:49 AM
ill try and ask if you could be able to do it, i doubt they will give access to someone else but i will try.

nobodyhome
01-06-2011, 10:00 PM
bumpity bump.

Ingbo
01-07-2011, 02:56 AM
plz get this done, would be nice to shut up the QQers that constantly lag whine lol

ufo
01-07-2011, 03:20 AM
plz get this done so I can incessantly lag bomb

Ingbo
01-07-2011, 03:28 AM
ye like thats gona be enuff 6-21 avg ratio aint too hot bro

ufo
01-07-2011, 03:34 AM
i heard big ratio=big peen

sunshineduck
01-07-2011, 03:39 AM
ufo actually averages .2 more exp per 10 mins than ingbo

lol

Ingbo
01-07-2011, 03:43 AM
win win for everyone then, ill get down to my 1750 deserved rating ufo top 3 instantly booom! now whos setting this up? think andy had a server once or something ask him? i dont know anything about these kinds of things.

ufo
01-07-2011, 03:46 AM
ingbo best miranda imo

Ingbo
01-07-2011, 03:47 AM
mine 2, kuja best loopy tho :/
edit: actually no just realized ufo best randa he just cant lag abuse. kuja still best loopy tho

Stormich
01-07-2011, 07:05 AM
Relax guys. Don't make me get up from mah bed.

SnipErlite
08-25-2011, 11:52 AM
Just stopping by to bump this thread and ask, did anything come of andy asking if nobo could get access?

I'm guessing no, since there isn't one, but...a european ladder would be freakin' awesome

Solqom
09-09-2011, 02:16 PM
How much would it cost to rent a EU server per month? I'm sure there are more than a few EU players who wouldn't mind contributing/donating to get a EU ladder up (I certainly would).

tomato man
09-09-2011, 03:00 PM
nobo, i would ask this to Nol, he made the best/most popular eu tbd/1dm/ball servers, and im sure he would help you without problems..

ledow
09-10-2011, 11:30 AM
I'd do it, and a load of people have tried to get me to do it, but it's really the access that's the problem. Personally, I don't see the interest in ladder, but the killer is really needing to run pretty much arbitrary code, that's updated whenever someone else wants, with whatever they want. It doesn't take a genius to realise that it would be quite easy to compromise the server (or leave it open to compromise by shoddy programming), or even do something silly like get into fork-bombs, infinite loops, filling up logs, etc. just by accident.

The costs of the server aren't a problem - hell you can run Altitude in the cheapest of Virtual Servers, or over any half-decent connection (some European countries have 100Mbps-to-the-home as standard) just not 100% reliably. If you wanted to do it properly, / 50 a month would be overkill and allow you to run any number of servers, but you could do it for 10 a month with a decent VS host (Tagadab's cheapest VS's held up quite well for a server I set up for a friend). The problem is that if you start getting chucked off your VS host because of ToS violations, or hitting infinite loops and interfering with other customers etc.

Even as a limited user, with everything locked down, there's an awful lot of mischief you can cause, even accidentally. If I have a server, then I've signed a contract saying I'm responsible for it, for traffic-overage, etc. and so it's a big problem to then trust a random stranger on the Internet with basically complete control over what happens on your server under their username.

The only way it would happen would be under a complete chroot environment, with quotas and all sorts of other controls, and even then there's STILL the possibly of interfering with other services on the server and/or doing things against the terms of the server.

And when you consider what ladder does, it really doesn't *NEED* that sort of power - a limited script, that can be audited, and doesn't need updating (or only needs updating-by-proxy by passing changes to the relevant admin) isn't that far-fetched. Hell, stick the code up on a website somewhere and provide a on-line update as a Linux package is infinitely preferable to only being able to hand admin off to a complete stranger.

When it gets updated, I can download and do a quick diff on the package and see what changed and be pretty sure that it's safe to deploy. I don't think people would care that Europe ladder was off for a day while it catches up with rest-of-the-world ladder. But just handing off complete control to a stranger is a no-go for me, personally, and would be for anyone paying a lot for their servers or running other (non-Altitude) stuff on them.

I see no reason that the ladder code can't be put online somewhere (even if access is secured to only ladder servers) and have admins "pull" updates when convenient to them, on their own schedule, giving them time to look at what the code does, etc. If that happened, I'd be infinitely more likely to start up a Euro ladder server. But allowing someone to access the server, probably with things like PHP and database access, is just asking for trouble - even if they never do anything deliberately malicious.

phong
09-16-2011, 07:09 PM
What a waste of text.

yankinlk
01-23-2012, 08:56 AM
pm sent chars

A Nipple
01-23-2012, 04:33 PM
What a waste of text.

all he had to write was 'I dont have the access'. If you were his english teacher you'd spend years reading his essay submissions. lol

phong
01-23-2012, 04:47 PM
Euro server up as of today, sent info to nobo

Ribilla
01-23-2012, 04:55 PM
Euro server up as of today, sent info to nobo

/worship...

Ingbo
01-23-2012, 05:30 PM
omfg cant wait to lag whine sick work :D
edit: btw dmcm now that u finally have servers u dont lag on urself, are u still not gona qq about lag?

DMCM
01-23-2012, 05:36 PM
This is amazing news

Ingbo, I will answer you when my ban expires, but I have alraedy broken the no-lag-qq resolution a few times. Oh well, new year resolution are meant to be broken.

Ingbo
01-23-2012, 05:37 PM
lol fair enough :D

wolf'j'max
01-23-2012, 06:17 PM
I BLAME USA *trying to ssd it up*

DJ Nightost
01-23-2012, 06:34 PM
Wait, we now got a EU ladder!!?

Wyrd
01-25-2012, 03:36 PM
All hail the Phong and the Nobo! Woooh!

phong
02-01-2012, 12:26 PM
Someone please try to host a game on the eu ladder #1 server and see if the stats are submitted to the website.

I believe the eu ladder server has the same name as the us ladder server so look for the one with less (or more) lag for now.

General Gee
02-01-2012, 12:27 PM
Best day ever <3

AzzedariuSuiradezza
02-01-2012, 01:17 PM
Woop woop!

SPeciaL
02-01-2012, 02:00 PM
please make max ping 350 :(

TwistedDuck
02-01-2012, 02:17 PM
180ms! HOLY S*** AWESOME JOB PHONG!

General Gee
02-01-2012, 03:58 PM
This was first match on EU Bladder http://www.altitudeladder.com/match.php?id=3771&mode=ball_6v6

Only issue I can see is that it says that the time it was played is not right in GMT. Was played at 16:33 GMT not 17:33

But thank you thank you thank you :cool:

Premier Stalin
02-01-2012, 04:01 PM
180ms! HOLY S*** AWESOME JOB PHONG!

Thats a good thing?

wolf'j'max
02-01-2012, 04:24 PM
Thats a good thing?

he's from india?

Slender
02-01-2012, 04:57 PM
usausausausa

TwistedDuck
02-01-2012, 05:35 PM
Thats a good thing?

yeh, it is, a good ping after so many years

phong
02-01-2012, 05:35 PM
Please post a ping time and where you're located (if you're eu)

Ribilla
02-01-2012, 05:38 PM
22ms, Cambridge, UK.

(I have a very good connection though).

Tekn0
02-01-2012, 07:13 PM
GTFOLEMMEIN waitingo n autojoin for an hour!

yankinlk
02-01-2012, 07:38 PM
Please post a ping time and where you're located (if you're eu)

I get 13-50ms in the lower left corner next to FPS - higher in the tabbed window. Ireland

thankuthankuthanku

DJ Nightost
02-01-2012, 08:08 PM
38. Denmark

mjolnir416
02-01-2012, 08:31 PM
Where is the server?

trendy11one
02-01-2012, 08:56 PM
I had 66 jumping to 90 sometimes 7 hours ago.
Moscow, Russia

phong
02-01-2012, 09:35 PM
Dublin, Ireland (Amazon AWS EC2)

Tekn0
02-01-2012, 10:34 PM
47 Germany.

lakospeter91
02-01-2012, 10:37 PM
78-80ms, Hungary.

wolf'j'max
02-01-2012, 10:48 PM
A steady 30-32ms, Netherlands - Amsterdam.

Flight 666
02-01-2012, 10:48 PM
that was dumb.

230 brazil, rio.

wolf'j'max
02-01-2012, 10:50 PM
that was dumb.

230 brazil, rio.

Only had to post it if you are from Europe flighty ^.^

Slender
02-01-2012, 11:22 PM
Only had to post it if you are from Europe flighty ^.^

Who cares

235ms Costa Rica, I unapprove EU ladder

k

Kaji
02-01-2012, 11:41 PM
usausausausa

^I approve this message.

wolf'j'max
02-02-2012, 11:53 AM
Who cares


Please post a ping time and where you're located (if you're eu)

Dot dot dot.

Ingbo
02-02-2012, 01:17 PM
umea, sweden, 61 ping(ish)

beefheart
02-02-2012, 01:43 PM
28

Wageningen, The Netherlands


ps. Thanks a lot!

JWhatever
02-02-2012, 04:01 PM
67-74ms
Finland

-J

mjolnir416
02-02-2012, 07:57 PM
Any way we can get end game messeges to be sent to the servers both to and from the euro ones?

AzzedariuSuiradezza
02-02-2012, 09:01 PM
Any way we can get end game messeges to be sent to the servers both to and from the euro ones?

This, and maybe a second ball ladder? It's hard getting a second ladder running when the majority are europlayers who don't want to play on US lag.

leoman
02-02-2012, 10:33 PM
18 ms
UK, Sheffield.

yankinlk
02-03-2012, 06:54 AM
What is the ip of the euro server? I tried the ip listed in the tabbed window, but it doesn't reply to ping.

lakospeter91
02-03-2012, 07:48 AM
Just a guess, but the IP can be right nonetheless, because responding to the ping command can be turned off.

yankinlk
02-03-2012, 08:13 AM
Yes, that's correct. The problem was yesterday, the ip listed was in Japan(JP) in region Southern and Eastern Asia.

Looks like phong updated the ip that is listed to the correct one. I can see the inex and amazon now. Thanks!

Xorg
02-03-2012, 12:34 PM
100-120ms Belarus.

Xorg x]

StygMa
02-03-2012, 01:07 PM
45-50ms, The Netherlands

Nikon
02-06-2012, 07:43 PM
Why isn't the newest version of ball_reef on the EU servers, when it is on the USA servers.

Solqom
02-09-2012, 06:50 PM
EU servers are down. :[

phong
02-09-2012, 07:19 PM
{"port":-1,"time":627522720,"type":"updatePrepareRestart"}

idk
02-10-2012, 11:57 AM
{"port":-1,"time":627522720,"type":"updatePrepareRestart"}

Is it you or Nobo that have access to the server for euroladder?

Shouldnt you have access to the server, since you got your hands on that string from the serverlogs? So why isnt it updated yet? :(

yankinlk
02-10-2012, 05:24 PM
please do not anger the eurobladder gods. have patience.

idk
02-10-2012, 05:37 PM
please do not anger the eurobladder gods. have patience.

What do I need to say to make people not feel offended? "Please" "Could you be so kind?"

Im not here to oppress anyone. Ive tried to find a reason to oppress anyone for years but I've never find one. If you feel offended by that, its not my problem if you choose to feel that way. Yes, you're the only one deciding if you dont like it or not. No, you're not borned to feel in a sertain way. Dont you change opinions the more experience you gain thru life?

Solqom
02-12-2012, 09:51 PM
EU server down again :[

--------------------------------

Vote custom random passed teams were assigned and then mass kick.

Server not responding and no longer on server list.

nobodyhome
02-12-2012, 10:40 PM
kk should be back up now. not sure why they're going down so often.

ryebone
02-12-2012, 10:58 PM
Leave them down imo.

andy
02-12-2012, 11:29 PM
please do not anger the eurobladder gods. have patience.

He just likes being direspectful towards people giving free services.

Solqom
02-17-2012, 08:27 PM
I don't mean to sound greedy, and thanks a buttload for sorting out an EU ladder, but could we have more! :D

A second EU bladder would be awesome, it soon fills up and would be great to be able to expand into another server with the same ping.

Thanks guys, you ROCK!

kolobos
02-17-2012, 08:37 PM
We need 2 EU bladders, speccing every time at 26/26 really sucks.
Not like it was easy before to make people get second ladder going.
Don't get me wrong, I like TBD too, but it's probably enough to have 1 empty TBD server (US).

sunshineduck
02-17-2012, 08:56 PM
it's not as simple as disabling one US server and throwing up an EU server, lol.

kolobos
02-17-2012, 09:41 PM
it's not as simple as disabling one US server and throwing up an EU server, lol.

Nobody suggesting to disable US servers.
Point is, having only one ball server is stupid.
And it's pretty simple to turn unused TBD into ball, if we can't add one more server.

sunshineduck
02-17-2012, 09:58 PM
the euro tbd servers are used. the way you worded your post it seemed like you wanted us to remove one of the actually unused servers (ladder #2) and change it to EU.

nobodyhome
02-17-2012, 09:58 PM
From what I can tell, phong (who hosts both the US and the EU servers) pays more for his EU servers (or maybe it's because he uses the US servers for more than just altitude so he doesn't mind), so he prefers that we keep EU traffic to a minimum, whereas US traffic is not as important. Therefore, having two US servers for each mode is fine, whereas having two EU servers for each mode is not.

kolobos
02-17-2012, 10:35 PM
From what I can tell, phong (who hosts both the US and the EU servers) pays more for his EU servers (or maybe it's because he uses the US servers for more than just altitude so he doesn't mind), so he prefers that we keep EU traffic to a minimum, whereas US traffic is not as important. Therefore, having two US servers for each mode is fine, whereas having two EU servers for each mode is not.

What about having two EU servers for one popular mode (ball), while using US servers for less popular one?
Because again, having only one ball server in a region is really detrimental to the game - people spec more than play at 26/26.

nobodyhome
02-17-2012, 10:41 PM
no. charschars.

Ribilla
02-18-2012, 12:32 PM
Phong has done a fantastic job securing us an EU server and you can't just ask him for more. He doesn't work for Nimbly, he does this off his own back, with relatively little thanks. If you want a second euro ladder, then I suggest that you get your own server and then turn it over to the ladder team.

kolobos
02-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Phong has done a fantastic job securing us an EU server and you can't just ask him for more. He doesn't work for Nimbly, he does this off his own back, with relatively little thanks. If you want a second euro ladder, then I suggest that you get your own server and then turn it over to the ladder team.

You absolutely right.
I can get my own server, i'm just asking if we can use existing servers more efficiently.
(Note: sitting in one server 26/26 for hours while the second one is empty isn't the most efficient way).
Considering the servers are there to be used. For minimizing bandwidth TBD works perfectly, but then it's strange why not both servers are TBD.

yankinlk
02-18-2012, 01:35 PM
Nobody suggesting to disable US servers.
Point is, having only one ball server is stupid.
And it's pretty simple to turn unused TBD into ball, if we can't add one more server.

Chill. Be happy with what we got newbie. (i assume yer new) TBD will make a comeback in EU eventually. We been waiting for EUBladder for so long tho no one wants to switch to TBD yet.

wolf'j'max
02-18-2012, 04:33 PM
Chill. Be happy with what we got newbie. (i assume yer new) TBD will make a comeback in EU eventually. We been waiting for EUBladder for so long tho no one wants to switch to TBD yet.

he has been on the forums since october '10, you on the other hand, jan '11.

AzzedariuSuiradezza
02-18-2012, 04:43 PM
he has been on the forums since october '10, you on the other hand, jan '11.

Forums matter.

kolobos
02-18-2012, 05:15 PM
So I gave nobo access to VDS server that he can use for a second EU ball ladder.

yankinlk
02-18-2012, 05:41 PM
he has been on the forums since october '10, you on the other hand, jan '11.

I win on Post count tbh.

Demuyt
02-18-2012, 05:53 PM
I have 2,888 posts and my profile has been visited 4,390 times

Am I good at this game? no

Ribilla
02-18-2012, 06:11 PM
So I gave nobo access to VDS server that he can use for a second EU ball ladder.

That sounds like all kinds of awesome.

sunshineduck
02-18-2012, 06:17 PM
is it a dedicated server (as in you actually get your own super cute box) or a VPS?

kolobos
02-18-2012, 06:27 PM
is it a dedicated server (as in you actually get your own super cute box) or a VPS?

It's VPS, but should be powerful enough and stable.
If it will work good, I don't really see a need to buy dedicated.
It's also located in Germany, which I think is a right place for EU ladder, ping-wise, for everyone.

yankinlk
02-18-2012, 06:34 PM
It's also located in Germany, which I think is a right place for EU ladder, ping-wise, for everyone.

f<cking germanz think they run the EU.

Premier Stalin
02-18-2012, 06:54 PM
f<cking germanz think they run the EU.

Yh, because they do.

mjolnir416
02-18-2012, 10:20 PM
It's also located in Germany, which I think is a right place for EU ladder, ping-wise, for everyone.

Everyone doesnt mean what you think it means...

Clapon
02-18-2012, 10:49 PM
with APL coming up i do believe (hope) that the EU will start to play TBD as it will make the league that much more competitive, also preseason starts tomorrow!!

phong
02-19-2012, 01:29 AM
Nobo is pretty much spot on with his post so if Kolobos is trustworthy enough and his vps stable I'd rather take down my EU server all together, otherwise one will have to do without some sort of monthly donation.

Additionally EU ladder will be down for about 30 minutes tonight for maintenance.

phong
02-19-2012, 02:12 AM
EU server IP has changed, you may need to update/refresh your list.

yankinlk
02-19-2012, 09:28 AM
some sort of monthly donation.

Take Paypal?

kolobos
02-27-2012, 03:37 PM
So after one week still no response from nobo, not sure what exactly does that mean.
VPS is still up and running, apparently unused.

Tekn0
02-27-2012, 04:21 PM
It's VPS, but should be powerful enough and stable.
If it will work good, I don't really see a need to buy dedicated.
It's also located in Germany, which I think is a right place for EU ladder, ping-wise, for everyone.

EU EU EU EU EU Is this Hetzner.de!!? Germany is so awesome... tearsofjoy.jpg

I wonder if I will get single digit ping or not if we get this awesomeness but it all depends on the routing.

Solqom
03-14-2012, 09:32 PM
Eu ladder dead.

It kept on assigning 9 players to blue and 3 players to red. Then getting stuck in a stop start loop.

USA ladder still fine.

nobodyhome
03-14-2012, 10:19 PM
try doing /vote custom stop_tournament. if that doesn't work try doing /vote changeMap ladderlobby

elxir
03-14-2012, 11:34 PM
Eu ladder dead.

It kept on assigning 9 players to blue and 3 players to red. Then getting stuck in a stop start loop.

USA ladder still fine.

usa usa usa

Solqom
03-15-2012, 12:23 AM
try doing /vote custom stop_tournament. if that doesn't work try doing /vote changeMap ladderlobby

We did both of those but it didnt fix it, whe nwe came back about 30-40 mins later it was fine.

kolobos
03-15-2012, 08:11 AM
try doing /vote custom stop_tournament. if that doesn't work try doing /vote changeMap ladderlobby

Will you use VPS that I gave you in PM almost a month ago?
I still think that a second EU ball server can be useful, especially if it will be more stable than the current one.

If not, and you won't give any reasons, then this thread is misleading.

phong
03-20-2012, 09:08 PM
Current EU ladder server isn't stable?

elxir
03-20-2012, 10:47 PM
Current EU ladder server isn't stable?

It's very stable.

Slender
03-21-2012, 12:39 AM
^^^^^^^^^^

Slender
04-06-2012, 06:53 PM
I honestly don't give a flying f*ck about EU ladder but I'm hearing that euro servers were taken down.

Any reason for this?

PS: USAUSAUSAUSAUSASUAUA

yankinlk
04-06-2012, 09:45 PM
patch related maybe or to prepare for the start of new season?

soccernamlak
04-07-2012, 04:34 AM
My guess is the latest version of ball_skylands crashed the EU server. Dojo went down because of it. That's all krawz told me: why or how that map conflicted with the April 4th patch, I have no idea.

The reason USA didn't go down is it still has v1 of skylands on rotation and not the updated one.

Inofaith
04-07-2012, 06:46 AM
I've seen EU TBD Ladder online twice a couple of months ago... I have yet to play it.

How is it that everyday lots of good players are in The Hideout but there's no TBD ladder going on here?

elixirwithani
04-07-2012, 09:30 AM
My guess is the latest version of ball_skylands crashed the EU server. Dojo went down because of it. That's all krawz told me: why or how that map conflicted with the April 4th patch, I have no idea.

The reason USA didn't go down is it still has v1 of skylands on rotation and not the updated one.

100 percent nobo's fault

take it to the bank

nobodyhome
04-07-2012, 09:43 AM
it's back up. not sure if skylands had anything to do with it, but i did two things to the server and it got fixed, only one of which was to copy the US version of skylands over.