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Wok3N^
03-17-2011, 02:02 AM
http://challonge.com/images/brackets/APL5preseason.png

Here it is. The preseason tournament! This does not affect the regular season and is mainly for fun. It also tells us if the newer teams will show up.

Sunday, March 20th, 2011

6 PM GMT - 2 PM EST - Core, Woods, Fallout

RD vs 51 - APL 1
DS vs IL - APL 2

6:45 PM GMT - 2:45 PM EST - Heights, Focus, Lostcity

PR vs winner between 8/9 - APL 1
| vs BB - APL 2
L* vs winner between 7/10 - APL 3
fLb vs FRO - APL 4

7:30 PM GMT - 3:30 PM EST - Grotto, Cave, Middleground

Upper Semifinal - APL 2
Lower Semifinal - APL 3

8:15 PM GMT - 4:15 PM EST - Asteroids, Focus, Core, Justice, Heights

Finals - APL 2
3rd place match - APL 3 - can play at this time or after finals if they choose.

All games will be BO3 excluding the finals and the 3rd place match which will be BO5.



Maps will be played in order from left to right. Teams may start with 6 players on a side and sub one player permanently only if a player disconnects. Choose sub timing wisely!

If an admin is not there, report scores in the thread.

If anyone has questions, ask Mikesol, Andy or I.

Tosconi
03-17-2011, 02:20 AM
you put GMT instead of EST in the 2,3,4 round :)

Wok3N^
03-17-2011, 02:51 AM
Thanks for letting me know! Silly mistake haha

sunshineduck
03-17-2011, 03:06 AM
well i guess we have a short day sunday

Jrathje
03-17-2011, 03:21 AM
well i guess we have a short day sunday

Going in with an attitude like that it will be.

Radium
03-17-2011, 03:38 AM
Going in with an attitude like that it will be.

maybe he meant that fro was going to beat every team quickly and easily, thus making it a short day

Ribilla
03-17-2011, 04:10 AM
**** the bed, we've got Death Skulls, time to start practising in earnest.

Sean
03-17-2011, 04:18 AM
Prediction time: They will dominate you because you are all so tired from staying up partying all night.

:&

EDIT: I had no idea DS had an actual team though. I'm astonished.

Ribilla
03-17-2011, 04:23 AM
Stunningly accurate, it's 3.20am and I am rather drunk, I'm trying to down as much water as possible so I am not hung over for my tutor meeting tomorrow morning, I sense it's not going to help much.

sunshineduck
03-17-2011, 05:46 AM
maybe he meant that fro was going to beat every team quickly and easily, thus making it a short day

i actually meant that we'd suffer a crushing defeat to FRO, we being fLb considering i'm currently sporting that tag

SHUT UP JRATH YOU KNOW NOTHING

CCN
03-17-2011, 09:11 AM
It's okay guys, we'll just play 3 bomber.

classicallad
03-17-2011, 09:41 AM
Wait what, SSD is flb now? wtf is going on, guys pick a team and fraking play for them - you clan hoppers make me retch.

Mandrad
03-17-2011, 12:07 PM
I had hope that the number of teams was bigger than this. Not much changes from season to season. Team names change and thats it. If clans had 12 players instead of countless numbers, more clans would came up and APL would be spiced up...

classicallad
03-17-2011, 01:30 PM
I have to say i agree with Mandrad on this, i mean the competitive scene is relatively small and i see a lot of those people a lot of the time.

12 was fine imho. Subs rule is good though.

mikesol
03-17-2011, 02:14 PM
I had hope that the number of teams was bigger than this. Not much changes from season to season. Team names change and thats it. If clans had 12 players instead of countless numbers, more clans would came up and APL would be spiced up...

Clans could only have 12 up until yesterday. Clearly the 12 man cap was doing nothing to add more teams. The thought is that if teams add more players then people might get frustrated with their lack of play time and make a new team.

VeRiTaS
03-17-2011, 02:20 PM
Even if people do leave and make teams from the teams that have 12+members ... there is rarely someone responcible enough to lead the clan... and willing also ...

classicallad
03-17-2011, 03:25 PM
This is also true, as it stands, there doesn't seem to be a wealth of players stepping up to the plate to lead. Lol not like it's brain surgery just there just isn't.

edit: i hope your reverse psychology works mike, i do.

Tosconi
03-17-2011, 03:47 PM
Besides, all the leading incentives get killed by ppl wishing to form 20 man roster clans to play with their eFriends.

PR just has 8 members now, after aya and Matt left.

We're risking to get another team killed by this rule change.

Ps: I'll just hope for the best and that it all works out in the end

xillix'Love Sattan
03-17-2011, 03:50 PM
i have 1 question: (DS) Death Skulls vs IL| Iron Legends APL 2.

stands APL 2 for april 2?

Kuja900
03-17-2011, 04:00 PM
i have 1 question: (DS) Death Skulls vs IL| Iron Legends APL 2.

stands APL 2 for april 2?

APL server 2

Tosconi
03-17-2011, 04:04 PM
to prevent misunderstandings - the server's called Altitude ProLeague #2

trendy11one
03-17-2011, 04:08 PM
Woken, put date pls, this sunday, 20th march.

trendy11one
03-17-2011, 05:22 PM
Sunday, March 20th, 2010


Fail. :D
But ty, i hope this prevent misunderstandings ;)

Wok3N^
03-17-2011, 05:38 PM
Lol im having an off day :P

sunshineduck
03-18-2011, 12:03 AM
btw, your GMT/EST times are completely off. EST is currently GMT-4, not GMT-5 cuz of daylight savings.

Tosconi
03-18-2011, 12:20 AM
I'm pretty sure, Wok meant Altitude Time (GMT) (when you press Tab), which is totally correct.

sunshineduck
03-18-2011, 12:33 AM
i am aware, but he currently has EST as GMT-5 in the OP, when it's currently at GMT-4. i still don't know if he means to push the EST times 1 hour later or pull the GMT times 1 hour back to make it accurate, so i can't properly notify my team.

Wok3N^
03-18-2011, 03:04 AM
Oh daylight savings :X sry

Tosconi
03-18-2011, 03:32 AM
seriously, don't make it worse. Just post altitude GMT time, so that everyone knows which exact GMT is actually meant.

or just put British or CET, which would be suitable for 100% of euro players, while asians may orient by EST.

I mean seriously, I'm more than sure, that for europeans GMT is the british time (which is actually not the case but still). The mythic, non-existant GMT-without-daylight-savings time just makes it way more confusing.

Wok3N^
03-18-2011, 03:52 AM
I am going to do what every APL and SL has done.

Tosconi
03-18-2011, 05:32 AM
right...so why do we have Altitude GMT time again (which was put there specifically for this matter)?

it's always amusing, how american players (which orientate themselves on the EST time) decide that non-existing GMT is more suitable for euro players. Well - it's not.

This problem comes every winter tournaments, making lots of ppl, who don't regularly check up the forums miss their times.

mikesol
03-18-2011, 05:40 AM
right...so why do we have Altitude GMT time again (which was put there specifically for this matter)?

it's always amusing, how american players (which orientate themselves on the EST time) decide that non-existing GMT is more suitable for euro players. Well - it's not.

This problem comes every winter tournaments, making lots of ppl, who don't regularly check up the forums miss their times.

We use the altitude time because we've repeatedly try to get the right GMT times and everyone bitches about them being wrong if we use one over the other. It was decided that we would just use altitude time since *everyone* can just press tab and see what time it is and do the conversions for themselves.

Tosconi
03-18-2011, 05:47 AM
Mike - that's exactly my point.

After SSD's comment, Wok3n changed the time to the actual (non-Altitude) GMT. And I practically ask to bring it back to Altitude-GMT time, which is equal for all of the players and is very easy to check up.

sunshineduck
03-18-2011, 05:58 AM
Mike - that's exactly my point.

After SSD's comment, Wok3n changed the time to the actual (non-Altitude) GMT. And I practically ask to bring it back to Altitude-GMT time, which is equal for all of the players and is very easy to check up.

what?

GMT is the same both ways, i have no idea what you're talking about lol

EDIT: currently, altitude GMT is exactly the same as regular GMT. I'm on the east coast, and it says my local time is GMT-4.

Tosconi
03-18-2011, 06:25 AM
Ok, I finally got it - you got daylight savings last week. So the next 2 weeks (till march 27) the time's different to the normal difference +6 CET --> and is now +5 CET.

finally.

sunshineduck
03-18-2011, 07:20 AM
Ok, I finally got it - you got daylight savings last week. So the next 2 weeks (till march 27) the time's different to the normal difference +6 CET --> and is now +5 CET.

finally.

that's kind of exactly what i said in this post:
btw, your GMT/EST times are completely off. EST is currently GMT-4, not GMT-5 cuz of daylight savings.

o_O

Tosconi
03-18-2011, 07:31 AM
yep my bad.

Daylight savings come here 2 weeks later. I completely forgot it is usually introduced earlier in the US (so I though you're talking about daylight savings as a policy and not as a done fact).

PS: GMT being -4 during summer is the exact thing I hate about this time, being accepted as common. 48 weeks a year (out of 52) - CET is +6 to EST, I often go to the US and these 6 hours is a common difference to me. GMT being equal to London time in winter is also **** up in summer. It is way more intuitive to count time - to your own actual (real) time, than to some practically non-existing construction, imo.

as said in the other topic: the problem is - you don't have to think about, what difference is it to GMT (while GMT being differentiated by daylight savings), you just stick to a real EST time. Then why not do the same for Euro players - stick to a real time (British, CET whatsoever).

the argument "you can always press Tab" - is great. But - looking at the actual clock is easier.

xillix'Love Sattan
03-19-2011, 07:47 AM
So the EST time is the europe time?

Tosconi
03-19-2011, 08:05 AM
no EST - is Eastern Standard Time (US East Coast).

classicallad
03-20-2011, 02:28 PM
It looks like RD's match with 51 will be at 7pm GMT as 2 of my players cant make 6 as their ride home will be delayed, i;ll update when i have confirmation from 51.

andy
03-20-2011, 02:29 PM
You cant just reschedule with 51, because it will mean that the tournament lasts one hour more for everyone else..

classicallad
03-20-2011, 02:29 PM
Mike - that's exactly my point.

After SSD's comment, Wok3n changed the time to the actual (non-Altitude) GMT. And I practically ask to bring it back to Altitude-GMT time, which is equal for all of the players and is very easy to check up.

yeah, i dont evern understand why we even post in EST, Altitude time should be generic, it makes so much more sense 0.O

classicallad
03-20-2011, 02:31 PM
You cant just reschedule with 51, because it will mean that the tournament lasts one hour more for everyone else..

Well then, i have no idea of our chances now at having 5 players at 7, with the lack of curent PR players, this and probably DS or whatever they are called being NS's itll be a quick tourney.

some flexibility would be cool.

andy
03-20-2011, 02:32 PM
PR will show. I know but if you reschedule now (day of the tourney) our players will still come online at due time but will have no match to play and will have to stay online 1 hour more or will have to log off at the planned time missing some games.

classicallad
03-20-2011, 02:34 PM
we probably wont then, tbh this is too much faffing around, we'll probably pull out for regular season, cant be arsed,.

classicallad
03-20-2011, 02:42 PM
I actually have an idea that would work. Teams can play each other whenever they choose best for them so long as it is played by a certain deadline, truth is (at least for us) that real life demands us elswhere other than playing computer games.

Wok3N^
03-20-2011, 03:58 PM
Class the only problem with this is that it delays the entire tourney. I can't give permission to this. You don't think you will have enough to field 4 or 5? If I knew sooner, I could have made changes but this is a bit last minute :X

Ribilla
03-20-2011, 04:00 PM
Last minute recruiting gogogogo

Wok3N^
03-20-2011, 04:04 PM
Class there is not much to worry about. It is the preseason tournament. We know that the players in RD are active and will show up to the scheduled matches.

classicallad
03-20-2011, 04:20 PM
well lets hope so....

andy
03-20-2011, 05:31 PM
Even if you no show this week it doesnt affect your apl in any way, we know KLF (RD this season) always showed last season..
But if new teams or teams with big no show records come with 0 players this week at least we know who to exclude.

sunshineduck
03-20-2011, 10:20 PM
whoever made this bracket is an asshole, btw

York
03-21-2011, 04:08 AM
3rd place up the irons

classicallad
03-21-2011, 11:52 AM
last place, up your arse.