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Slender 01-06-2012 01:23 AM

I always suggest to permaban these players but nah, i just get called harsh.

DMCM 01-06-2012 02:55 PM

I've started to give out harsher bans to players who I got numerous reports and complaints about and who have been warned several times.

Peterfere, Green Hornet and most recenty Amir are examples of that. Two weeks of coop without the presence of this kind of people will be good for us who like to play without idiots disrespecting other players.


By the way I only banned Amir via VaporID because I didn't have his IP. If you could IP-ban him too taht wlould be great.

fainaent 01-08-2012 02:15 AM

Take away Amateur's admin capabilities
 
This is X, MemberX, X.cv, etc...

I joined the test server, and started a mid-map balance vote when the last remaining player said to balance. I was banned. I came back two minutes later and was immediately banned again by amateurlobster because 'you're not a map tester'.

I told him off in a PM, at which point he un-friended me, and banned me for 14 days from Coop Sandbox.

Simple admin abuse from someone who isn't mature enough to have the responsibility.

fainaent 01-08-2012 02:16 AM

I was also banned for 7 days from Coop Sandbox 2 and 3, and 14 days on the test server.

fainaent 01-08-2012 03:33 AM

Kudos as well for the other admins I spoke to for not helping. Coop is the main reason I play alti, so that makes me rage somewhat.

Feels like Lord of The Rings when Theoden says 'The old alliances are dead'.

Juin 01-08-2012 04:35 AM

Admins, please follow a rational and consistent progression of ban durations when you hand out bans. After inspecting some old logs and the database, I found a ridiculous amount of players who were banned for at least a week on their first session (the first time they played on one of our servers). That's wrong.

Please consider sticking with this or making a similar progression if you wish.
2 min. (/kick) -> 1 day -> 1 week -> 1 month -> 3 months -> forever

Also, a ban on the test server should not transcend to the other servers, unless the reason is something awful like quoting a Justin Bieber song. The test server is isolated from the database, it doesn't run SLAPJACKS and it's password-protected.

I removed some bans - let me know if I stepped on someone's toes.

AmateurLobster 01-08-2012 03:39 PM

I think since map test and sandbox 1 are hosted on same server they maybe share a ban list, at least it appears that way when jammer was kicked out of map test server.

Secondly since we all can't look up the logs, I'll reiterate the point that we need a way to record short-time bans (which may expire before someone looks at listbans)

Finally, let me clarify X's ban.
- Someone who I have never seen before appears on the maptest server, where people I know are testing mineshaft.
- It is my understanding that 1) the map test server is for a select number of invited testers and 2) that the password was mistakenly given out to a bunch of people recently
- This person starts asking people to join [P-L] and just sounded like a total n00b.
- This person midmap votes to balance.
- This person friends me (which I accept) and then calls me a prick.

I think a week long ban is entirely appropriate.
However it seems this person may know juin from a while back, so if it's an unfortunately mix-up, I don't care if you unban him.

mikesol 01-09-2012 03:03 AM

Thread cleaned up at request of op. Please try to keep arguments elsewhere. Thanks

fainaent 01-09-2012 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmateurLobster (Post 154720)
Finally, let me clarify X's ban.
- Someone who I have never seen before appears on the maptest server, where people I know are testing mineshaft.
- It is my understanding that 1) the map test server is for a select number of invited testers and 2) that the password was mistakenly given out to a bunch of people recently
- This person starts asking people to join [P-L] and just sounded like a total n00b.
- This person midmap votes to balance.
- This person friends me (which I accept) and then calls me a prick.

I think a week long ban is entirely appropriate.
However it seems this person may know juin from a while back, so if it's an unfortunately mix-up, I don't care if you unban him.

I just want to say.

- You didn't bother to ask how I got the password. You didn't bring this up until after you had banned me twice. The original reason was for a mid-map vote(see next point).
- There was one person alive, J-Dog Jammer. He said, and I quote: "bal".
- Yes, I'm trying to get more people to play without perks in coop. However, if you looked at the logs, you would notice that I was actually talking to people I know about it. I've joked with slender several times about taking off his perks.
- I friended you to ask about the ban. Your reason ticked me off because you didn't think to ask who I was or how I got the password. In fact, I said in-game that I was one of the .cv bunch, which should have told you that I'm not a coop 'n00b'.

In all actuality, you banned me for 2 weeks because I called you a 'prick'. My ban was removed, so you re-banned me for the same reasons. I'm glad that you think it's 'appropriate'.

Juin 01-09-2012 04:29 AM

Cheers, Mike.

Lobster, I see the map-test server is running from the same launcher as Sandbox #1, which means those two servers are sharing internal files. They shouldn't. It's time to change the password and separate those servers. Until that happens, please avoid issuing long bans (>1 day) on the test server.

As for X, I've unbanned him from all servers, again, not because he's an old-school co-op regular and my bud, but because I feel the ban wasn't justified and I know it didn't follow a progression. I read the logs and had a word with him. I keep trying to catch you online so we can get this out of the way, but we don't seem to overlap so far.

You're right - we should have some sort of police blotter. corrado33 mentioned he's working on it.

AmateurLobster 01-09-2012 02:11 PM

ok that's fine juin, I had rebanned him pending your judgement.

He was kicked from test server for 20mins, which would have been all, had he not "ticked" me off in friend chat.
For the record, I accepted his friend request after the kick from test server so he could respond to the kick; I'm not in the habit of banning people without having a reason and will talk to people who feel it's unjustified. I'm also not in the habit of being insulted (however mild the insult may be) by people on my friends list.

I'll be back in the US on wednesday, so I'll be online at more 'normal' times then.

corrado33 01-11-2012 02:59 AM

Did I miss something?

I have a couple of updates.
  • The password for the test server has been changed, if you want it, PM me. As of right now we're not actually testing any maps, so I'll probably take it down anyway.
  • I've made a new admin only command /lastBanned. Unfortunately, the name is misleading. I'm not aware of us storing ban dates in the database, so the command simply fetches the number of times a player has been banned. I feel this should be appropriate unless someone miraculously cleans up their act after a bunch of bans. HOWEVER, the number of bans includes kicks (I believe) and the use of !kickme and ping kicks, so it's not entirely true. I'm not sure how to fix that as of yet(I can fix the !kickme one) Wait, we don't have ping kicks... packet loss maybe?
  • Juin, I could run the test server from the other computer from a different port. Actually, that's a good idea. I wonder how my router will like that because I can't forward the update port to both computers....

Although I'm way overcomplicating this, I think an easy way to do it would be to add a variable to the database (a pain in itself) that's a "ban indicator" if you will. If someone gets banned, it goes up by 1. If they get banned again within a week after their ban ends, it goes up again. If they go a week without getting banned (after their previous ban ended), the number goes down. That way I could make a function itself /computerBan or something to have that number decide the length of the ban. I dunno, give me ideas.

classicallad 01-11-2012 03:13 AM

All of that work for kicks? =P

Just ban the abusers forever - weed out the rubbish.

RedLight 01-12-2012 05:48 AM

We aren't your typical ladder bunch.

soccernamlak 01-14-2012 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrado33 (Post 154843)
HOWEVER, the number of bans includes kicks (I believe) and the use of !kickme and ping kicks, so it's not entirely true. I'm not sure how to fix that as of yet(I can fix the !kickme one) Wait, we don't have ping kicks... packet loss maybe?

Corr, when we were talking and you said I've been banned 6 times based on that command, I can pretty much say I've used kickme maybe once; the rest being from packet loss on various occasions: aka, I do think packet loss is counting as a kick which is counting as a ban. Hope you get it fixed!

DMCM 01-14-2012 02:03 AM

It can't be packet loss, that happens to me on a daily basis and the command still says 0 bans.

If you've never been kicked/banned before, then they must be all form using !Kickme

RedLight 01-14-2012 03:40 PM

Aw that stinks. I've never been kicked, but I've used !kickme quite a few times. :p

AmateurLobster 01-21-2012 06:27 PM

I wonder how many records in sandbox are solo'd maps?
i.e just one person on their own got the best time

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/...ster/caus1.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/...ster/caus2.jpg

soccernamlak 01-22-2012 10:34 PM

Don't know AmLob; gj :)



And corr:

http://imgur.com/a/AVyN6


1de_coop_caution

Para false and Para true differences at beginning for me

AmateurLobster 01-30-2012 04:22 AM

Ragecomics
 
Some rage comics/advice animals I made to deal with my rage with people on the sandboxes, and also by DMCM's recent namechange. You'll notice there is a theme.


http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/...r/13802870.jpg

http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/...r/13731077.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/.../ragecomic.png

TwistedDuck 01-30-2012 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmateurLobster (Post 156211)
Some rage comics/advice animals I made to deal with my rage with people on the sandboxes, and also by DMCM's recent namechange. You'll notice there is a theme.

<Include Pics here>

Hahhahaha, when i read this i assumed, Oh god this is going to be on 101 again, i was Right!.

RedLight 01-30-2012 05:50 AM

For me, it's more of like this:

http://i.imgur.com/TFMiW.png
http://i.imgur.com/5zg3l.jpg

Jesus 01-30-2012 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedLight (Post 156217)
For me, it's more of like this:

Pictures

LOL. Very true.

TwistedDuck 01-30-2012 12:36 PM

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2...1301804190.png

^
Lol'd

DMCM 01-30-2012 02:26 PM

ROFL

Thank you, those pics made my day

Jesus 01-30-2012 04:34 PM

The main theme this morning on coop...

http://h.static.memegenerator.net/ca...4/13818477.jpg

Taylay 01-31-2012 12:19 AM

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1618/29197630.jpg

Mt.Vesuvius 02-03-2012 04:06 AM

Fun Fact: that's an actual photo of taylay.

Slender 02-03-2012 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt.Vesuvius (Post 156560)
Fun Fact: that's an actual photo of taylay.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha

Taylay 02-04-2012 06:59 PM

lol funny :|

RedLight 02-11-2012 02:51 AM

Because I'm so massively pro:

http://i.imgur.com/2P2Uc.png

corrado33 02-12-2012 08:42 PM

Would have been better if we didn't see your name change above ;)

Juin 02-15-2012 02:38 AM

hahaha, those memes are great. Here are a couple I made at work:

http://f.cl.ly/items/173X3q2y0q2b2F2...19:57%20PM.png

http://f.cl.ly/items/3l072e112X032c1...25:27%20PM.png

http://cl.ly/241G2u352o1G2j0f461Y/Im...36:18%20PM.png
(corrado33)

http://f.cl.ly/items/0S0F0y2d2h2g3y3...37:29%20PM.png

TwistedDuck 02-15-2012 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juin (Post 157653)

Hahahahahaha

AmateurLobster 02-15-2012 09:33 PM

Fun Fact: that's an actual photo of corrado33

MinecraftLover 02-19-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMCM (Post 154610)
I've started to give out harsher bans to players who I got numerous reports and complaints about and who have been warned several times.

Peterfere, Green Hornet and most recenty Amir are examples of that. Two weeks of coop without the presence of this kind of people will be good for us who like to play without idiots disrespecting other players.


By the way I only banned Amir via VaporID because I didn't have his IP. If you could IP-ban him too taht wlould be great.

maybe so, but that doesn't mean you had to ban me for 2 DAYS because i called a vote to kick someone who kept swearing at me, does it?

Slender 02-19-2012 01:15 PM

Thats why you have a mute option, I whore it on Sandbox.

Arcanecat 02-20-2012 08:19 PM

I don't know if this the proper thread to do this but, I'am requesting a Week Long ban from all the coop Severs on a player.

I wish I had got some evidence, to prove this, but, he goes by the name, catpuke2. I hope you could see what to do about this player. I've seen him try change map, or balance in the middle of games (without the permission of the living players), Plus I've tried kicking him, but that didn't work. :(

Arcanecat

TwistedDuck 02-20-2012 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcanecat (Post 158119)
I don't know if this the proper thread to do this but, I'am requesting a Week Long ban from all the coop Severs on a player.

I wish I had got some evidence, to prove this, but, he goes by the name, catpuke2. I hope you could see what to do about this player. I've seen him try change map, or balance in the middle of games (without the permission of the living players), Plus I've tried kicking him, but that didn't work. :(

Arcanecat

was it a demo/ low level account ? i think i banned Catpuke (idunno for sure tho) will checkout, next time if he balances/mid-maps take a screenie (F5 for windows)

Arcanecat 02-21-2012 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedDuck (Post 158120)
was it a demo/ low level account ? i think i banned Catpuke (idunno for sure tho) will checkout, next time if he balances/mid-maps take a screenie (F5 for windows)

I got some chatlogs, so here they are.
[20:46] catpuke2 has called a vote to balanceTeams.
[20:47] Vote failed with 29% yes votes (needed >60%).
[20:47] Arcanecat: kick him
[20:47] NYANNYANNYAN: who
[20:47] catpuke2: me
[20:47] Arcanecat: catpuke
[20:47] NYANNYANNYAN: why
[20:47] anony_mouse: catpuke read the rules
[20:47] anony_mouse: no midmap balances
[20:47] catpuke2: i did
[20:47] v.ipfail: so he admits to doing so
[20:47] catpuke2: ok
[20:47] v.ipfail: kick
[20:47] tcvang.0: i got sheild
[20:47] catpuke2: NO
[20:47] anony_mouse: read them again
[20:47] catpuke2: ok
[20:48] v.ipfail: you say you read the rules and then you still abuse them

[21:06] catpuke2 has called a vote to balanceTeams.
[21:06] blackdollarz: lol
[21:06] blackdollarz: no rev
[21:06] blackdollarz: damit
[21:06] bay11: hehe
[21:06] Vote failed with 50% yes votes (needed >60%).
[21:06] v.ipfail has called a vote to kick catpuke2.
[21:06] bay11: :(
[21:06] Vote failed with 43% yes votes (needed >65%).
[21:06] catpuke2: nooo
[21:06] catpuke2: yes
[21:06] v.ipfail: you just did this on the last map
[21:06] bay11: hara
[21:06] v.ipfail: stop letting him get away with crap


[12:08] catpuke2 has called a vote to changeMap 1de_coop_101.
[12:08] Vote failed with 43% yes votes (needed >74%).
[12:08] 3x|TeD: just go on
[12:08] 3x|TeD: thepiratebay
[12:08] /vote kick catpuke2
[12:08] Arcanecat has called a vote to kick catpuke2.
[12:09] spike 12736.0: y
[12:09] catpuke2: nooo
[12:09] Vote failed with 17% yes votes (needed >65%).

[21:15] v.ipfail has called a vote to kick catpuke2.
[21:15] bay11: plz plz plz plz plz plz vote different map plz
[21:15] catpuke2: im a demo user
[21:15] catpuke2: no
[21:15] Vote failed with 43% yes votes (needed >65%).
[21:15] catpuke2: suck it
[21:15] bay11: why
[21:15] v.ipfail: mid vote
[21:15] catpuke2: his meen
[21:15] v.ipfail: multi times
[21:15] dazza_96.0: bal plz

I hope that helps.


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