Patch: April 4th, bug fixes

[elxir]

Originally Posted by Ribilla

I don't think it's OP that laser always does some damage, considering the penalties of charging up (time, energy) keeping charge (energy cap, energy regeneration) and being close the enemy. You could just as easily say that a HC and a trick are always going it hit from laser range, due to the fast projectile speed and they are always going to take away a big chunk of damage.

You are operating under the charming assumption that everyone has a 100% hitrate with their weapons like you do...

[Ribilla]

Originally Posted by elxir

You are operating under the charming assumption that everyone has a 100% hitrate with their weapons like you do...

I'm operating under the assumption that someone can hit a plane with a charged trickster shot from within laser range, that's not a difficult task.

[Cookie]

oh, slender, there was a patch of the patch lol

[Ingbo]

Originally Posted by mikesol

Feedback:

This nerf doesn't do a HUGE amount - but it still hurts. It's definitely more of a trickster / ta nerf than it is a laser nerf. Laser rarely needs to worry about pews or anything of that nature. (I'm fine with keeping this nerf although it doesn't really fix the issue)

I still think trick and ta are op - but I think laser needs some definite addressing as many of these nerfs aren't really hurting it in any way.

the problem as i see it is that it doesnt adress what makes randa op imo. like damage imo isnt the problem with randa. its that they can just push and push and push and push and control powerups to no end and punish other ppls mistake to no end and still always get away with an insta 180.

imo if we wanna adress problem with randa game play in tbd we need to adress its 180 function, making some type of cooldown on it or reworking it but overall change miranda so that it cant just do whatever the fck it wants on any part of the map and then just peace out soon as it doesnt feel the situation any more without having to be the least bit scared of dying cause its stayed in an area for too long.

[Inofaith]

I don't really see randa dominating TBD, it's just whoever is whoring in a loopy, biplane, randa, exploded that unbalances the whole game. It's the players, not the planes.
I hunt randas with ease, provides a nice challenge, the TA nerf was kindo in place, it was fine then.

[Ingbo]

all do respect, but if all top players in tbd agree on it being op, it likely is op

[elixirwithani]

Originally Posted by Ribilla

I'm operating under the assumption that someone can hit a plane with a charged trickster shot from within laser range, that's not a difficult task.

It is when you have to reverse and turn 45 degrees in half a second, not that you have ever experienced any difficulty thanks to the aimbot you use...

[Radium]

and by aimbot he means mouse

[[Y]]

I feel like a cool down on the 180 wouldn't address randas' lack of commitment because I've never seen people use it continuously, reversing back and forth. It's usually reverse, turn a corner, reverse, warp. But I may be wrong and there may be a perfect cool down length to balance it.

I'm still in favor of a warp cool down after laser, though. That sillyness needs to be fixed.

[Ingbo]

might as well remove the plane if u want a cooldown on warp after lasering because if u cant combo laser + warp that would leave the plane completely useless.

if u havent seen ppl use 180 continuously u havent been watching me bomb run a lot have u?

[Ribilla]

If you nerf mobility I think you'll make randa useless as a runner and if you nerf damage you'll make it useless as a killer. If you want to nerf it I think small energy usage tweaks (as in this patch) are the way to go.

[blarg]

how about making the laser do more damage the longer it has been hitting another plane? so for example, hitting someone for only half the laser duration would do 1/4 of the possible damage, hitting for 3/4 of the duration would do 1/2 the possible damage, and hitting for the full duration would do the full amount.

i like this idea because the laser player with better aim will get more damage out of it, and likewise a victim player who is better able to dodge, get in cover, or get out of range will take less damage. it also increases the amount of time the randa player will need to stay out in the open exposed while firing the laser to be efficient at killing with it.

[Tekn0]

Nerf mouse and call it a day.

[Arcanecat]

Originally Posted by Tekn0

Nerf mouse and call it a day.

By your post, looks like you play keyboard, What if lam decided to nerf keyboard, you'll be raging.

The only nerfing there is to do, is on the planes (not saying we should), just focus on that, nerfing any controls will demolish this game.

[leggomyeggo]

Originally Posted by Arcanecat

By your post, looks like you play keyboard, What if lam decided to nerf keyboard, you'll be raging.

The only nerfing there is to do, is on the planes (not saying we should), just focus on that, nerfing any controls will demolish this game.

i see you're a fellow graduate of Killjoke University. i was graduating class of '09, what about you?

[Evan20000]

I would prefer increasing the energy cost of the pews greatly along with slightly increasing the damage. That would have the same effect, yes (preventing a charge shot followed by spam from being too effective)? Additionally, this would keep the skill ceiling high on planes like trick by allowing the player to have more options after they fire a charged shot.

[Ribilla]

Originally Posted by Ribilla

If you nerf mobility I think you'll make randa useless as a runner and if you nerf damage you'll make it useless as a killer. If you want to nerf it I think small energy usage tweaks (as in this patch) are the way to go.

Originally Posted by Evan20000

I would prefer increasing the energy cost of the pews greatly along with slightly increasing the damage. That would have the same effect, yes (preventing a charge shot followed by spam from being too effective)? Additionally, this would keep the skill ceiling high on planes like trick by allowing the player to have more options after they fire a charged shot.

At long last mouse and KB randas unite.

[SlenderMan]

WHAT THE ****, another update today.

0.6 MB HMMMMMMMMMMM

[Dan0r]

Originally Posted by SlenderMan

My game updated AGAIN this afternoon even though I had already downloaded the april 4th update.

Any news on this?

Wanted to ASK Dat. Too;D

[lamster]

Latest update was very minor:

Update April 9th: increased mute limit to 200, fixed issue with outdated maplist

[SlenderMan]

Update April 9th: increased mute limit to 200, fixed issue with outdated maplist

our dream come true :'3

[leggomyeggo]

Originally Posted by lamster

Latest update was very minor:

i think i might explode due to joy.

[classicallad]

happened.to.me.too

[TwistedDuck]

I got a 90mb size update for Altitude on Steam
anybody else who uses altitude on steam got it ?

another update on Altitude around 1mb after that

[darknietzsche]

I did as well TD.

[TwistedDuck]

Originally Posted by darknietzsche

I did as well TD.

well, that's not only me then, i don't see any difference at looks maybe it's an internal fix, who knows

[Karl]

we updated to the latest Steam Works library. nothing to see here.

[Tekn0]

Heh, downloading it right now. thanks for the info.

EDIT: great, I cannot load Altitude anymore "Can't laod the main class" error.

Sigh, I do enough debugging at work, now i have to debug this even for playing... must be some stale cache

EDIT 2: fixed, just needed to revalidate the steam cache for Alti.

[yankinlk]

Cheers. Got the same issue.

Open Steam, Library, right click Altitude, Properties.
Click on 3rd tab, verify integrity of game cache.

[xtelevisionset]

Never needed to be nerfed.

Reverse whale beats laser randa.
Come on guys, it's like rock paper scissors.

[wuwu]

im a be ragin till u fix back the remote explodet..


RAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEE

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by mikesol

Feedback:

This nerf doesn't do a HUGE amount - but it still hurts. It's definitely more of a trickster / ta nerf than it is a laser nerf. Laser rarely needs to worry about pews or anything of that nature. (I'm fine with keeping this nerf although it doesn't really fix the issue)

I still think trick and ta are op - but I think laser needs some definite addressing as many of these nerfs aren't really hurting it in any way.

granted it affects Trick and TA more so but it all depends on playstyle. Meta pews with his laser a lot fyi.

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by wuwu

im a be ragin till u fix back the remote explodet..


RAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEE

Aaaand, come on Wu that ever so slight nerf was needed, and you know it.

[leggomyeggo]

Originally Posted by wuwu

im a be ragin till u fix back the remote explodet..


RAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEE

it's not broken...

[mikesol]

Why did we resurrect this lol - the nerfs in this thread are old =x

[thomaspd]

What about the linux steam package? Any updates on that too?
Thanks.

[mikesol]

Closing this - This thread is about updates from 2012 - not updates in April of 2013.