TBD_Grotto remake

Carbon · #1 10-08-2009, 09:02 AM

This is a remake I did for Grotto, I hope you enjoy it. I will convert this map to Ball, TDM, Objective or FFA if there is enough interest.

edit: new version http://www.mediafire.com/?dmylztmooyo

Please leave any feedback. Thanks.

Evan20000 · #2 10-08-2009, 10:28 AM

This needs to replace the current one. You did a good job.

DiogenesDog · #3 10-08-2009, 11:46 AM

sweetness. can't wait to try it out!

Triped · #4 10-08-2009, 02:38 PM

Nice work. Planeball that for sure.

Vi* · #5 10-08-2009, 03:19 PM

I tried this out and I could not stop staring. Your artistic choices are hilarious and I love you.

Like of course rocks don't just hang out in mid-air, they should obviously be giant mushrooms. The skinny trees are my favourite, though. They make me think Dr. Seuss.

I am super excited to see more maps from you.

bohica · #6 10-08-2009, 03:31 PM

Very nice! I like it! Loaded it up to 'The Castle' today!

Nice work!

Bo~

ZidaneTribal · #7 10-08-2009, 03:51 PM

Giant mushrooms!!!!!!!!!!!!1

they wont be the same color as the base in colorblind

bong · #8 10-08-2009, 05:13 PM

WOAH nice 1 shades! loves teh shrooms!

EDIT : Put this on official servers, grotto is better then loco imo

Karl · #9 10-08-2009, 05:18 PM

looks good

only complaint i have is it's way easier to play when you turn parallax off but meh... that's just what happens when you have a lot of art work.

Carbon · #10 10-08-2009, 05:27 PM

It might just be the scrolling background and how its grey on grey -_- I tried a bunch of other things for the background but couldn't really find anything that worked. I'm still not really happy with it if anyone has suggestions on what else I could do

protest boy · #11 10-08-2009, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZidaneTribal

Giant mushrooms!!!!!!!!!!!!1

they wont be the same color as the base in colorblind

Yeah but actually I think that's really good. Now there can be no confusion when someone says 'yellow' and i'm looking at a red/blue game.

evilarsenal · #12 10-08-2009, 09:23 PM

this for tourney? i wanna try it out

nesnl · #13 10-08-2009, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbon

It might just be the scrolling background and how its grey on grey -_- I tried a bunch of other things for the background but couldn't really find anything that worked. I'm still not really happy with it if anyone has suggestions on what else I could do

One thing that works well is to make a background that is horizontally mirrored. That way you save space because the image doesn't have to be the size of the entire map. Maybe go with a darker background, such as a lot of black, that way it really contrasts with the grey level.

Carbon · #14 10-08-2009, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nesnl

One thing that works well is to make a background that is horizontally mirrored. That way you save space because the image doesn't have to be the size of the entire map. Maybe go with a darker background, such as a lot of black, that way it really contrasts with the grey level.

Yeah, I was considering the mirroring, but the background was only 103kb as is, which isn't too bad.

I think I'll try something like the background for cave, but with different colours

AtomikPi · #15 10-09-2009, 01:57 AM

From that picture, the rock in the middle looks like a skull.

Karl · #16 10-09-2009, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbon

Yeah, I was considering the mirroring, but the background was only 103kb as is, which isn't too bad.

I think I'll try something like the background for cave, but with different colours

The problem isn't how big the image is on disk (I.E. the jpg compressed version). The problem is how much video ram it is taking up.

So your background is 2400x1300 = 3120000pixels x 4bytes/pixel =

12480000bytes * 1MB/1048576bytes = 11.90185546875MB of video ram used just for the background!

Now the real question is does this really matter? We have a few users w/ something like 32MB of vram but they probably have parallax turned off anyways and if you look at steam stats: 97% of users have over 64MB of vram...

So as long as you dont have multiple large background it shouldn't be a big deal... but i know for sure we have some people playing on really old hardware (dio used to, not sure if he still does). I've heard other mention they play on the original geforce 256.

DiogenesDog · #17 10-09-2009, 06:18 PM

Great to see this map get unique art, hopefully it'll get played as much as it deserves now.

Random stuff:

- Overall like the look. It's not super awesomely professional, but it has charm.

- The pillars aren't quite as good as the rest of the art. Something about the top of them looks funny.

- I don't think there's a big enough color difference between the gray collideable rocks and the darker gray background. Maybe even just shroud the whole background layer behind fog or something, or at least dark and/or desaturate it a bit.

- It'd be really cool to have another parallaxed background layer with some random stalactites and **** ala Lost City. I don't think it'd take much work compared to what you've put in so far, and it'd be really neat.

- I like the nice fat black outline around all the collidable stuff.

- The ground is pretty awful.

I think you could get away with not having the black outline around the grass... everyone knows not to fly into the ground. It'd work especially well if you kept the current collision area, where it's a little forgiving (the tops of the grass tufts would be in the foreground).

- the cack & balls are maybe a bit much :/

- the water in the center is a little weird as a collideable object.

- the ocean in the distance doesn't look as good as the rest of the art

...but yeah, this is great to see. gogog everyone and put this up on your servers.

DiogenesDog · #18 10-10-2009, 09:41 AM

okay, just played a long ass game on this so here's some more feedback:

- the stalactites above the base are really hard to see in the middle of the action. a few people suicided on them because they just kind of fade into the background.

- it's not at all obvious that the stalk of the mushrooms aren't collidable.

- just have to say it again: the background is a little too close to the main object color, needs to be less distracting.

ryebone · #19 10-10-2009, 09:22 PM

Agree with all comments that it's often difficult to tell collidable foreground objects from the background. Other than that, I love the remake. I find myself forgetting that it's just grotto; often seems like a completely new map.

On another note, is it just me or do the mushrooms look like giant phalli?

AtomikPi · #20 10-10-2009, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryebone

On another note, is it just me or do the mushrooms look like giant phalli?

They would have to be pretty misshapen

I think they just look like huge mushrooms.

nesnl · #21 10-10-2009, 11:37 PM

Carbon, I sent you a PM regarding this map. However, i am not sure if you check your PMs. So this is a public reminder to check your private messages. Thanks!

lammyboi2104 · #22 10-10-2009, 11:43 PM

good job, it looks realy cool, but don't rlace the orriginal, the orriginal is decent.

DiogenesDog · #23 10-11-2009, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtomikPi

They would have to be pretty misshapen

I think they just look like huge mushrooms.

Except the ceiling right next to the mushrooms is clearly a ballsack. =[

Vi* · #24 10-11-2009, 01:57 AM

Yah! And the balls even have hair =]

I agree that the background could use darkening. I still love all the foreground stuff, though.

pig_bomb · #25 10-11-2009, 11:23 PM

oh man new version on the way

Stormich · #26 10-14-2009, 10:15 AM

Map looks really nice with the new background, you guys did a really good job.

pig_bomb · #27 10-14-2009, 10:52 AM

i think shades is cooking something up no?

nesnl · #28 10-14-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pig_bomb

i think shades is cooking something up no?

Yah, I refer to you and Shades. I just hadn't heard from him in a few days and wondered if he was just waiting to just throw the background into the map. So I will remove the link and wait to hear from Shades.

Carbon · #29 10-20-2009, 07:39 PM

Here is the latest version, this will be the final unless someone brings up a serious issue with it

http://www.mediafire.com/?dmylztmooyo

Thanks pig_bomb for the background and maimer for helping me test the new version on his server.

P.S. for any server admins, don't put the map up as v2, that was just for testing purposes

nesnl · #30 10-20-2009, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carbon

Here is the latest version, this will be the final unless someone brings up a serious issue with it

http://www.mediafire.com/?dmylztmooyo

Thanks pig_bomb for the background and maimer for helping me test the new version on his server.

P.S. for any server admins, don't put the map up as v2, that was just for testing purposes

Just to clarify, if you put it up as tbd_grotto before the official version gets updated with this version then it will get overwritten by the current grotto version. So until it gets updated you have to use a different name.

Carbon · #31 10-22-2009, 06:30 PM

Ok, so I've finished Ball_Grotto

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0mhywudzynn

Next up is ffa_grotto

matattack · #32 10-22-2009, 07:27 PM

just played ball grotto. good stuff!

Evan20000 · #33 10-22-2009, 07:28 PM

Spawn sniping was kinda easy :P

I think ball grotto is my new favorite ball map.

pig_bomb · #34 10-22-2009, 07:45 PM

noooo, do tdm next

Carbon · #35 10-22-2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pig_bomb

noooo, do tdm next

TDM and FFA grotto will pretty much be the same anyway :P

bong · #36 10-24-2009, 01:34 AM

The grass.... its hard to resist not to crash on them.... it looks so comfortable so irresistible, im gonna ask my team to go picnic there... who wants to join?

wolf'j'max · #37 10-24-2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bong

The grass.... its hard to resist not to crash on them.... it looks so comfortable so irresistible, im gonna ask my team to go picnic there... who wants to join?

me me me!
Oh and i like the map it became a whole new map instead of a other version of cave. It really got a change thx shades and piggy.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode