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Old 09-11-2014, 12:32 PM
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Guys,

I totally appreciate the efforts that the developers have recently done to attract new players to altitude but I am totally embarrased by the reaction of many experienced players. For over a year we have seen how the player base of alti has schrinked to a handful of freaks and addicts (I include myself) and we have all been complaining about that. For what? Now that the developers have taken drastic measures, giving the game for free with the sole intention to increase the player base, all I see are experienced players complaining about the new players and insulting them. Wow, wow… ladies and gentlemen, maybe we will now realise that if altitude has lost its playerbase is not because of any technical or gameplay reasons, but just because it is played by a bunch of idiots without any social skills that makes the experience of playing altitude disgusting to anyone who is new.

So, I very seriously propose to ban for 1 or 2 months any player that complains and insults new players. If they don't like how newbies play, they won't mind to wait 2 months until the newbies have learned to play better.

Here some proposed very simple ethical guidelines for experienced players:
1) Respect new players: Do NOT complain about them and do NOT insult them.
2) Help new players grow. Do you consider yourself a good player? Then become a leader instead of just being a miserable complainer. Use the team chat to get your team organised and to give tips to the new players.

Seriously, the responsability of attracting and maintaining a healthy playerbase is not only of the developers. The experienced players have a big responsability for that too and we have to take it. If we don't stop this now the playerbase will soon schrink to half of what it was three months ago.

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Ark
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Old 09-11-2014, 02:52 PM
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My experience so far with most of the new players has been like this: 2 or 3 kids (most likely Europeans) start picking on another player (which name was related to Pewdiepie) calling him a bunch of stupid names, followed by these 3 same toddlers changing their names to something like "pewdsgayfaglol" or "lookatmeimpewdsfag" and so on and so forth. Not to mention they were using your discussed term here "noob" on everyone in the server I was in at the time. So it's really not us "veterans" falling upon them but within themselves, the "newbies". I can say with ease that most part of the current ladder community does not behave in this way except for a very few handpicked that have quite a temper but they happen to not tend public servers.

Either way, in order to manage your desired bans on us, most public serves would need active "veteran" players to handle these kind of situations, because seriously, no one would ever give administrator rights to a level 15 player. So in the end, it's all paradoxical.
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Old 09-11-2014, 07:25 PM
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As Slender pointed out, most vets have the same mindset as you (we're thrilled to have so many new people and don't want to see them go).

The other day some noob was yelling at a new player telling him not to run the bomb because he wasn't getting any results, but then 3 or 4 people including myself told the guy not to worry about him and to keep running (+advice) and it ended there. The solution isn't in bans but in how the rest of us people will welcome the new players. So everyone, keep on eye out.

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Old 09-11-2014, 07:43 PM
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They were saying japierdole like a lot. I know things lol
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:36 PM
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I have also seen a few newbies missbehaving and I muted some of them. But there are some Vets out there complaining a lot and making life of newbies hard. This has always been an issue in Alti (indeed, my main reason for not playing ladder) but given the critical situation of the playerbase we have a responsability after the generous move of the developers. We can't let a few egos to spoil the opportunity. As you said, actual bans are difficult in practice and should only be applied to extreme cases. Is best for us to be aware and try to stop the complainers within the game.

Btw, I have a silly question (yeah, 1000+ hours and still have plenty of those :s ) When I mute a player during the game, are his comments also hidden for the other players, or am I the only one not seeing the comments?

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Ark
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:11 PM
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Btw, I have a silly question (yeah, 1000+ hours and still have plenty of those :s ) When I mute a player during the game, are his comments also hidden for the other players, or am I the only one not seeing the comments?
Muted players can be heard by everyone who hasn't muted them. Even as server owner, muting is local only.
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Old 09-12-2014, 07:19 AM
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I think it may be better to create more servers for new players. Another idea is to have certain servers only accessible to players who have at least reached level 60.

I think these things may help accommodate the needs of new players and players who have played Altitude longer.

Miscommunication sometimes happens. I think cooler heads can try to approach players who show unbecoming behavior and get to the bottom of it. A quick reminder that we were all newbies once upon a time may turn that erring player around.
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Old 09-12-2014, 11:25 AM
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Every server is marked with either a green ✓ or a red ✗ to signify that players are allowed to join only certain servers. If you're below Ace 0, for example, you'll only be able to join these servers called "New Players Ball 1-59 US" or something, therefore only those players meeting the criteria will be able to join and those who are Ace 1 and above will not be able to and vice versa, those players under Ace 0 will not be able to join servers like Dojo.

So your suggested veteran-free environment is already in place and working quite well as I've seen those New Players servers filled almost completely but this leaves behind the idea of one being there and attempting to rectify any game play misdirection as to game mode objectives or mechanics.
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Old 09-12-2014, 02:22 PM
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I remember being in the Denver new player only servers. Soccernamlak started in the same server that I did.
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Old 09-15-2014, 10:39 PM
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Muted players can be heard by everyone who hasn't muted them. Even as server owner, muting is local only.
Thanks. Well, it would be nice that those with admin rights in a server could also fully mute players so that nobody can hear them. To avoid abuses, the "mute" state should automatically be reverted when the current game has finished. As an extra, every time a muted player writes something the server could feedback (only to him) a reminder that he/she is muted until the end of the match.

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Old 09-19-2014, 05:23 PM
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Factual evidence of unwanted l33t diseases on our community, but then again, as I said on one of my earlier posts here, these aren't players who are active at all on ladder, so I guess it's safe to say it's not our burden to see new people just leave because of a few retrogrades out there. Chop his ****ing head (second image is from almost at the end of his review, which is somewhat extensive, mainly consisting on how bad his experience had been so far and it seems that a vast majority does agree with this guy, which is far too demeaning).


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Old 09-19-2014, 07:18 PM
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Oh God this place looks like it was made in the late 90's... vBulletin... just nope.

Soo, I completely agree with Arkog. I have played Altitude only for like 24 hours and I've seen a lot of old players complaining about the new players. I just can't understand, why. This community is so small that even really bad players, noobs, should get a warm welcome. I saw a discussion on Steam where people talked about this game being "dead". Now there are more players and still people are complaining.

Btw, here's the discussion between me and Mr.Step0

Step:
*starts a vote to kick somebody*
"Reason: Noob"

Me:
"Is that really a good reason to kick somebody?"

Step:
"He's a noob and he should play against bots : )"

Me:
"If noobs aren't allowed to play online, then why are you here?"

Step:
": )"
"I'm the biggest one"
"Score doesn't matter in this gamemode"
"This game was a lot better when it wasn't free"
"Now there are assholes and noobs all over the place"

Me:
"And by assholes you mean players who kick other players out of the servers just because they're new in the game?"

Step:
"No, I mean you : )"

Me:
"So I'm an asshole 'cause I don't want to kick noobs out of the game?"

Step:
*changes subject*
"Let me guess, you play this game only 'cause it's free?"

--Game ends and another begins--

Me:
*Kills Step*
*Kills Step again*
*...and again*
*......and again*

Step:
*Starts a vote to kick me*

Me:
*Gets kicked*
*Joins game again after 2 minutes*
"Why?"

Step:
""
*Starts another vote*

Me:
*Gets kicked again*
*ragequit*

^My whole experience with Altitude in a nutshell. Kinda sad.
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