Altitude ProLeague Preseason

evilarsenal · #1 09-21-2009, 08:11 PM

Preseason Planeball Tourney

Maplist: lostcity/mayhem/cave planeball maps

Rules: First to 5 wins, best 2 out of 3 of maps

So with registration ending, we are going to have a warmup tournament before the regular season. Teams have been split into 4 groups, and you will play 3 matches within each group, so top 2 teams from each group will move on to the 2nd week of preseason which is a small bracket. Here are the groups:

Preseason Groups
Alpha
Golden Team
Kings Live Forever
Jester's Court
Death Weeds

Beta
SSD
Holy War
Mile High
Lobstars
Freedom Fighter Squadron

Gamma
909
eX Ninjas
fLbSS
fiscal Little Bears

Theta:
Flying Terrorist Killers
Iron Team
fLb
F***ing Ninjas
Ace

Week 1 (9.27.09)
Alpha gets server 1
Beta gets server 1
Gamma gets server 2
Theta gets server 2

Server 1
Golden Team vs. Kings Live Forever 1:00 PM EST (Kings Live Forever Wins)
Jester's Court vs Death Weeds 2:00 PM EST (Death Weeds Wins)
Golden Team vs. Jester's Court 3:00 PM EST (JC Wins)
Kings Live Forever vs. Deathweeds 4:00 PM EST (Kings Live Forever Wins)
Golden Team vs Deathweeds 5:00 PM EST (Death Weeds Wins)
Kings Live Forever vs. Jester's Court 6:00 PM EST (Kings Live Forever Win)

Lobstars vs Freedom Fight Squadron 12:30 PM EST (Lobstars Win)
SSD vs Holy War 1:30 PM EST (Double Forfeit Loss)
SSD vs Mile High 2:30 PM EST (Double Forfeit Loss)
SSD vs Lobstars 3:30 PM EST (Lobstars Win)
Holy War vs Freedom Fighter Squadron 4:30 PM EST (Freedom Fighter Squadron Wins)
Holy War vs Lobstars 5:30 PM EST (Lobstars Win)
Mile High vs Freedom Fighter Squadron 6:30 PM EST (Mile High Wins)
Lobstars vs Mile High 7:00 PM EST (Mile High Wins)
Freedom Fighter Squadron vs BYE (Autowin)

Server 2
909 vs eX Ninjas 1:00 PM EST (eX Ninjas Win)
fLbSS vs fLb$ 2:00 PM EST (FLBSS Wins)
909 vs fLbSS 3:00 PM EST (Double Forfeit Loss)
eX Ninjas vs fLb$ 4:00 PM EST (fLb$ wins)
909 vs fLb$ 5:00 PM EST (fLb$ Wins)
fLbSS vs eX Ninjas 6:00 PM EST (fLbSS wins)

Flying Terrorist Killers/Iron Team/fLb/F***ing Ninjas/Ace
FLK vs IT 12:30 PM EST (Iron Team Wins)
FLK vs FN 1:30 PM EST (F***ing Ninjas Win)
FLK vs ACE 2:30 PM EST (Ace Wins)
IT vs fLb 3:30 PM EST (Iron Team Wins)
IT vs Ace 4;30 PM EST (ACE wins)
FN vs Ace 5:30 PM EST (FN Wins)
FN vs fLb 6:30 PM EST (fLb Wins)
fLb vs BYE (Autowin)

GOOD LUCK TO everyone

Btw for the placement in week 2 bracket
Alpha Winner (Kings Live Forever) vs. Beta Runner-Up (Mile High)
Beta Winner (Lobstars) vs. Gamme Runner-Up (fLb$)
Gammer Winner (fLbSS) vs Theta Runner-Up (F***ing Ninjas)
Theta Winner (fLb) vs Alpha Runner-up (Death Weeds)

Kings Live Forever vs. Mile High [MATCH A: Server #1 2:00 PM EST] (KLF Wins)
fLbSS vs. F***Ing Ninjas[MATCH B: Server #1 3:00 PM EST] (fLbSS Wins)

Lobstars vs. fLb$ [MATCH C: Server #2 2:00 PM EST] (L* Wins)
fLb vs. Death Weeds [MATCH D:Server #2 3:00 PM EST] (fLb Wins)

Winner of Match A (fLb) vs. Winner of Match B (L*) [Server #1 4:00 PM EST] (fLb Wins)
Winner of Match C (fLbSS) vs. Winner of Match D (KLF) [Server #2 4:00 PM EST] (fLbSS Wins)

Championships of Preseason [Server #1 5:00 PM EST]

fLb v fLbSS
(fLb Wins 2-1)

So good luck and have fun! This is world cup format!

Lammyboi don;t spam my forums

nobodyhome · #2 09-21-2009, 10:02 PM

hi. i don't think this is going to quite work. i see that, with all the matches you've scheduled, each match is only to be given 30 minutes. you're expecting a best of 3 planeball match to take 30 minutes? that means that if it isn't a total shutout, each planeball match is going to take 10 minutes, and that means that each goal needs to take about 1 minute.

now this is all fine and dandy because 1 minute goals aren't too unrealistic, but people are for sure going to be late, which means time is tight. compounded with the fact that you've got like 10 of these matches scheduled throughout the day, delays in the first game will only snowball till delays near the end of the day become really really bad.

i think you're gonna need some more servers, or at least reduce the amount of games.

Kuja900 · #3 09-21-2009, 10:09 PM

Were applying a time limit to the maps on our server, most points at end of 10min wins that game.

tyr · #4 09-21-2009, 10:13 PM

Oh, I see Evil didn't put it in the OP.
Every game will have a 10 minute time limit. Which means that the team that has the most goals when the time runs out wins the game, if it isn't over yet (the best of 11 goals thing still remains).

DiogenesDog · #5 09-21-2009, 11:18 PM

I like having a preseason tourney, this is a fun idea.

Actually, little 1-day tourneys would be an awesome thing to make a regular part of Alt.

Group 4 looks brutal btw, yikes.

oh and yeah, nobodyhome is right. it usually takes like 20 minutes just to get everyone in the game and ready, no way in hell are 30 minute slots going to work out. :/

anyway, planeballllllll....!

Evan20000 · #6 09-27-2009, 04:31 AM

Will any of the new maps be used or will they be tested after the season?

Kuja900 · #7 09-27-2009, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan20000

Will any of the new maps be used or will they be tested after the season?

Map list is at the top.

lost city/caves/mayhem

Evan20000 · #8 09-27-2009, 05:46 AM

That was posted before the new maps came out.

So, no changes? Also, what criteria will be used when testing the new maps post season?

evilarsenal · #9 09-27-2009, 04:18 PM

are you talking about grotto/locomotion? we are using them -.-, go read the other thread

Evan20000 · #10 09-27-2009, 06:44 PM

I meant maps like Darkwar, Bunker, etc..

eth · #11 09-27-2009, 07:12 PM

Im sorry but I really cant imagine any kind of competitive play on the new maps. Theyre probably really fun for newbies, but theyre way too large for any serious game imo. That and bouncy walls.

Evan20000 · #12 09-27-2009, 07:26 PM

Agreed. I was just curious if they would even be tested.

There's only one I could even see being used at all. Even then, it's really iffy.

wolf'j'max · #13 09-27-2009, 10:10 PM

LOL gj IT!!! Beating fLb oh and yay KLF won all 3 matches!

Edit: when i see the runner up from beta it could even be FFS when they get a win cuz of opposing teams lack of players.

Edit 2: how can we get a win of jc when the match has to be played in 35 mins from now?? Explain
Plz.

lammyboi2104 · #14 09-27-2009, 10:24 PM

???? we won, HW didnt show up how did we forfeit?

wolf'j'max · #15 09-27-2009, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lammyboi2104

???? we won, HW didnt show up how did we forfeit?

With how much ppl did you showed up? Less then 4 is also a forfeit loss.

lammyboi2104 · #16 09-27-2009, 10:45 PM

about 6 i think

Vi* · #17 09-27-2009, 10:48 PM

I don't understand why a 3v4 should be a forfeit. I vote that you can play with whatever numbers you got, if you want to try.

wolf'j'max · #18 09-27-2009, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lammyboi2104

about 6 i think

.......... Pm evil,kuja and tyr. Their the admins of the league and will read the post when the title is 'APL preseason FFS vs HW'

lammyboi2104 · #19 09-27-2009, 10:56 PM

i agree with vi and thnxs wolf but i guess ill let this one go, its just the preseason.

wolf'j'max · #20 09-27-2009, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lammyboi2104

i agree with vi and thnxs wolf but i guess ill let this one go, its just the preseason.

Uuhh thats kinda sad and not good for ur reputation its like 2 mins of work

Edit: i agree with vi too

Triped · #21 09-27-2009, 11:24 PM

I don't agree generally - if it's a five-man tourney, play five or close to it. If you can't field a team, don't enter the tournament.

BUT, this is casual and pre-season, and three is not a relatively bad showing.

bohica · #22 09-28-2009, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf'j'max

LOL gj IT!!! Beating fLb oh and yay KLF won all 3 matches!

Edit: when i see the runner up from beta it could even be FFS when they get a win cuz of opposing teams lack of players.

Edit 2: how can we get a win of jc when the match has to be played in 35 mins from now?? Explain
Plz.

Not an issue as JC fielded one player. See ya next weekend.

jk. · #23 09-28-2009, 12:35 AM

Thank You Evilarsenal and others who helped put this together.

Good Job !!

combat · #24 09-28-2009, 12:42 AM

One question evil, concerning the Theta Group runner-up. IT, fLb, and ACE all had two wins, who gets the spot?

[FN]MONXY FIST · #25 09-28-2009, 12:44 AM

Uh FN had two wins and beat ACE, IT had 2 wins and lost to ACE, flb had two wins and beat FN.Therefore flb>FN>ACE>IT.

tyr · #26 09-28-2009, 12:45 AM

Our team doesnt like ball at all. We're ready to not play the next round.
I asked Kuja that they do the same, so that less-known/good teams could have a chance to shine but apparently he doesnt want to, so I don't know.

evilarsenal · #27 09-28-2009, 12:47 AM

yea i wouldnt mind sitting out either

tyr · #28 09-28-2009, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [FN]MONXY FIST

Uh FN had two wins and beat ACE, IT had 2 wins and lost to ACE, flb had two wins and beat FN.Therefore flb>FN>ACE>IT.

This doesnt mean anything.

IT had 2 wins including one over fLb, fLb had 2 wins and beat FN, FN had 2 wins and beat ACE, ACE had 2 wins and beat IT. Therefore IT>fLb>FN>ACE>IT

combat · #29 09-28-2009, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyr

This doesnt mean anything.

IT had 2 wins including one over fLb, fLb had 2 wins and beat FN, FN had 2 wins and beat ACE, ACE had 2 wins and beat IT. Therefore IT>fLb>FN>ACE>IT

try, don't confuse me like that! ok, thanks for the info guys.

[FN]MONXY FIST · #30 09-28-2009, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyr

This doesnt mean anything.

IT had 2 wins including one over fLb, fLb had 2 wins and beat FN, FN had 2 wins and beat ACE, ACE had 2 wins and beat IT. Therefore IT>fLb>FN>ACE>IT

**** i forgot about flb and IT, jeez i sounded stupid.

Evan20000 · #31 09-28-2009, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilarsenal

Preseason Planeball Tourney
Btw for the placement in week 2 bracket
Alpha Winner (Kings Live Forever) vs. Beta Runner-Up (Lobstars)
Beta Winner (Mile High) vs. Gamme Runner-Up (fLb$)
Gammer Winner (fLbSS) vs Theta Runner-Up
Theta Winner (F***ing Ninjas) vs Alpha Runner-up (Death Weeds)

Kings Live Forever vs. Lobstars [MATCH A: Server #1 2:00 PM EST]
fLbSS vs. IT/fLb [MATCH B: Server #1 3:00 PM EST]

Mile High vs. fLb$ [MATCH C: Server #2 2:00 PM EST]
F***Ing Ninjas vs. Death Weeds [MATCH D:Server #2 3:00 PM EST]

Winner of Match A vs. Winner of Match B [Server #1 4:00 PM EST]
Winner of Match C vs. Winner of Match D [Server #2 4:00 PM EST]

Championships of Preseason [Server #1 5:00 PM EST]

Sorry if it's right in front of me, but what date are the playoffs? I only see a time.

Kuja900 · #32 09-28-2009, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan20000

Sorry if it's right in front of me, but what date are the playoffs? I only see a time.

Next Sunday, this is a 2 week tourney.

Evan20000 · #33 09-28-2009, 02:53 AM

Okay. I'll be sure to be there.

Best of luck to all finalists.

Vi* · #34 09-28-2009, 03:07 AM

How is the winner/runner up calculated? In our group, Lobstars has 3 wins and Mile High has 2, so should we not be the winner?

Evan20000 · #35 09-28-2009, 03:17 AM

I'm pretty sure they are using a swiss format+tiebreaker system.

evilarsenal · #36 09-28-2009, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vi*

How is the winner/runner up calculated? In our group, Lobstars has 3 wins and Mile High has 2, so should we not be the winner?

yes >_> lol i missed it my bad, but its preseason and it doesnt matter

edit: Mile High said they beat you

is this true?

as red as black · #37 09-28-2009, 04:34 AM

HW won everygame we played

nobodyhome · #38 09-28-2009, 07:17 AM

yeah mile high beat us because we couldn't field enough players. but that shouldn't matter, we still should be winner of our bracket because we had more wins than them.

and no, hw didn't show up to our game so they didn't win that one. although i guess arab is still right in that they won "every game they played", which is 0 games.

Beagle · #39 09-28-2009, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobodyhome

yeah mile high beat us because we couldn't field enough players. but that shouldn't matter, we still should be winner of our bracket because we had more wins than them.

I don't know what this talk of swiss scoring systems or anything is but I would have thought this was true too.

Why is MH considered as having won? And, and this is a big one, why is not being able to field 5 players an instant forfeit? What reasoning is there that means trying to play with less players in that situation is bad for the league?

DiogenesDog · #40 09-28-2009, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beagle

And, and this is a big one, why is not being able to field 5 players an instant forfeit? What reasoning is there that means trying to play with less players in that situation is bad for the league?

Yeah, I'm baffled that there's any controversy about this. Why prevent a team from playing at a monster disadvantage? I mean, you guys do realize that the alternative is that ~50% of the games are forfeits, right? You remember last season? :/