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Old 10-22-2009, 03:38 PM
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Default Guide to Bomb Running

If you want to bomb, I recommend recoilless biplane-flexible wings-turbocharger.
biplane- speed plus durability
recoilless- you can contribute to a fight while your team pushes to the other side, without sacrificing speed or position (heavy cannon can be used to snipe from a distance, allowing you to stay a bit safer while grabbing bars, but I prefer recoilless)
flexible wings- more control, allows you to dodge bullets and aim your throws quickly
turbocharger- I find myself constantly burning energy to dodge attacks and get into safe zones, and I need that energy back for my final run on the base

No matter how good you are, you aren't going to get alot of hits without your team's support. The safest way to play, and what you will generally see in league games, is to stay behind your team's screen while your team gets map control and tries to gain a numerical advantage. Join fights when an enemy is out of position or energy for a quick kill, and try not to get hit. Stay in safe zones where you wont get bomber spammed (or Spammed, if you are fighting ACE).

To bomb well, you need a strong sense of awareness and timing in order to decide when to make your final run. Keep an eye on everything that's happening, especially on the kill spam. Watch for one or two enemy planes to be dead, and one or two more to be out of energy or in no position to stop you. This is the ideal time to swoop forward and make your throw.

To be the best bomber you can, play on an empty server for a while and practice lobbing the bomb from as many places as possible. Close ones, far ones; just be able to hit the base from almost anywhere. Then be aware that you will rarely need most of those throws. Long lobs tend to be easily blocked, but the ability to make them will get you an easy hit every now and then. In general, try to get as close as your health permits before throwing, and make it the shortest, quickest throw possible.

Generally when flying in to bomb, you'll find yourself in one of five broad categories of positions:
1) No enemies in sight - Yay, throw bomb and fly away with three new bars
2) One or two enemies chasing - You need to dodge their attacks, or at least mitigate the damage taken. How you do this depends on what their planes (and to a lesser extent, their perks) are. I'm running out of time to type this, so you'll have to figure out for yourself how to do that. In this situation, throw the bomb as soon as you are in a position where you know you can hit.
3) One or two enemies in front of you - You need to do crazy deking moves. Save your energy for sneaky bursts where you dodge their attacks and fly by them. Anticipate their movements. Depending on position, you can burst and lob the bomb over/under/between them
4) Someone is trying to block your throw - Dont panic. This is super easy to deal with if you take your time. Fake a throw in front of him, he'll boost forward and has no possible way of getting back in time when you turn and throw behind him.
5) Some combination of 2-4. You're probably ****ed. Try to combine the above strategies, and good luck.

Alternatively, just ignore your team and rambo your way past all the opposition. Be super sneaky, use your energy wisely, and try to force your enemy to waste his energy committing to defense of some choke then pick another one to fly through. Do whatever you can to avoid incoming damage.

Ok I have to go.

edit-Ok I missed my bus.

extra tips and tricks:

-if you have a competent teammate with a shield, let him fly in front of you as you make your final run. You can get past alot of people that way.
-if you see a thermobarics missle firing at you, slow down and you'll probably survive it. if it's director/remote missle, its possible to boost up just before they explode it and get a speed boost from it
-DONT be afraid to fly backwards and wait for a better opportunity, no matter how many times RandomDemoBombCamper calls you a noob
-try to gain height whenever it's safe to do so as you move across the map. That way, when you go for your run, you get extra speed
-most maps have a 'standard' bombing route. It's standard for a reason: it's the fastest, easiest, and least susceptible to blocking. If you are going to use an alternate route, you'd better have a damn good reason (like if all surviving enemies are blocking the standard route)

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Old 11-11-2009, 04:54 AM
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Default [G] Guide to Bomb Running

Ok, first of all, this is not going to be a huge fancy guide with pictures and videos. My only goal is to write a guide about how to run the bomb well. Also, this is mainly for new players, so don't whine about this guide not having enough information.

In most games, there seem to be low level people spinning in place on the bomb spawn, and higher leveled people running around and killing people to boost their ratio, while not going near the bomb. It is best not to be either one of them, and this guide will help you achieve that.

1. Best planes to use

The best plane for bomb running is the biplane. It has decent speed, turning, health, and has great weapons. With its health, you can fly right up to the base and make sure that nobody can block the bomb, or you can use its speed and agility to throw the bomb far and hit the base if you are almost dead.

The second best plane for bomb running is the miranda. It is extremely weak, but you can reverse 180 degrees or teleport to a spot that you were a few seconds before. This plane is awful if you want to bomb by yourself, but great for staying out of harm's way while you wait for your teammates.

The next best plane is the loopy. It has awful health, no tailgun, mines, special moves, or anything to defend itself, but you can throw the bomb crazy distances with the loopy. If you are a demo player, this is your best choice, although it is pretty bad compared to what paid players get.

The bomber and explodet come last. They both suck at bomb running, as they are big targets and slow. The bomber is slightly better, but still bad choice. NEVER make bomb running your primary objective when you are using one of these planes. They are only useful if the bomb is close to your enemy's base and nobody is around.

2. Best perks.

Heavy armor is your best green perk, although repair drone can be useful. Flexible wings can help you throw the bomb farther, and rubber hull is obviously horrible unless you really want to piss off an explodet user.

Reverse thrust is extremely helpful. When you launch a bomb with reverse, it comes out at a different angle than normal. You can also go faster with reverse thrust than with the normal afterburner. This is the best blue perk for bombing unless you are very bad at using it. The other blue perks don't really affect bomb running much, so I won't go into detail about them.

3. Strategies.

If your team knows what they are doing, they will stop what they are doing and help you. If that is the case (which it often isn't) wait for them, as you will have NO CHANCE in a full game by yourself, unless you are VERY good.

If your team is filled with noobs/ratio whores/dumb people/etc., they will most likely not escort you. One solution that I found that works very well requires a reverse thrust/heavy armor biplane. You grab the bomb, and reverse thrust right at their base. You are almost unstoppable unless a bomber or explodet gets a good shot or two on you. EMP doesn't completely stop EMP, you are hard to aim at for bombers and biplanes, and for reciolless users, you are going too fast for them to do decent damage on you. You will often miss the base, but you will get the feel for how the bomb is dropped with reverse thrust after a while.

4. Do's and Don't's

Don't resort to the reverse thrust method unless you have to.
Don't camp the bomb. You are useless while doing this unless you are on a neutral bomb map.
Don't ratio whore. Many of the most popular players do this, but really, nobody really cares about your ratio unless you are trying to join a clan.
Do wait for cover. Nothing is more annoying than someone yelling "COVER ME!" and running head first into a wall of players from the other team.
Do circle the bomb if you can tell that it's about to spawn in the next few seconds.
Don't take the bottom route on middleground, core, cave, or any other map where the base is much higher than the ground. This makes bombing 10x more difficult as you go much slower, and the other team knows where you are anyway.
Do try to get a teammate with a shield to cover you. The shield protects him and everyone behind it, and deflects the enemies' shots back at them.
Don't waste a bomb on a turret if you have a chance at hitting the base.
ALWAYS help your teammates if one of them has a bomb.
If you must ratio whore, don't waste the bomb if you get it on accident. at least try to get to the base.
Remember that the name of the game is TEAM BASE DESTRUCTION!!, if you want to boost your ratio, go feed on the noobs in the ball servers.

I hope this helps some of the newer players, and maybe even teaches some more experienced players a couple things. Let me know if I left out anything important.

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Old 11-11-2009, 05:09 AM
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The explodet is a very viable runner with the remote mine expoit that Zid pointed out.
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:18 AM
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i say bg1 writes this guide... no offense
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:21 AM
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Why didn't I think of using reverse .
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:36 AM
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bebop did, and fLb got raped

take notes PZ~PZ~~~~ get @ me newb~~
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:42 AM
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The explodet is a very viable runner with the remote mine expoit that Zid pointed out.
But then you kinda blow yourself up
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:44 AM
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bebop did, and fLb got raped

take notes PZ~PZ~~~~ get @ me newb~~
I know that the reverse method would be useless in competitive play, but in public games where your team is filled with noobs, it works pretty well for me.
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Old 11-11-2009, 05:46 AM
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Flexi wings does nothing to improve your bomb running

Damn it!


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Old 11-11-2009, 05:47 AM
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a good guide isnt made to face noobs -.-

a guide is to make you good at a certain method or plane, owning noobs takes merely practice and not being retarded

and flexi wings do not improve bomb running? then why do the best biplane bomb runners like BG1 use it -.-
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:21 AM
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I really wat'd at the green/blue perks all are useless except for rev trust and heavy armour????? o.0 best biplane setup os recoil/flexi(health)/turbo.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:50 AM
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Yeah i think flexi or on some maps HA are the only real viable choices for biplane.
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:00 AM
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i was bombin all night with mah hippo :/

oh wellz ..
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:37 AM
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the best green perk is obviously lag... durrrr +_+
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Old 11-11-2009, 02:30 PM
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Ok I'm sorry but I get the feeling you didn't put much effort into this and/or it's just a rant against players not playing your way of "TBD".

In your strategy section, you say "you're pretty much ****ed, if you're in a pub" - which seems to be what this guide is aiming at anyway(you won't see anyone reverse thrusting a bombrun in leagues, trust me lol). So why bother writing it, if you're ****ed regardless? The perks are also quite lol, as noted before. No mention of time anchor, flexiwings discarded as nonuseful perk etc.

As for your do and don'ts.. I'll just copy paste this:

Don't ratio whore. Many of the most popular players do this, but really, nobody really cares about your ratio unless you are trying to join a clan.
If you must ratio whore, don't waste the bomb if you get it on accident. at least try to get to the base.
Remember that the name of the game is TEAM BASE DESTRUCTION!!, if you want to boost your ratio, go feed on the noobs in the ball servers.

Does this have anything to do with bombrunning?
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:59 PM
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Sorry everyone, I know that this is a crappy guide now, and I didn't put much time into it. If it is possible I would like to have it removed by an admin.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:04 PM
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Flexi wings is the only option for biplane anything, cept rev thrusters but they should not be anywhere near a bomb.


edit: there is a fine line between "ratio whoring" (which imho is an umbrella term newbs use) and playing intelligently.

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Old 11-11-2009, 10:41 PM
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flexi wing for loopy is a great perk for bomb running. ive been using it recently and getting some good xps. plane turns so fast that its hard to hit. but its bad if its out in the open with a lot of spamming. then i switch to heavy armour. or hull if there are lots of mine.
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Old 11-12-2009, 12:50 AM
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flexi wing for loopy is a great perk for bomb running. ive been using it recently and getting some good xps. plane turns so fast that its hard to hit. but its bad if its out in the open with a lot of spamming. then i switch to heavy armour. or hull if there are lots of mine.
Il agree flex loopy may have potential but thats completely irrelevant to this thread lol.
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Old 11-12-2009, 02:11 AM
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Flex loopy is like putting ice cubes on ice cream. I mean I can see it makes sense to get your turning back with the bomb, but it still weighs you down and theres still that little issue with loopy having 180 health.
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Old 11-12-2009, 02:16 AM
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I didn't mean potential in terms of bomb running.
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Old 11-12-2009, 05:24 AM
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When I bomb in reverse its because either

a) The other team sucks
b) The other team is fantastic at bomb blocking and DOESN'T suck

Flying in reverse across the map is the mocking part. It doesn't give you any advantage to just flying normally. Sure, you go a little faster, but the bomb still slows you down that much, you can't shoot anyone who's trying to take you down, and a single concussive attack will send you straight into a wall with your precious bomb.

When the team is great at blocking, this is where the actual use of reverse bombing is - bombing in reverse is like a slingshot as opposed to a drop, making the arc much less predictable and the speed of the bomb is faster. People don't expect it.

Also, using the reverse slingshot method you can bomb from much further away, due to the speed and the more direct arc.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:38 PM
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Flexi wings does nothing to improve your bomb running
Flexi Wings help a lot. It makes you more agile so you can dodge other planes.
But most importantly: it allows you to make faster and longer lobs.

On the other hand, if your team is really good and they can bruteforce the bomb in, then heavy armor is better.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:50 PM
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On the other hand, if your team is really good and they can bruteforce the bomb in
*Waves the FN flag*

>.>
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Old 11-23-2009, 05:49 PM
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I was thinking of riding from Running Spring to Big Bear but I wanted to know if it was safe. Is there a bike lane and is it safe? Also, how tough and long is the ride?
The only word that can describe this post is "wat".
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Old 11-23-2009, 09:09 PM
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Flexi Wings help a lot. It makes you more agile so you can dodge other planes.
But most importantly: it allows you to make faster and longer lobs.
Yeah...I agree with all of you I think...Flexi wings improve turning speed!
They are best for biplane and loopy.
Loopy can be very fast with flexi wings!
And biplane is a slow turning plane so flexi wings are great for him!
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Old 11-24-2009, 03:54 PM
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Yeah...I agree with all of you I think...Flexi wings improve turning speed!
Good to know, thanks.
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:58 PM
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Loopy is the best running.
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Old 11-24-2009, 09:34 PM
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Guide for bomb running


1. Start some torrents
2. Make sure your ping is 999
3. ???
4. profit
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Old 11-24-2009, 11:19 PM
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Guide for bomb running


1. Start some torrents
2. Make sure your ping is 999
3. ???
4. profit
Bombing, KLF style. :P
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Old 12-03-2009, 01:57 AM
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Bombing, KLF style. :P
lol!! true.
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Old 01-04-2010, 01:16 AM
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edit-Ok I missed my bus.
Pure win.


Great guide- some of the things I don't think I wouldve ever thought of myself. Props!
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