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#1
05-24-2010, 09:59 PM
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Rank the official maps
1. Cave
2. Asteroids 3. Heights 4. Lostcity 5. Grotto 6. Woods 7. Fallout 8. Focus 9. Justice 10. Mayhem 11. Middleground 12. Core 13. Locomotion This is for 5v5 TBD purposes with my ultra bias against neutral bomb maps in the mix. You can rank with whatever criteria you want. Also, did I miss any? Last edited by DMCM; 05-24-2010 at 10:16 PM. 
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#3
05-24-2010, 10:07 PM
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Okay, I'll add some discussion for eth's sake :
People who have left Altitude should not be able to bitch about Altitude or anything Altitude-related on the forums unless they come back to the game. Discuss.
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#4
05-24-2010, 10:14 PM
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Well there's not much to discuss IMO, but I'll comment my choices
I like maps that are well balanced for all planes. Most of the maps I like are top-centered (meaning most action happens on top) with good bomber spam routes, but also open air for the other planes and more obstacles in the miranda land below. I don't like neutral maps, not only because of all the bomb wasting, but because it is much harder for a team to make an attack. You may argue that is better because it requires better teamwork to win, but all it really does is make us wait 20 minutes instead of 2 minutes for a push goo enough to get a hit. Especially Middle and loco are way too easy to defend. Grotto and Focus are better than the others, because the bomb-spawn is not exactly in open range. It's easier to organize an attack that way.
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#6
05-24-2010, 10:27 PM
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1. space
2. cave 3. lostcity 4. core 5. fallout 6. grotto 7. woods 8. middleground 9. heights 10. Mayhem 11. focus 12. nuclear 13. Locomotion 14. justice (sorry pig its just not finished in my opinion) edit: kuja ninjaed, 1200th post woot?
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#7
05-24-2010, 10:39 PM
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1. Asteroids
2. Cave 3. Focus 4. Heights 5. Lost City 6. Justice 7. Woods 8. Middleground 9. Grotto 10. Fallout 11. Mayhem 12. Locomotion 13. Core Why Roids was first : Asteroids is an awesome map. Faction spawns and protected areas near the bases allow for excellent team coordination and strategy, as well as creative pushes. There are only 1 or 2 turrets per side which are not useful in Asteroids. The rest are well-protected and have excellent overlap in their fields of fire. Every bomb route, even the top wraparound, can be used effectively. Every plane has a chance to shine. There is plenty of cover for Mirandas to operate from. Lots of twists and turns mean that Explos have many options for slamming planes into things. Chokes at every bomb route give Bombers a chance to shine. Loopys have lots of confined areas to neutralize with EMP and Acid. Biplanes have many places to lurk around and setup ambushes in. Why Core was last : Core is a terrible map. I have no idea why so many people like it. The only bomb on the map is neutral and in a wide-open area. This area is surrounded by small chokes which make perfect aiming guides for spammers. This reduces the ability of teams to function together and make a push to the point of silliness, and it encourages bomb-wasting and long, drawn-out games. There are really only two bomb routes, and both of them end up in a virtually unobstructed expanse all around the base, meaning that defending is a no-brainer. The majority of the map's territory is taken up by large walls with little space around them. The only area in the map where a team can gather other than the base is the middle, and that is nothing more than a giant killzone. This makes team coordination and strategy difficult at best. The only turret that is useful to either team is the front one, and that is pitifully easy to destroy. Powerups are few, and are awkwardly placed.
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05-24-2010, 10:49 PM
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#10
05-24-2010, 10:51 PM
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i totally agree about core.
Roids and cave i like, i think maps with bombs on each side lead to more strat and less of a go in spam, take bomb, with disadvantage drop (rinse and repeat)
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#11
05-24-2010, 11:06 PM
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1. Asteroids
2. Cave 50. everything else 250. grotto Asteroids and cave are in my mind the two best maps by far as you can see. Their size is perfect for 5v5 as every plane has it's place and I think it's the perfect balance for the size. The other maps are maybe a little bit too big. Grotto is just bad. extremely campy map, and attacks are difficult because of the space around the bases that are pretty easy to defend with a couple of explodets. Leads very easily to 20-25 minute games, and the middle is no better. Lots of spam to try to get the bomb and in many cases it's wasted anyway, because both teams are just sitting on their side waiting for the bomb to spawn, and when they do, the guy that picks it first gets focused by the whole enemy team immediately and has to drop it. The gameplay on this map is just lame and boring.
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#12
05-24-2010, 11:10 PM
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1. Fallout - Just an interesting map that seems well-paced. Games never seen too short or too long, and I always have lots of fun moments here. Maybe I'd like it less if I played it more though, I dunno.
2. Asteroids - I really like how there are several very viable routes here and taking down the turrets is meaningful but not required. My major gripe is that I think bomber is massively OP on Roids. Those lanes are just spam heaven, and bombers are so great at taking down the turrets. Bleh. 3. Heights - Just a solid, basic map. Art can be annoying and unclear, but otherwise I like it a lot. 4. Mayhem - Fun and unique. The only map I've played with two center bomb spawns! I like the constant communication in league games to let everyone know where the next spawn will be, and the uncertainty whether it'll be a bomb or a health pack. 5. Grotto - Excellent, well-paced center bomb map. Probably is actually a better map than most of the ones above it on this list. 6. Cave - excellent map. A testament to the quality of maps we have that this is so low! 7. Woods - I dunno why everyone hates Woods. It's fine. 8. Core - Fun, but games take a little long sometimes and I dislike the dynamic of being so exposed in the center and so many kills being due to random spam. 9. Lostcity - Not horrible, but too campy. 10. Locomotion - Games just take too damn long. 11. Middleground - Ditto. Maps I don't know well enough to rank: Justice (the little I played though made me wonder why it's so widely hated) Focus (I don't think I've ever even seen this map :/)
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#13
05-24-2010, 11:16 PM
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1. Grotto - I fell in love with this map the first time I played it.
2. Core - one of the first maps I ever played on Altitude. I love it. 3. Mayhem - this map is awesome. 4. Heights - fun map to play. 5. Justice - not a bad map in my opinion. 6. Cave - I hate cave 7. Lostcity - good for FFA. 8. Middleground - pretty good. 9. Asteroids - it is okay. 10. Football- the best loopy map ever. Grotto is a good map because it takes team work to win. ^ ^ The ball version of grotto is just pure awesome.
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#17
05-25-2010, 12:51 AM
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I was doing this but i dont think its fair to say that maps suck or do a list of maps since people worked hard on doing them. im just gonna make some categories and post what i think the best maps for each category are.
Overall Gameplay - Asteroids - Cave Team Bomb - Fallout - Lostcity Neutral bomb - Middleground - Mayhem Graphics - Nuclear - Underpark - Hills
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05-25-2010, 12:57 AM
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05-25-2010, 01:50 AM
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Obviously all of this means no offense to the map creators.
I know all of them worked very hard to make those. One of these days I'll make one myself. It's not their fault we don't like how the map is usually played. I used to dislike Fallout (and LC and Woods) for that reason, but all that open space can be used well by all planes witht he exception of thermo explodets and mirandas making some good pushes. Even Hills with a little more horizontal space and a couple obstacles before the base would be great.
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#23
05-25-2010, 02:28 AM
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Cave - THE quintessential map. The whole map from top to bottom and left to right sees action and there are multiple equally valid ways to attack and defend. Simple yet creative.
Mayhem - The best test of game sense and team cooperation of any map. A map that's always full of exciting moments and sick plays. Asteroids - hugely overrated and overplayed but still good. It would be more enjoyable if it weren't always THE pick for map changes. Let the maps rotate, people. Grotto - underrated and fun, an easy pick for fourth place. Focus - creative but a little too straightforward? Needs more play. Core - a good map that can take too long sometimes. Flawed but fun. LostCity - works much better in BALL than TBD. Heights - pretty and boring. Tries to be Cave and fails. Locomotion and Middlegrounds - "turn my mind off" maps. Woods - bad. Hills - worse. Justice - worst.
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#25
05-25-2010, 04:31 AM
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Eh screw it ima try this
1. Asteroids 2. Heights 3. Fallout 4. Caves 5. Focus (needs better graphics >.>) 6. Lost City 7. Woods 8. Middleground 9. Mayhem 10. Locomotion ---------This is the point where I have very little love for the following maps 11. Grotto 12. Nuclear 13. Justice 1-10 I generally enjoy most of the time but for the rest: Grotto is a camp encouraging ****fest 90% of the time (although its fun in ball mode) and the graphics are not up to par with the rest of the pool, Nuclear's layout just is not imaginative and relatively boring and not fun to play, Justice has an imbalance for one side of the map and a glaring backround that makes my eyes cringe.
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#26
05-25-2010, 08:10 AM
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My list is like this: 1. Cave 2. Fallout 3. Roids 4. Heights 5. Mayhem 6. Lost City 7: Grotto 8. Middleground 9. Locomotion 13.Core 14. "woods"
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#27
05-25-2010, 08:12 AM
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Maimer posted the maps he made, Roids was made by protest. Anyway:
1. Roids 2. Cave 3. Focus (Best neutral bomb map out there) 4. Fallout 5. Heights Not gonna list more cause I'm a huge protester of neutral bombs, they just play too slow. The rest of the normal maps are all about the same. Also people knocking on Justice wtf, the only thing the maps needs is a couple of bottom turrets to stop low being too easy. The thing I love about justice is that it's so fast to play. IMO the only map to resemble ball games in speed.
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#28
05-25-2010, 11:19 AM
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Asteroids is for me the best map. It has the "perfect space" - map creators should try to mimic/adapt - not an easy job! I totaly disagree the bitching on Core, wich i like very much, and map bitching in general. Wonder if u guys would want all maps the same space/depth/speed? Wouldnt it get boring?... Justice graphics are imo, the best ART alti has, and im sry thats not a very good map, but thats easy fix as Storm said. Fallout has great art too. IMO all official maps should fit in the competion, theres now no reason for maps repetition. Last edited by Mandrad; 05-25-2010 at 12:41 PM.
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#29
05-25-2010, 12:00 PM
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Symmetrical justice with a less brighter background would make it into my top 5, I like it its fast and it has some good bombing routes also if low is a bit too easy. I can try playing with that map if its ok with pig.
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#31
05-25-2010, 12:22 PM
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When you explain it this way, I have to agree with every point you made. In tbd_core I usually play the flak bomber and try to control the center while in most other maps I play the flexy recoiless biplane and try a lot of bomb running. I feel like bomb-running doesn't pay in core cause it's too easy to defend, while trying to control the center with a bomber, is very rewarding because of all the choke points. I usually play in public servers, which gives me this freedom to choose the role I will play (specially because there's never a lack of bomb campers willing to pick the bomb and die with it) but I reckon that in structured teams, this is a major "DON'T" for this map.
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#33
05-25-2010, 05:54 PM
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Sin i like woods alot and i don't know why peoppe dislike it.
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#34
05-25-2010, 07:49 PM
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Grotto asteroids mayhem grotto cave
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05-26-2010, 01:27 AM
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Woods reminds me a lot of that map we used to be in rotation, that had a pyramid in the middle? The arrangement of the obstacles just creates the wrong flow for the map. Core's ONLY flaw is that it takes too long. If you give it the Focus Fix - have a health spawn with the bomb - it would be in my top 5 maps.
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