APL 5 Standings

Wok3N^ · #1 03-24-2011, 07:50 PM

Match win = 1 Point
Game win = 1 point
Tie = 0 point

andy · #2 03-24-2011, 07:50 PM

York · #3 03-24-2011, 09:24 PM

IL is ranked last place wtf, this isn't right

Why does control always use 4 smilies at the end of his posts? Does he really feel 4 emotions at the same time?

[Y] · #4 03-24-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by York

IL is ranked last place wtf

I call shenanigans.

nobodyhome · #5 03-24-2011, 10:05 PM

May I suggest that in addition to the way you currently present results, that the results also be presented in a matrix form? For example something like:

Code:

          L*       fLb        IL
L*       -          W
fLb      L          -         L
IL                  W         -

That way we can easily glance the fLb row and see that they've lost against L* and IL, and that L* and IL haven't yet played, etc.

With the current way you may be able to see that for example maybe both fLb and L* have records of 5-2 but it doesn't necessarily mean they're even if L* won against PR and fLb hasn't played PR yet.

andy · #6 03-24-2011, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nobodyhome

May I suggest that in addition to the way you currently present results, that the results also be presented in a matrix form? For example something like:

Code:

          L*       fLb        IL
L*       -          W
fLb      L          -         L
IL                  W         -

That way we can easily glance the fLb row and see that they've lost against L* and IL, and that L* and IL haven't yet played, etc.

With the current way you may be able to see that for example maybe both fLb and L* have records of 5-2 but it doesn't necessarily mean they're even if L* won against PR and fLb hasn't played PR yet.

Sure wok3n can do it for you.

ViPR · #7 03-25-2011, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by York

IL is ranked last place wtf, this isn't right

you read it wrong, IL is ranked 4th.

The teams listed at the bottom are not listed in rank order, for some reason..

andy · #8 03-25-2011, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ViPR

you read it wrong, IL is ranked 4th.

The teams listed at the bottom are not listed in rank order, for some reason..

The seeds were random, wok3n did them.

Wok3N^ · #9 03-25-2011, 12:13 AM

Seeds don't mean anything in round robins anyways.

York · #10 03-25-2011, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ViPR

you read it wrong, IL is ranked 4th.

The teams listed at the bottom are not listed in rank order, for some reason..

You are incredibly wrong, and it's quite sad seeing that I was joking anyways.

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Originally Posted by andy

The seeds were random, wok3n did them.

See the post above me

andy · #11 03-25-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by York

You are incredibly wrong, and it's quite sad seeing that I was joking anyways.

See the post above me

Ya thats why they were randomly seeded. We discussed it together and came to the conclusion that it doesnt change anything.

York · #12 03-25-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by andy

Ya thats why they were randomly seeded. We discussed it together and came to the conclusion that it doesnt change anything.

! I know that lol. I am referring to the ranks at the bottom of the list. Everyone is tied so they are just randomly placed. But once again, I wasn't serious so nothing matter.

ViPR · #13 03-25-2011, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by York

You are incredibly wrong, and it's quite sad seeing that I was joking anyways.

lol **** you don't patronize me, clearly i made a mistake as i thought you did. Difference is i tried to correct the mistake i thought you made instead of being a ****ing douche bag. Show some ****ing respect.

You IL cunts are so full of yourselves lol.

Mt.Vesuvius · #14 03-25-2011, 10:57 PM

Nou
10chars

Wok3N^ · #15 03-25-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ViPR

lol **** you don't patronize me, clearly i made a mistake as i thought you did. Difference is i tried to correct the mistake i thought you made instead of being a ****ing douche bag. Show some ****ing respect.

You IL cunts are so full of yourselves lol.

Like a voipah. Love you buddy

[Y] · #16 03-26-2011, 12:46 AM

lol he so maide

York · #17 03-26-2011, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ViPR

lol **** you don't patronize me, clearly i made a mistake as i thought you did. Difference is i tried to correct the mistake i thought you made instead of being a ****ing douche bag. Show some ****ing respect.

You IL cunts are so full of yourselves lol.

Okay so we both made mistakes and you taking it to the next record won't help ****.

Peace - consider it official

Wok3N^ · #18 03-27-2011, 09:55 PM

Week 1 scores are updated.

Ribilla · #19 03-27-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wok3N^

Week 1 scores are updated.

Don't points come into it? As in IL won 2 matches 2 - 0, but bong's won 2 matches 2 - 1, yet we have the same points.

Tosconi · #20 03-27-2011, 11:21 PM

it counts for the losing teams (in case of area 51 and Lobstars), who get 1 point from a 1-2 loss.

Kennedy · #21 03-28-2011, 04:14 AM

Shave The Fro!

MintzMachete · #22 03-28-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kennedy

shave the fro!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

udienow fro

York · #23 04-04-2011, 12:59 AM

updates please

andy · #24 04-04-2011, 02:02 AM

Scores updated, tell me if theres something wrong because i wasnt there and got the scores from the thread..

evilarsenal · #25 04-04-2011, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tosconi

it counts for the losing teams (in case of area 51 and Lobstars), who get 1 point from a 1-2 loss.

don't worry, these points are being accounted for, but they don't show. The challonge table doesnt offer this feature, so we can't show you!

andy · #26 04-04-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by evilarsenal

don't worry, these points are being accounted for, but they don't show. The challonge table doesnt offer this feature, so we can't show you!

They do show!! Check the points section they are already accounted.

evilarsenal · #27 04-04-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by andy

They do show!! Check the points section they are already accounted.

no it doesnt, PR lost a round to Bong's, so technically, IL is in first but Challonge doesnt show it... Also, after first week, 4 teams were 2-0, but Bong's lost 1 round (4-1 overall), yet they were 3rd place in first, when the 3 other teams undefeated were ahead of them... challonge 100% does not show this

andy · #28 04-04-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by evilarsenal

no it doesnt, PR lost a round to Bong's, so technically, IL is in first but Challonge doesnt show it... Also, after first week, 4 teams were 2-0, but Bong's lost 1 round (4-1 overall), yet they were 3rd place in first, when the 3 other teams undefeated were ahead of them... challonge 100% does not show this

He was talking about the 1 point from the 2-1 loss-

Ribilla · #29 04-04-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by evilarsenal

no it doesnt, PR lost a round to Bong's, so technically, IL is in first but Challonge doesnt show it... Also, after first week, 4 teams were 2-0, but Bong's lost 1 round (4-1 overall), yet they were 3rd place in first, when the 3 other teams undefeated were ahead of them... challonge 100% does not show this

^^ Arsenal has a point though, why aren't 2 - 1 wins as opposed to 2 - 0 win shown in the standings?

andy · #30 04-04-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ribilla

^^ Arsenal has a point though, why aren't 2 - 1 wins as opposed to 2 - 0 win shown in the standings?

because it has always been done like this and we didnt see a point in changing it.
In the end if there is a tiebreaker direct-match winner will get better seed.

evilarsenal · #31 04-04-2011, 10:43 PM

actually, this is APL, and its always been done the way i said it... season 1, flb and ACE were 7-1, but fLb won 2-1, and lost 2-1, whereas ACE losst one game 2-1 and won every other game 2-0... so that 1 round difference places teams on a completely different place in the bracket. FN was also 7-1 at that time, and they got 3rd... because fLb was 14-3 in rw/rl, and FN was 14-4 in rounds won and rounds lost, ACe was 15-2

see, if its direct match winner, then wat happens when 3 teams who all baet on another have the same record?, fLb > ace 2-0 , ace > TC 2-0, tc > flb 2-0, all teams have a 2-2 record but who gets first place? direct match winner wouldn't even work.

even if the scores were, fLb > ace 2-0, ace > TC 2-1, TC > fLb 2-1, flb would be 3-2, ace would be 2-2, and tc would be 3-3, so flb would be first, TC second, and then Ace 3rd... but to ur method, there would be no validity, which is why every round counts

if its direct-match winner, then a team who did better in one game, gets a spot in playoffs rather than a team who did better overall in the season? That isn't fair. A team is certainly better if they won 2-0, then a team that won 2-1 against the same team. It's a huge difference, and i don't know where u got "it's always been like this" from, because that's a blatant lie.

The direct match winner is only if they have the same ratio of rounds won/rounds lost and same amount of points, otherwise the team with the higher ratio would win...

DONE ANDY TITS OR GTFO

p.s. also, a team goes 7-1, and they win all their matches 2-0, and lose 2-1 the only game, so they are 15-2... a team that beat them, won 2-1, lost another game 2-1, and won every other game 2-1... so they would be 7-1, but they would be 15-9, so the 15-9 team would get a seed higher than the 15-2 team? ur argument is inVALIDATED

evilarsenal · #32 04-04-2011, 10:57 PM

like i said, i pointed this out to woken right after week 1 was updated, so these kinds of things are being accounted for, just the format that Woken has decided isn't the best display, it is easier for everyone to read, if these rounds do make a difference in the end, they will be displayed but if it makes no difference, then they will still be accounted for when we display seeds and how everyone got their position

Currently, IL is in first place, grats

andy · #33 04-04-2011, 10:58 PM

So what if for example:

IL wins every game 2-0 but the PR game
fLb wins every game 2-0 but the IL game
PR wins every game 2-0 but the fLb game

evilarsenal · #34 04-04-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ribilla

Don't points come into it? As in IL won 2 matches 2 - 0, but bong's won 2 matches 2 - 1, yet we have the same points.

andy, here's the original post, and he wasnt talking about the loss, the rounds lost does not come into play, as teams were ranked the same if they won 2-0 or 2-1, as in first week, 4 teams were 2-0, but Bong's was ranked the same amongst everyone when infact, they were 4th place instead of tied for 1st... 3 teams were ahead of them due to the fact that they lost that one round..

week 2, PR and IL are ranked the same, or tied for first, yet PR lost a round to bongs, and IL didnt... IL is 8-0, and PR is 8-1, so IL get's first place, but the table doesn't show it...

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Originally Posted by andy

He was talking about the 1 point from the 2-1 loss-

no

evilarsenal · #35 04-04-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by andy

So what if for example:

IL wins every game 2-0 but the PR game
fLb wins every game 2-0 but the IL game
PR wins every game 2-0 but the fLb game

then we look at the rest of the season, i just described this situation.. read my posts... this has been basic rules since season 1... If teams are an exact tie, if in this case 3. im in class brb fffuuuuuuuuu

evilarsenal · #36 04-05-2011, 12:25 AM

ok back, i'm going to ask for screen shots from every team, and whatever team had the most health on every screenshot added, (would photoshop everything together), then they would recieve first place

that is, of course, teams have been taking screen shots

, if they havent, they will automatically be seeded lower than the other teams

andy · #37 04-05-2011, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by evilarsenal

ok back, i'm going to ask for screen shots from every team, and whatever team had the most health on every screenshot added, (would photoshop everything together), then they would recieve first place

that is, of course, teams have been taking screen shots

, if they havent, they will automatically be seeded lower than the other teams

Ok cool we will do this!!

Be sure to send evil all the screenshots so he can add up base damage

By the way i see what you mean but still what rib was asking was about points and round losses dont actually affect points, they come in just if you have a tie (so a team that wins all the games 2-1 is first no matter what)

Mt.Vesuvius · #38 04-05-2011, 01:08 AM

I would have to agree with evil because of his logic. I expect fLb to tie IL when fLb plays the matches that they rescheduled. But who knows. They could get beat by 51 or BB..

evilarsenal · #39 04-05-2011, 01:16 AM

Newermind gaiz

York · #40 04-05-2011, 03:07 AM

These are my 100% biased predictions; UP THE IRONS!

IL 9-0
fLb 8-1
PR 7-2
| 6-3
51 5-4
FRO 4-5
KLF 3-6
L* 2-7
BB 1-8
DS 0-9

If the playoffs are single elim:

If the playoffs are double elim:

I really like KLF and L* in the playoffs. Even though I think they will get smashed and re-smashed in the season, they are a veteran team and they will punish | and FRO in the playoffs. 51 is also my sleeper pick. Although I don't think they even stand a chance for 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place, they can easily get that 4th place.