Can Kanteh get a permanent ban yet?

DMCM · #1 03-30-2011, 01:28 AM

The guy refuses to play anything but rev biplane out of spite and gives away wins everyday because of that, both in tbd and ball ladders.

Ribilla · #2 03-30-2011, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DMCM

The guy refuses to play anything but rev biplane out of spite and gives away wins everyday because of that, both in tbd and ball ladders.

QFT, he isn't THE worst player out there, but he is close. It's his refusal to listen which is most annoying. Maybe a small but tangible ban would be the best thing, then if he persists the mods can decide what to do.

Wok3N^ · #3 03-30-2011, 01:52 AM

Requests have been made like this and have not been successful. A player is allowed to play reverse as long as it is apparent that he tries. From what I have seen, Kanteh does in fact try in his ladder games and actually listens if he is respectfully asked to switch to another plane. I have seen him play standard bomber and laser setups.

Basically, hes not getting banned for his current play.

XX1 · #4 03-30-2011, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Wok3N^

Requests have been made like this and have not been successful. A player is allowed to play reverse as long as it is apparent that he tries. From what I have seen, Kanteh does in fact try in his ladder games and actually listens if he is respectfully asked to switch to another plane. I have seen him play standard bomber and laser setups.

Basically, hes not getting banned for his current play.

O f off woken, even you get frustrated with him revving on your team. It's getting purty annoying and pussy nobo can't ban people for being bad -_-

shrode · #5 03-30-2011, 02:15 AM

Kanteh... more like Can'teh AM I RIGHT

Wok3N^ · #6 03-30-2011, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by XX1

O f off woken, even you get frustrated with him revving on your team. It's getting purty annoying and pussy nobo can't ban people for being bad -_-

Yes I have been frustrated but if you ask him to play something else without raging, he will listen. There are many players like him that play in ladder. There are no rules against what he does. It is as simple as that.

Kuja900 · #7 03-30-2011, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wok3N^

Yes I have been frustrated but if you ask him to play something else without raging, he will listen. There are many players like him that play in ladder. There are no rules against what he does. It is as simple as that.

Why aren't there? It's really not too much of a request to ask that new players in ladder play planes that the general consensus is agreed upon are viable to keep the game as fun as possible.

classicallad · #8 03-30-2011, 02:35 AM

Since when do you care about fun Kuja lol

Pieface · #9 03-30-2011, 02:44 AM

In an ideal ladder system he'd fall to a really low ranking that represents his skill level and stop affecting others. Hopefully that will happen a bit faster in season 2?

Kuja900 · #10 03-30-2011, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by classicallad

Since when do you care about fun Kuja lol

I always cared about fun. Winning 2d plane games makes me have a lot of fun.

Fartface · #11 03-30-2011, 02:47 AM

Tbh I haven't looked at his rating but besides the fact that he plays reverse thrust, he seems really good at pewpewing things

blln4lyf · #12 03-30-2011, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Fartface

Tbh I haven't looked at his rating but besides the fact that he plays reverse thrust, he seems really good at pewpewing things

His rating is about 800 in both TBD and Ball. Yes, he must be really good at pewpewing things, not.

Kuja900 · #13 03-30-2011, 03:50 AM

If 15v15 was an effective game mode then having some weak players on a team may not be a problem. But when its 5v5 the disadvantage of having even one player who lacks basics is just too much to deal with and ruins the game.

Wok3N^ · #14 03-30-2011, 03:57 AM

The most ideal situation would be to have tiered ladders such as SC2 having bronze/silver/gold etc. However, we don't have the player base to do such a thing. We are lucky enough that we consistently get enough players to play in ladder. Nobo wanted to make a ladder where everyone is invited to play with obvious rules and consequences for certain actions or behaviors. Beyond the plane composition argument, we are stuck with what we have in terms of allowing all skill levels in ladder.

[Y] · #15 03-30-2011, 04:12 AM

Can we have duels ladder yet?

sunshineduck · #16 03-30-2011, 04:15 AM

everything woken said, basically.

we never have and are never going to start banning people for not playing well as long as they are, in fact, trying to win. playing suboptimal setups is annoying, but is not a bannable offense as long as it isn't clear that the person is question is trying. there is obviously a ton of gray area and lots of room for indecision, but that's the best that can be done.

if you don't want to play with him, don't join ladder games that he's in. it's really that simple.

Stormich · #17 03-30-2011, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sunshineduck

everything woken said, basically.

we never have and are never going to start banning people for not playing well as long as they are, in fact, trying to win. playing suboptimal setups is annoying, but is not a bannable offense as long as it isn't clear that the person is question is trying. there is obviously a ton of gray area and lots of room for indecision, but that's the best that can be done.

if you don't want to play with him, don't join ladder games that he's in. it's really that simple.

Main reason why I mostly quit playing ladder. I think Mike has a similar opinion. Personally I think things are too liberal in ladder making the whole supposed competitive experience worse than it could be.

Jrathje · #18 03-30-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormich

Main reason why I mostly quit playing ladder. I think Mike has a similar opinion. Personally I think things are too liberal in ladder making the whole supposed competitive experience worse than it could be.

Define "liberal".

Stormich · #19 03-30-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jrathje

Define "liberal".

Not banning for people with retarded setups that never learn.

Bans too short to be worth a learning experience.

Not enough perma bans on people who obviouly have nothing to do in ladder.

I'm done with this thread, just wanted to share my thoughts about the "competitive" scene. I'm pretty sure a lot of the "better" players share my viewpoint since I've talked to a lot of them, just that in the absence of a better setup they're stuck with this. IMO the best competition that alti ever had was captains games, too bad they took so long to start

elxir · #20 03-30-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormich

IMO the best competition that alti ever had was captains games, too bad they took so long to start

yup

not only did bad players not get picked (except the given "we'll try you - don't **** it up" picks), but good players were picked to play plane X, not plane whatever the **** they feel like

there was actually some form of accountability for your gameplay - if you wanted to keep playing, you had to actually try to be better

nowadays the only good games come once in a blue moon when all the players are good, and sometimes in SL and APL

elxir · #21 03-30-2011, 09:00 AM

i'll keep playing ladder only because public servers are such a mind****...like football servers are probably the best of the bunch because people actually care about winning and the football servers have developed their own strategic playstyles, unlike the awfulness of other tbd/ball servers...

removing the ability to vote kick players also has increased the number of awful setups and trolling generally...previously people would get kicked for ignoring an entire team/server begging them to change setups...now they either ignore you completely or swear at you

it's sad really because i can tell from my experiences in this past skyleague that i don't try as hard in ladder anymore. i just go through the motions most of the time, and i'm effective, but my play in SL made me realize that i just don't feel like maintaining that level of focus in ladder games because it's quite irritating. hence why i don't even bother playing DF 95% of the time. it's just not worth giving my best only to have some teammate who doesn't have a clue.

elxir · #22 03-30-2011, 09:12 AM

hi nobo i love you

Tekn0 · #23 03-30-2011, 11:28 AM

It is well about time we had this thread.

Just for the record, he muted me and VipMattMan for respectfully asking him to play Loopy several weeks ago.

Also I don't really want him banned, I simply spectate till he leaves.

BTW, if any setup can be played why do we need level 13 for Heavy armour? People play rubber hull on ladders anyway.

andy · #24 03-30-2011, 11:43 AM

I don't get why he is allowed to play 4 games going 3-18 with HC-repair-reverse, taking the bomb in reverse and just flying around the map doing nothing useful and then the next game playing suppressor-HA-ultra with a 15-7 ratio. When the entire server asks you to switch from a setup you should just do it. He obviously tries when he wants to and his sniplane isnt trying this is why i would like him banned untile he understands that he should try in all games.

DMCM · #25 03-30-2011, 12:03 PM

You really think a player is "trying" to win when he refuses to change from a setup where he gets at best a 0.25 ratio or something in that region and does next to nothing to help his team?

By the way, I alraedy did what you suggested, I never play a ladder game when Kanteh is in the server. I'm not asking this for myself, asking it for everyone that likes competitive ladder.

Mt.Vesuvius · #26 03-30-2011, 12:15 PM

Not sure why I'm doing this.. BUT

In kanteh's defence, whenever I see him flying reverse biplane he is maintaining a constant 1 ratio, keeping the top kills on his team and not actually doing terrible. It is true, that he could be so much better if he didn't use reverse, but he's better than a a lot of people I've seen, and when I asked him to play bomber(no rage) he did.

andy · #27 03-30-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt.Vesuvius

Not sure why I'm doing this.. BUT

In kanteh's defence, whenever I see him flying reverse biplane he is maintaining a constant 1 ratio, keeping the top kills on his team and not actually doing terrible. It is true, that he could be so much better if he didn't use reverse, but he's better than a a lot of people I've seen, and when I asked him to play bomber(no rage) he did.

We played at least 10 games with him yesterday and he was constantly last on the scoreboard with at max a .25 ratio.

Goose · #28 03-30-2011, 01:40 PM

Kanteh playing rev biplane in ladder creates many positive things:

1) Having him on your team makes your ladder game more of a challenge. You have to really step up your game if you want to win, and when you do it is more satisfying.

2)You get to witness people raging at Kanteh which provides a lot of lulz.(I think lix so far has provided the best Kanteh rage, but i'm sure someone else will come up with some good stuff soon

) More rage in ladder = funnier spec chat convos, epic rage quits, etc. These things all make my ladder experience much more enjoyable, and also help with bonding our community.

Tekn0 · #29 03-30-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Goose

Kanteh playing rev biplane in ladder creates many positive things:

1) Having him on your team makes your ladder game more of a challenge. You have to really step up your game if you want to win, and when you do it is more satisfying.

2)You get to witness people raging at Kanteh which provides a lot of lulz.(I think lix so far has provided the best Kanteh rage, but i'm sure someone else will come up with some good stuff soon

) More rage in ladder = funnier spec chat convos, epic rage quits, etc. These things all make my ladder experience much more enjoyable, and also help with bonding our community.

# 2 is more fun while spec'ing with a feeling "hehe, it's not just -me- getting screwed over, hell yeah!"

Tekn0 · #30 03-30-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by andy

We played at least 10 games with him yesterday and he was constantly last on the scoreboard with at max a .25 ratio.

Also this QFT. Kanteh getting teh top kills on his teams?? Vesu... which utopian ladder lalaland was this?

Kuja900 · #31 03-30-2011, 02:34 PM

I really do not see why banning reverse is such an issue, or at least reverse bip. Its been abundantly clear throughout the entirety of my altitude career that reverse is an inferior perk. Its common and accepted knowledge among the majority. I'm sure people who want to play ladder are not going to stop playing ladder over reverse not being usable.

Kuja900 · #32 03-30-2011, 02:37 PM

Also if your entire team is telling you that your strategy is not conducive to their winning the game, continuing to use such a strategy counts as intentionally throwing the game in my opinion. If your new to ladder not accepting the word of 4 other players on your team all of which have far more experience then they as truth is just plain stupid and should not be accommodated.

XX1 · #33 03-30-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elxir

i'll keep playing ladder only because public servers are such a mind****...like football servers are probably the best of the bunch because people actually care about winning and the football servers have developed their own strategic playstyles, unlike the awfulness of other tbd/ball servers...

removing the ability to vote kick players also has increased the number of awful setups and trolling generally...previously people would get kicked for ignoring an entire team/server begging them to change setups...now they either ignore you completely or swear at you

it's sad really because i can tell from my experiences in this past skyleague that i don't try as hard in ladder anymore. i just go through the motions most of the time, and i'm effective, but my play in SL made me realize that i just don't feel like maintaining that level of focus in ladder games because it's quite irritating. hence why i don't even bother playing DF 95% of the time. it's just not worth giving my best only to have some teammate who doesn't have a clue.

Yes, Ladder is by far one of the reasons why i still play this game. Official servers are so filled with like some worst players.. No one will complain if you go reverse time anchor there, or any Bs setup, unlike in ladder... It's
supposed to be a more competitive environment for the most part.

The vote kick system being removed is yet another things i don't really agree with. It was a cheap easy way to boot people who have nothing to do in the server.

Lol on your last paragraph elixir, SL was super easy. We had great players and good chemistry. But its another story in ladder.

Boko · #34 03-30-2011, 04:09 PM

if (player.getRating() < 1000)
{
player.ban();
}

gg

Wok3N^ · #35 03-30-2011, 04:12 PM

The vote kick system wasn't in place for kicking people like kanteh. In fact, if you did vote kick Kanteh (even in lobby) for how he is playing now, you would have been punished for it. I do agree that reverse biplane creates a hindrance to any team. There have been many long discussions on this topic. Feel free to browse through past threads.

The OP was asking for a ban on kanteh due to his plane composition which he will definitely not receive.

trendy11one · #36 03-30-2011, 04:15 PM

Woken, you say we have to ask him respectfully. Imagine. Some player rage on kanteh. After that rest of team asks him to switch. He refuse our request. And where is respect from kanteh? Or you want to all ladder being nice with him and Great Kanteh would be kind to switch, otherwise he keep throwing games? BS.

Wok3N^ · #37 03-30-2011, 04:20 PM

Just because one is respectful to him now, will not cause him to switch. It is not as if he forgets how he is treated. I always warn new players who come to ladder that ladder is a harsh environment and that they will be literally verbally abused if they don't play up to a certain standard. From my experience with Kanteh, respect has worked. However, for many of you, your rage at kanteh has either caused him to mute you or not care what you say.

Smushface · #38 03-30-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by trendy11one

Woken, you say we have to ask him respectfully. Imagine. Some player rage on kanteh. After that rest of team asks him to switch. He refuse our request. And where is respect from kanteh? Or you want to all ladder being nice with him and Great Kanteh would be kind to switch, otherwise he keep throwing games? BS.

Coming into a private server that caters to the more competitive players in Altitude and ruining the experience for 9 other people is disrespectful in and of itself. You don't show up to pick-up basketball games and decide to use hopping as your primary form of movement and then get outraged when everyone on the court yells at you to use both of your legs.

That being said, even though I despise Kanteh and largely blame him, TwistedDuck, and Extremely Sad for my sub top-20 rank, we can't ban for bad. Nobo has tried to make the way bans work as transparent as possible and it would quickly turn into a **** show if we could ban for sub-par play.

Tekn0 · #39 03-30-2011, 04:37 PM

"Respect has worked" ? I think it's more like "Admin has worked". He probably listened because you were an admin. At least that's the way I see it.

He took screenshots when I told him I'd report him to admins if he is deliberately throwing games and his wonderful brain somehow interpreted it as I'm creating a conspiracy to get him banned because he plays badly. I have absolutely no problem with his skill level.

You think all of us raged immediately on him? You think VipMattMan raged on him? Yet he got muted.

Wok3N^ · #40 03-30-2011, 04:46 PM

I have only been admin for a short amount of time tekno. But anyways, I am not disagreeing with any of your arguments about Kanteh hindering your games. However, what smush has said what I have said. Nobo has made the rules as they stand. If you don't want to play when kanteh is there, then don't.