1dm ladder

[blarg]

lately 1dm seems to be growing, and there's been some interest in the last few months for a 1dm ladder. this week's 1dm tournament is seeing ample participation from high level players, both 1dm regulars and players from other game modes. the pineapples 1dm server fills up nearly every day and often the games get pretty competitive. and with the 1dm tournament finally happening, i think the time is right for a ladder to be setup. a ladder would get even more good players interested in the game mode, which would be great.

in anticipation of doubts about whether 1dm ladder games could ever get started, consider this: firstly, games could work well at 4v4 or 5v5. 1dm games even work fine at lower team sizes, though the existing ladder rating system would probably begin to lose meaning if many games were played at 3v3 or less. but because of this, i think games could get started much more easily because people could play with small teams while waiting for more to join. starting up a 1dm ladder server could be even easier than starting a ball one, despite it being less popular, because you won't have to just sit idle in the server while waiting for enough players.

i'm happy to help out in any way possible to get this to happen. if a server is needed, i can provide it (i'm hosting the pineapples servers already). i've even considered the possibility of setting it up myself, as i'm a pretty capable programmer. of course nobo i'm sure could do it much more easily with the existing infrastructure, and the altitudeladder website is oh so lovely.

[silent skies]

+1 to this idea

[Kennedy]

As I've said, I think this is a great idea. It'd be awesome if Nobo got involved and we were able to use altitudeladder's stats and all that.

[PACMAN]

+∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞

[classicallad]

well said sir, this could really interject some life into the game.

[Psyko Soldier]

I think this would be a great idea!

[m-pilot]

+ for all pilots

[lxyao]

Even as a TBD player myself, i would be willing to give all the support i could to help a 1dm ladder. I would rather play a 1dm ladder than a TBD pub.

[Net-Tech]

I agree with blarg!
Lets play some ladder!

[Raja]

All the pineapples community agrees with this idea!

[AzzedariuSuiradezza]

Just remember it has to be an EU server. If you disagree, you have to make at least two threads about it and use one of them to ragequit the game.

[Net-Tech]

Originally Posted by AzzedariuSuiradezza

Just remember it has to be an EU server. If you disagree, you have to make at least two threads about it and use one of them to ragequit the game.

Maybe its best to start a US server first, most of the 1dm community is from the US.

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by Net-Tech

Maybe its best to start a US server first, most of the 1dm community is from the US.

ill forgive you this once but please refrain from cussing here

[wolf'j'max]

We can go all on about this, but first we'd need atleast a positive response from one of the ladder coders, so not the admins. Because implementing this won't be the easiest thing ever.

So fingers crossed!

[leggomyeggo]

from a noncoding perspective, the only real problem i can see with this is that the scoreboards are going to be extremely skewed. even now, randas mostly control the top spots in both ladders, think about how it would be with 1dm.

[wolf'j'max]

Originally Posted by leggomyeggo

from a noncoding perspective, the only real problem i can see with this is that the scoreboards are going to be extremely skewed. even now, randas mostly control the top spots in both ladders, think about how it would be with 1dm.

I don't know if you've played in the 1dm tournament, but from the past matches, randas don't necessarily dominate.

[elixirwithani]

Originally Posted by wolf'j'max

I don't know if you've played in the 1dm tournament, but from the past matches, randas don't necessarily dominate.

nah, randas dominate

[leggomyeggo]

Originally Posted by wolf'j'max

I don't know if you've played in the 1dm tournament, but from the past matches, randas don't necessarily dominate.

no, they really do.

[Fartface]

1bd ladder imo

[silent skies]

The trend was that each team of five had a minimum of 3 randas at any given time, usually 4.

Too bad you can't limit a team of 5 to one of each plane.

[Psyko Soldier]

I don't see why that would be a problem to create 1DM Ladder. It's not a 1DM problem, cause like said above, randas also dominate the top in TBD and Ball. This is not a reason not to create 1DM Ladder, this is a reason to nerf randa and balance stuff some more.

Concluding from that, 2 things should happen. Nerf the randa AND create 1DM Ladder.
Staying ontopic: create 1DM Ladder.

[leggomyeggo]

Originally Posted by Psyko Soldier

I don't see why that would be a problem to create 1DM Ladder. It's not a 1DM problem, cause like said above, randas also dominate the top in TBD and Ball. This is not a reason not to create 1DM Ladder, this is a reason to nerf randa and balance stuff some more.

Concluding from that, 2 things should happen. Nerf the randa AND create 1DM Ladder.
Staying ontopic: create 1DM Ladder.

basically what i'm saying is all top 15-20 spots will be randas at least. it would turn into who plays 1v1 trickster/TA the best.

[Psyko Soldier]

1DM is not only about 1vs1. It relies very much on teamwork just like both Ball and TBD. Randa's might be the ones controlling the top charts, but they also do in other game modes, why would this be a problem for 1DM?

[blarg]

Originally Posted by wolf'j'max

We can go all on about this, but first we'd need atleast a positive response from one of the ladder coders, so not the admins. Because implementing this won't be the easiest thing ever.

if they are unwilling to do it, i can set up a separate ladder myself. there is not much work needed to get the basics working, including a simple website with rankings and even some basic stats. however, i would not be interested spending much time on the website beyond the essentials, because i dislike web programming and don't have free time to spend on that anyway. the existing ladder website is really nice and lets you dive way into the stats, so i do hope the ladder coders would be willing to add 1dm themselves.

my 2 cents on the randa debate: yes it's op, and randas definitely dominate pub 1dm games. with organized teams, however, i think there's potential for a more balanced team comp to prevail. pilot did ok in the tourny fielding just one randa. i think it's hard to make a definite judgement though as there just hasn't been much organized 1dm play... hence ladder!

[leggomyeggo]

Originally Posted by Psyko Soldier

1DM is not only about 1vs1. It relies very much on teamwork just like both Ball and TBD. Randa's might be the ones controlling the top charts, but they also do in other game modes, why would this be a problem for 1DM?

because there wouldn't be competition among anyone BUT randas, as i said earlier.

Originally Posted by blarg

if they are unwilling to do it, i can set up a separate ladder myself. there is not much work needed to get the basics working, including a simple website with rankings and even some basic stats. however, i would not be interested spending much time on the website beyond the essentials, because i dislike web programming and don't have free time to spend on that anyway. the existing ladder website is really nice and lets you dive way into the stats, so i do hope the ladder coders would be willing to add 1dm themselves.

my 2 cents on the randa debate: yes it's op, and randas definitely dominate pub 1dm games. with organized teams, however, i think there's potential for a more balanced team comp to prevail. pilot did ok in the tourny fielding just one randa. i think it's hard to make a definite judgement though as there just hasn't been much organized 1dm play... hence ladder!

the potential is so very small.

[Kennedy]

Worth exploring. Altitude could use some new life.

[Net-Tech]

Anyway, idc about randas, the main point is to create 1dm ladder.

[Demuyt]

one month trial period imo

see how it goes

[leggomyeggo]

Originally Posted by Net-Tech

Anyway, idc about randas, the main point is to create 1dm ladder.

you're not understanding a single thing i've said.

[Fartface]

Why does it matter if the competition is only among randas? That's true for tbd too. If non-randas don't want to play then no one would force them to do so. And you don't need to take ratings seriously if you don't want; it would still be fun. Like someone said here earlier, the solution to the problem is nerfing randa (if karlam ever gets to that), not rejecting the idea of 1dm ladder

[lxyao]

Originally Posted by leggomyeggo

you're not understanding a single thing i've said.

Or maybe he doesnt care what youve said.

[leggomyeggo]

Originally Posted by lxyao

Or maybe he doesnt care what youve said.

that's impossible, i'm the center of the universe. everyone cares about what i say.

[Knipchip]

Alti is balanced around TBD. One can conclude randa is pretty unforgiving and broken there. We can't be entirely sure yet whether or not it's OP now. In support of those who feel it is, let's assume it is. If randa is ever going to get nerfed again, TBD and 1dm can't possibly both be completely balanced. Karlam should be biased towards keeping Alti, in other words TBD balanced. Therefore I don't see how 1dm can ever be balanced (or non-broken if you will), since indeed randa owns everything there. When I think of the meta-game of 1dm I don't see anything pretty. This is of course not going to change unless the game gets fundamentally changed and no, this is not at all hard to grasp. TBD is the real thing

Anyway, since most of what is left of the community isn't open to embracing TBD as what it is, unlike pub-like TBD, and people just want to procrastinate, have fun and play casually, sure 1dm ladder is a great idea. After all 1dm is fun in its own right. Don't be shocked to see the entire 1dm community switch to randa though. Maybe randa fights are what this game is meant for...

Originally Posted by Fartface

That's true for tbd too.

That's not true for tbd.

[sunshineduck]

Originally Posted by Knipchip

Alti is balanced around TBD.

but

uh

it isn't

[Fartface]

Originally Posted by Knipchip

That's not true for tbd.

...But it is true for tbd

How on earth could you possibly debate this, evidence please

[lxyao]

Originally Posted by leggomyeggo

that's impossible, i'm the center of the universe. everyone cares about what i say.

Except mechars

[Knipchip]

Originally Posted by Fartface

...But it is true for tbd

How on earth could you possibly debate this, evidence please

I'm not debating it, you are. What you're saying is too linear and unsubtle so there is no need to debate it.

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

but

uh

it isn't

Tell us about alti (development) history then gramps

[leggomyeggo]

i have a feeling this is going to be a good one. grab your popcorn gentlemen!

[soccernamlak]

Originally Posted by Knipchip

I'm not debating it, you are. What you're saying is too linear and unsubtle so there is no need to debate it.

Originally Posted by Knipchip

That's not true for tbd.

What you're saying is too linear and unsubtle so there is no need to debate it.


Also:

Originally Posted by Knipchip

Tell us about alti (development) history then gramps

While some changes have been TBD focused (TA warp decrease with bomb, for example), others are ambiguous, influencing all game modes (Bomb splash radius and self damage on a bomber, for example). To say that Altitude is balanced around TBD is a bit short-sighted. At one point in the past? Absolutely. But to continue balancing a game around a mode that has had its popularity threatened and arguably overtaken by "ball" mode would be foolish. Time moves forward. People's interests change. To continue placating planes for a play mode that isn't top dog anymore is holding onto a relic of the past. Thankfully, most of the updates and balances have not been self-serving to TBD and help all game modes.

I'm not saying that balancing for TBD should be ignored. Rather, as we saw with the previous update where TA warp was only affected in TBD, balancing must be considered for multiple game modes, as the single setup of a plane might have different effectiveness depending on the mode. In short, Altitude must be (and I think is to a great extent) balanced around multiple game modes, not just TBD.

[wolf'j'max]

Can we stay on topic and get the ladder developers to look into making 1dm ladder please?

thank you.