Ban List from APL

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by X_denied

me must get admin so i wont be randomly kicked ^^ :P

oh and deni for the larger part i like you but you are a gigantic suck up.....

[Stormich]

So you're trying to discredit the whole game cause you don't agree with how something is being ran? This isn't an official tourney. From an unbiased perspective I can tell that CCN should be sanctioned, I may or may not agree with the sanctions that followed but trying to kick an admin is like trying to attack a cop in real life. Don't make things personal.

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by Stormich

So you're trying to discredit the whole game cause you don't agree with how something is being ran? This isn't an official tourney. From an unbiased perspective I can tell that CCN should be sanctioned, I may or may not agree with the sanctions that followed but trying to kick an admin is like trying to attack a cop in real life. Don't make things personal.

No no i wasn't referring to CCN's ban read it again

[Stormich]

Ok, so it's about Kuja. He's still an admin, an admins have the last word. If you think this is harsh, Iccup (the largest starcraft ladder) banned an entire city for one guy's infractions.

[classicallad]

i guess your right storm, my opinion counts for nothing as i have no control and yes they could make my alty life a misery if they so wish.

I would like to see more people other than those involved to be admins this would serve the community as a whole better imo.

[bohica]

Originally Posted by Kuja900

This is our house, were allowed to be as arbitrary and unfair to anyone we want to in our house. Why? Because its our house and your guests in our house. You don't disrespect the organizer of the league and expect to play in it. All three admins agree, there is no discussion to be had about this subject.

Respect is a non-negotiable attribute. You can not demand respect from your community if you are unwilling to act respectfully. Adopting the attitude of 'we are allowed to be as unfair to anyone we want' eliminates any and all respect you think might be warranted from your community.

I am saddened by this.

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by bohica

Respect is a non-negotiable attribute. You can not demand respect from your community if you are unwilling to act respectfully. Adopting the attitude of 'we are allowed to be as unfair to anyone we want' eliminates any and all respect you think might be warranted from your community.

I am saddened by this.

This is coming from a fellow American so you understand im not acting on racism, also Bo is one of the kindest, fairest people i met on altitude.

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by tyr

It's now 2am here and I have a headache right now. I know Kuja does too.
I don't think you realize how much we're actually doing.

Yes we're doing mistakes sometimes, yes we may be harsh sometimes.
You have to understand it's not easy sometimes.
Maimer almost stopped doing anything at the end of summer league because there is so much work to do. I certainly can't blame him, and he was alone.
If you think you can do better than us, I certainly wouldn't mind some help.

Concerning the servers ...
If you have 2/3 stable servers, up 24/7, with ping <200 for (almost) everyone on the planet, updatable anytime we need, we certainly are interested.
Until then, please respect tec27's work. He's already more than kind to give us those two servers for free, and people still complain.

Our complaints are not anything to do with tec, we are greatful for the use of his servers, our complaints are about who they are overseen by.

[GGQ]

Originally Posted by bohica

Respect is a non-negotiable attribute. You can not demand respect from your community if you are unwilling to act respectfully. Adopting the attitude of 'we are allowed to be as unfair to anyone we want' eliminates any and all respect you think might be warranted from your community.

I am saddened by this.

I don't like the way Kuja worded that either, but I think people are reacting too strongly. He's not saying 'We're gonna do whatever the hell we want and you all have to bend over and take it because we're admins! Hahaha!" What he's trying to say is more like "We're the admins, and we're putting a lot of work into this volunteer-run tournament for the good of the entire community. We're trying to make it work as well as possible for as many people as possible, and if a decision is made or an event occurs that you have a problem with, that's unfortunate but at the end of the day it's our tournament that we're doing all the work to support, so to keep it running smoothly our word will be law and you'll have to accept that."

This isn't a perfect world and no admins are perfect, but ours are quite reasonable so if you don't be an ass, you shouldn't have a problem.

As for needing to 'earn respect', I would hope that undertaking to run a tournament at the cost of your own time for the benefit of the community would count for something.

Also Kuja is a small furry homosexual.

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by Kuja900

At this point it doesn't matter you just stir up to much **** for my liking and give us admins a headache.

To quote Bill Hicks (comedian), give them 24 channels of american gladiators.

The point Bill was getting to was at how his government was run i.e. by fascist dictators.

[tyr]

Oh so you're shocked that admins have the right to kick/ban you if they feel you're doing something wrong.
Yeah so we should let everyone do what they want, right ?
That's basically what you say bohica.

Have any of us ever been disrespectful to anyone who didn't deserve it ?
I personally stayed logged-in almost non-stop from 18h to 2h in the morning to admin the games yesterday and I don't remember being disrespectful to anyone. Your post feels like we didn't show any sign of respect ever to anyone.
You know this isn't the case.

[classicallad]

On a positive note can i tell you where it went wrong for me.....

I would have liked to have some positive encouragement from the more senior people when starting KLF. It's not a case of me being over-sensitive or anything like that, IF i had been a senior member at the time i would have spread words of encouragement even offered some training or 1v1's e.t.c to build my team. Instead i faced a battle right from the start even from Maimer who joined in (BTW maimer IMO is a sound admin i like him).

As a result of this i felt disjointed from the community from day 1 pretty much, if it had not been from making good friends (not just KLF members) i would have walked away from the game there and then.

My suggestion to my seniors is let's treat each others like brothers and sisters...family

I myself have a love affair with alty and would drop to my knees and offer my services to Lam or Karl <3 who have done a great job BTW.

Peace and Love

classic

[wolf'j'max]

My last post in this thread: i think CCNs behaviour wasn't good to evil but evils wasn't either. At this time we mean that the decisions in the servers made by admins aren't always good. But after GGQs post i accepted it. You are running this so make your word law. I'll accept this because i like the league, not because i'm an easy going boy who listnens to everything. I hope more people will do this and i also hope this threads gets closed so evil can make a new one or everyone just stops the discussions to have fun in altitude.

Soooww g'night or rock'roll party on mm'kay?

Wolf

[bohica]

My post was in responce to Kuja's declaration of respect. In my opinion, in order to gain respect you must, in turn, give respect. Kuja's definition does not imply respect, it implies fear. Fear that is present within the undertones in the posts regarding this topic. Certain posts across the forums imply fear of retaliation for voicing an opinion or disagreement. The posts may or may not be trolls as only the author knows their true intentions. Yet the posts are present.

I fully empethize with the heroic task undertaken with providing us the APL, for which I am grateful. My post was an effort to voice my sadness concerning Kuja's post, not an attempt to proliferate the notion that everyone here is full of disrespect.

I will step away from the soapbox now.

[GGQ]

I would have liked to have some positive encouragement from the more senior people when starting KLF. It's not a case of me being over-sensitive or anything like that, IF i had been a senior member at the time i would have spread words of encouragement even offered some training or 1v1's e.t.c to build my team. Instead i faced a battle right from the start even from Maimer who joined in (BTW maimer IMO is a sound admin i like him).

That was an unfortunate side-effect of the clan situation at the time. Shortly before KLF started, there were a series of 'clans' whose names I don't even remember. Each one started up and a day later had twenty or thirty members. The next day the leader of the clan would join a different clan, or a new clan would start and steal all those members, or it would just turn out that half the players had been in another clan to begin with. Each clan disintegrated days after starting. People were getting very cynical about new clans and there was no reason to expect KLF would be different, so we entertained ourselves making jokes about how many hours it would last.

I'm sorry for any discouragement you received, and honestly I'm impressed with anyone who can create a functional clan and hold it together. I would be very disappointed if KLF suffered permanent damage from this event. Good luck.

[Kuja900]

Listen I dedicated around 9 hours of my time sunday to this tournament from playing in it, to moderating it, to tallying the results of it, to dealing with individual complaints/requests in it, to even making the schedule for next week. I did the best damn job I could then I come to these forums and see someone calling me a nazi. I had a throbbing headache at the time I said that and I was in no mood to word anything nicely and admit my wording was a bit too blunt. GGQ's interpretation of what I said is accurate. We arent going to ban you for talking **** to an admin, we dont care and we know its all in good fun. You can call any one of us admins a raging whore and there would be no repercussion. But disrespecting an admins authority is whats going to get you a kick/ban, especially when that admin is trying to clear out a game to get a match started. I could care less if you respect me personally, im doing this out of my love for the game.

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by Kuja900

Listen I dedicated around 9 hours of my time sunday to this tournament from playing in it, to moderating it, to tallying the results of it, to dealing with individual complaints/requests in it, to even making the schedule for next week. I did the best damn job I could then I come to these forums and see someone calling me a nazi. I had a throbbing headache at the time I said that and I was in no mood to word anything nicely and admit my wording was a bit too blunt. GGQ's interpretation of what I said is accurate. We arent going to ban you for talking **** to an admin, we dont care and we know its all in good fun. You can call any one of us admins a raging whore and there would be no repercussion. But disrespecting an admins authority is whats going to get you a kick/ban, especially when that admin is trying to clear out a game to get a match started. I could care less if you respect me personally, im doing this out of my love for the game.

This is not the first time you personally have flounced your admin powers around Kuja, you said exactly the same thing to me 3 weeks prior
(This is our house, we will act how we choose in our house) listen to yourself seriously, my advice if you want less headaches be more selective with your responses or soon enough there will be more like CCN willing to put themselves out on a limb to make a point.

To wrap this up, dont gloss over things saying its said for fun you seem to have a habit of doing that when there are real issues to deal with... when monxy calls fLb bad THAT is for fun. Funny thing is deep down both of us want the same thing (for a smooth running fun experience for all) but unfortunately many have concerns over the way in which things are done, im only referring to PL issues here,

Alex

[classicallad]

Originally Posted by GGQ

That was an unfortunate side-effect of the clan situation at the time. Shortly before KLF started, there were a series of 'clans' whose names I don't even remember. Each one started up and a day later had twenty or thirty members. The next day the leader of the clan would join a different clan, or a new clan would start and steal all those members, or it would just turn out that half the players had been in another clan to begin with. Each clan disintegrated days after starting. People were getting very cynical about new clans and there was no reason to expect KLF would be different, so we entertained ourselves making jokes about how many hours it would last.

I'm sorry for any discouragement you received, and honestly I'm impressed with anyone who can create a functional clan and hold it together. I would be very disappointed if KLF suffered permanent damage from this event. Good luck.

Thanks man BTW JK bases his game on you...you have helped us already inadvertently lol. good luck to ACE.

[Pieface]

I am not going to take sides here, as I do not know all the facts. All I know is that continuing to argue about the matter is not going to help anyone. If you have problems with particular things said here, feel free to voice your concerns via PM.

This topic has degenerated into useless flaming, thread closed.