Introducing: Official Ladder Administration Thread

[classicallad]

These matters have been dealt with via PM, end of drama.

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by Evan20000

It doesn't matter if he is marrying Kuja or wants his head on a pike, random kicks are bannable.

Just as a heads up - random kicks are bannable. However, as I've since been informed - the kicks were hardly random. The admins are discussing how this situation should be further handled and what (if any) other action should be taken. Until then lets please drop the subject

[Evan20000]

Fair enough.

[Kuja900]

Originally Posted by mikesol

Just as a heads up - random kicks are bannable. However, as I've since been informed - the kicks were hardly random. The admins are discussing how this situation should be further handled and what (if any) other action should be taken. Until then lets please drop the subject

Am I missing something? I have chat logs if requested.

[wolf'j'max]

requesting a ban on: |Shift|B0Tank
he joined after the vote completed but didnt break it, whilst people told him he broke it he left the game even before people spawned so we stopped the game.

screenshots:

[Pieface]

The issue's been addressed, thanks for the report.

[Cloud]

so pie raged and banned me for playing full random, imo that should not be ban cos i played it alot and it represent my rank anyways,
discuss
edit: ok its gone now

[mikesol]

Ya we need to set a solid rule for full random or not. Half of the mods haven't been banning for it and half are. It's silly that we are so split on that. Noboooo we need youuu.

[MajorPayne257]

So custom random is 100% allowed then? Only full random is in question?

[Evan20000]

If one gets hit, the other will likely follow.

[shrode]

how is there a question on full random? I understand custom being almost close to being debatable but there is no value in going full random whatsoever by any stretch of any sane imagination

[elxir]

Originally Posted by shrode

how is there a question on full random? I understand custom being debatable but there is no value in going full random whatsoever by any stretch of any sane imagination

thiiiis

at least custom random assumes u are good at the planes u intentionally set up

[Cloud]

well i can setup crazy setups which are fun to play and go custom random, and that will be allowed?? either allowe all randoms or ban all of them

[Kuja900]

To ban random you need to impose actual perk restrictions which is new ground for the admins. Please ban rev.

[elxir]

Originally Posted by Cloud

well i can setup crazy setups which are fun to play and go custom random, and that will be allowed?? either allowe all randoms or ban all of them

or you could just help the team and have setups that are conducive to victory

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by Kuja900

To ban random you need to impose actual perk restrictions which is new ground for the admins. Please ban rev.

why? lemon 10chars.

[shrode]

It's simple. Ban both randoms. There is no justifiable reason to use either random in a ladder setting.

To people saying "oh i just want to change it up all the time so the enemy doesn't know what is coming"- PICK DIFFERENT PLANES BY YOURSELF. It's not that ****ing hard to hit E and click on a new damn plane if you really want to 'keep the other team guessing' (which in and of itself is a horrible strategy anyway).

For everything besides random, if people are using stupid ****, tell them to switch and if they don't cooperate or give good reasons to not cooperate then deal with that with a ban

[CCN]

qn, if an admin leaved mid game or launches a vote kick result =?

[nobodyhome]

Originally Posted by CCN

qn, if an admin leaved mid game or launches a vote kick result =?

Screenshot -> post or PM me or ryebone. If the admin happens to be me, then well... you can post =x.

[Wok3N^]

The problem with banning rev is that there are people who actually use it well. I might not agree with it but players like Nathor, Beagle, Silent Skies, and such can use rev to their advantage. I think custom random or full random should be banned however because it truly takes away any solid plane composition.

[Kuja900]

Originally Posted by Wok3N^

The problem with banning rev is that there are people who actually use it well. I might not agree with it but players like Nathor, Beagle, Silent Skies, and such can use rev to their advantage. I think custom random or full random should be banned however because it truly takes away any solid plane composition.

There is no example of a player performing better then they would without it.

[Wok3N^]

Well we don't know that because they only play rev. I don't agree with the rev and I feel they would do better without it but who knows imo.

[ryebone]

Originally Posted by nobodyhome

Screenshot -> post or PM me or ryebone. If the admin happens to be me, then well... you can post =x.

Preferably pm nobo. I'm lazy.

[cannibalsock]

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

Requesting a Ban on cannibalsock
---------- For Attempting to Kick me while I was in Ladder -----------
9 - 14 - 2010

Rule Broken: 6) Initiating a votekick on a player for any reason other than something that is a bannable offense on this list.

I was playing under the name Matt Dillon, and this is why he tried to kick me:




So basically hobby asked me to let him bomb run and I said "mmk hobby" and no sooner had I said that, cannibalsock says "just let balln run" and I responded "stfu" because I already said I was gonna let him! He then calls a vote to kick me. Now I know your not supposed to leave midgame, but if someone vote kicked for you to leave, wouldn't that be the same thing?
I know the vote didn't pass, but the fact he called a vote, I think matters.

ajuk told me to stfu, i voted to kick.

i'm sorry if you are.

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by cannibalsock

ajuk told me to stfu, i voted to kick.

i'm sorry if you are.

Whether or not someone says something like that does not allow you to kick someone. Unless they are clearly breaking the rules and you've asked them to stop and they haven't - vote kicks should not take place. Thanks

[Kuja900]

Originally Posted by mikesol

Whether or not someone says something like that does not allow you to kick someone. Unless they are clearly breaking the rules and you've asked them to stop and they haven't - vote kicks should not take place. Thanks

Did he get a temp ban or just receive a warning?

[York]

he vote kicked me for sitting on his name, ban hammer

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by Kuja900

Did he get a temp ban or just receive a warning?

Bans or warnings are not the concern of the general public. If you look back to when that was posted (a week ago) you'll see that I posted that the issue was addressed.

Originally Posted by York

he vote kicked me for sitting on his name, ban hammer

Screenshots? Forms of proof?

[Wok3N^]

I got the screenies for the canni incident.



As you can see, york was in game due to the color of his chat.

Also canni was not spec chatting and such. I will send a PM of that screen shot cause it has profanities :O :O

[ryebone]

UPDATE: A new rule 12 has been established for ladder.


12) Playing full random. Custom random is bannable if "ridiculous" setups are used, to be determined on a case-by-case basis.


The primary reason is given here. The OP has been updated to include this rule.

[Kuja900]

Can "ridiculous setups" pleased be defined? Is rev thrust bip in the realm of ridiculous?

[Void]

Originally Posted by Kuja900

Can "ridiculous setups" pleased be defined? Is rev thrust bip in the realm of ridiculous?

It should be, i consider a rev thrust bip being as useless as a full random plane in ladder.

[nobodyhome]

Originally Posted by Void

It should be, i consider a rev thrust bip being as useless as a full random plane in ladder.

if you had read the link in ryebone's post you would see why we don't ban specific setups but ban random. namely, we will never ban bad play because that just makes you bad, but playing random doesn't just make you bad, it makes your team bad.

[Sunaku]

Originally Posted by nobodyhome

playing random doesn't just make you bad, it makes your team bad.

Which is why I think custom random should receive the same banning end of the stick.

Reading Ryebone's explanation post, we come to the same conclusions about random undermining a team. What I don't understand is why applying a ban only to full random, while you can clearly see that even custom random is stupid and always hurts a team. In every case, a custom random will throw his team's game because people will have to babysit him and his perks to define a somewhat decent plane composition.

There is no need to review case-by-case the randoms, because in a nutshell, random in a competitive environment is an aberration, every single time.
So kudos for finally taking a stand on this, but please go all the way for consistency.

[sunshineduck]

yeah I really see no need to play "just the tip" with this one noobo

I mean I am aware that you are all tip and no shaft but in this particular situation you should probably just ban all forms of random completely

[[Y]]

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

yeah I really see no need to play "just the tip" with this one noobo

I mean I am aware that you are all tip and no shaft but in this particular situation you should probably just ban all forms of random completely

Insulting people with power probably isn't the best way to get what you want.

Remember the PM to Vi that you shared on mumble? xD

[cannibalsock]

Originally Posted by York

he vote kicked me for sitting on his name, ban hammer

i did that.

in all fairness, york had been sitting on my name for a few weeks and i needed to get his attention. apparently it worked.

ban if you must.

i can see how calling a bunch of votes could be distracting, etc. but that's simply not what happened. no one crashed, no one dorped anything, no one scored. i'm not in the habit of interrupting or ruining games.

i'm not a smurf, or a spammer. i've been playing this game for a while, i may have an 'attitude' but i respect the game. i hope i'm believed when i say that i have no interest in undermining any of the projects that i and my personal friends have spent many hours creating and administrating. my actions are not malicious, simply mischevous (and perhaps misguided).
my 2 cents: /vote kick is a vote. no one's going to get kicked from a serious game unless the majority of the players think they should. obviously i don't actually expect, or want, to kick anyone who's legitimately playing in a ladder game. it's the internet, it's a joke, don't be so serious.


and woken, please, for the love of god, find something better to do with your time so i don't have to sit here at 8 in the morning typing out why i voted to kick someone
inb4 "dont vote kick and you wont have to type"

[Kuja900]

If you change your name its not yours anymore

[Wok3N^]

Originally Posted by cannibalsock

i did that.

in all fairness, york had been sitting on my name for a few weeks and i needed to get his attention. apparently it worked.

ban if you must.

i can see how calling a bunch of votes could be distracting, etc. but that's simply not what happened. no one crashed, no one dorped anything, no one scored. i'm not in the habit of interrupting or ruining games.

i'm not a smurf, or a spammer. i've been playing this game for a while, i may have an 'attitude' but i respect the game. i hope i'm believed when i say that i have no interest in undermining any of the projects that i and my personal friends have spent many hours creating and administrating. my actions are not malicious, simply mischevous (and perhaps misguided).
my 2 cents: /vote kick is a vote. no one's going to get kicked from a serious game unless the majority of the players think they should. obviously i don't actually expect, or want, to kick anyone who's legitimately playing in a ladder game. it's the internet, it's a joke, don't be so serious.


and woken, please, for the love of god, find something better to do with your time so i don't have to sit here at 8 in the morning typing out why i voted to kick someone
inb4 "dont vote kick and you wont have to type"

IMO read the ladder rules.

[Pieface]

Vote-kicking is strictly prohibited unless the player you're trying to kick is committing a bannable offense himself. The matter has been addressed - PM me if you have any questions.