GO Green

[Ajuk999]

The Best why to solve something is to look at it like this.

The Problem.
The Effects.
The Solution.
Will the solution erase the effects?
Proof that it will work.
Is it the best way to fix it?

Provide that.

And one more thing, here is a correct chart depicting the top World Cities by Population. Notice they are all cosmopolitan and metropolitan areas.

[[Y]]

Originally Posted by mikesol

Global warming exists

lol.

I wonder how many billions of dollars Al Gore is making right now off of his multi-million dollar investment, but I really don't want to enter a global warming- real or not debate right now.

I'll let you guys just get back to your population debate nao.

[ZidaneTribal]

drugs r bad mkay

[Evan20000]

Originally Posted by hurripilot

Yay intarwebs politics!

Want some pizza?

Being completely serious for a second, I think that Global Warming does exist, but has been dramatized. While I don't think many people know for a fact just how strong or weak it's effects are, I took the time to set up a recycling bin next to my trash can. Simple things like this take no effort and have no drawback, so I don't see why not. However, limiting myself by not flying/buying a new car/etc... is something I won't do.

[Ajuk999]

Originally Posted by drunkguava

edit:
one more thing, pie. correlation does not imply causation. though our carbon dioxide emissions are huge now compared to 1000 years ago, obviously we had the industrial revolution etc etc that contributed to this. Right now, the richest 7% of the world is responsible for 50% of carbon emissions every year. The poorest 50% (where most of the pop. growth is happening) is responsible for just 7% of emissions.
In my opinion, pop growth is not to blame for any of our environmental problems. The problems are created by the rich countries, like the US, China, and a lot of Europe, where pop. growth is really not that much. These countrys' carbon footprints and misuse of natural resources is causing global warming.

(one thing to be wary of, however, is that once these poor nations industrialize, their emission output will explode just like ours did in the 20th c. :-\ --> India is an example)

Your suggesting then that we revert back to ancient times?
A rich nation like America, that is always helping other countries, inventing new things, it is rich, it is giving off a lot of carbon emissions, so what do we do? I guess we keep spending money until were broke and poor, that way we will only give off a little bit of emissions. And we'll ride donkeys and horses, and we'll stop using planes, and I can even say our National Defense will go down, because we will use wagons and horses as tanks or something.

The solution would not be to destroy the technology that uses Coal and the like, but the solution should be aimed at improving, not getting rid of.

Problem:
To Much People

Solution:
Abortion, Murders, Killings, More Adolf Hitlers, Saddam Hussein, etc
(we get rid of more people this way=less population)

One more thing, you can't control the way people live, so stop it. If they wan't to be un-responsible, then so be it, quit restricting everyones freedoms.

To quote the Declaration of Independence,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."'


Besides, the more people live un-responsible, and the more they eat unhealthy, the more they breath gasoline, the more destruction to their body's, hence people's un-responsible - ness will destroy itself. No need to interfere with mankind.

If you wanna chew on grass to save the earth, so be it. If someone else want's to eat McDonalds every day, then so be it also.

A toyota Pruis, when in an accident, spews out more pollution than a regular ol' car accident. (It's those stupid battery's)

And I completely agree with Evan.

I Quit.

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by Evan20000

Want some pizza?

Being completely serious for a second, I think that Global Warming does exist, but has been dramatized. While I don't think many people know for a fact just how strong or weak it's effects are, I took the time to set up a recycling bin next to my trash can. Simple things like this take no effort and have no drawback, so I don't see why not. However, limiting myself by not flying/buying a new car/etc... is something I won't do.

Good for you ! On a side note - I don't think anyone is suggesting not to fly or buy a new car. A lot of people are hoping to improve airplanes and cars so that you can still drive around without destroying the environment. Our society needs to look into fixing minor things, too.

Side fact: A dog is almost as bad as an SUV in terms of pollution to the environment because of the horrible process of making dog food. Does that mean we should not have dogs? No. It just means they need to stop being r-tards when making dog food.

[Pieface]

I should probably clarify what I was trying to say:

• Population growth does not directly cause global warming.
• Population growth is however a major factor when considering other world problems, such as poverty, food scarcity, etc.
• As Maimer said, it's not about how much land we have. Our population could multiply in size thousands of times before we'd have to worry about running out of room. But what percentage of the land available to us contains the resources needed to sustain an entire civilization? 2%?
• Illegal immigration killed the dodos.

That is all.

[drunkguava]

Originally Posted by mikesol

Good for you ! On a side note - I don't think anyone is suggesting not to fly or buy a new car. A lot of people are hoping to improve airplanes and cars so that you can still drive around without destroying the environment. Our society needs to look into fixing minor things, too.

Side fact: A dog is almost as bad as an SUV in terms of pollution to the environment because of the horrible process of making dog food. Does that mean we should not have dogs? No. It just means they need to stop being r-tards when making dog food.

Originally Posted by Pieface

I should probably clarify what I was trying to say:

• Population growth does not directly cause global warming.
• Population growth is however a major factor when considering other world problems, such as poverty, food scarcity, etc.
• As Maimer said, it's not about how much land we have. Our population could multiply in size thousands of times before we'd have to worry about running out of room. But what percentage of the land available to us contains the resources needed to sustain an entire civilization? 2%?
• Illegal immigration killed the dodos.

That is all.

yes and yes .

oh i also like your idea of using abortion to limit population size, ajuk. excellent.

[Ajuk999]

Pieface,

The reason we have poverty (for the most part) is because those nations are controlled by dictators. And on the other hand, people don't care about fixing their nation's problems. They are just always asking for handouts, like Haiti, the United States gave them an estimate 115 million dollars, it hasn't helped a lot, they wan't more, it just doesn't end.

And yes we need more food resources, that's true.

The last bullet though, hmmmm.

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

Your suggesting then that we revert back to ancient times?
A rich nation like America, that is always helping other countries, inventing new things, it is rich, it is giving off a lot of carbon emissions, so what do we do? I guess we keep spending money until were broke and poor, that way we will only give off a little bit of emissions. And we'll ride donkeys and horses, and we'll stop using planes, and I can even say our National Defense will go down, because we will use wagons and horses as tanks or something.

The solution would not be to destroy the technology that uses Coal and the like, but the solution should be aimed at improving, not getting rid of.

Problem:
To Much People

Solution:
Abortion, Murders, Killings, More Adolf Hitlers, Saddam Hussein, etc
(we get rid of more people this way=less population)

One more thing, you can't control the way people live, so stop it. If they wan't to be un-responsible, then so be it, quit restricting everyones freedoms.

To quote the Declaration of Independence,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."'


Besides, the more people live un-responsible, and the more they eat unhealthy, the more they breath gasoline, the more destruction to their body's, hence people's un-responsible - ness will destroy itself. No need to interfere with mankind.

If you wanna chew on grass to save the earth, so be it. If someone else want's to eat McDonalds every day, then so be it also.

A toyota Pruis, when in an accident, spews out more pollution than a regular ol' car accident. (It's those stupid battery's)

And I completely agree with Evan.

I Quit.

Nobody should resort back to the "old times." It's unnecessary. We should be trying to progress to the future by figuring out ways in which we don't have to rely on fossil fuels or other such harmful things.

Also, your line about America being a rich nation makes absolutely no sense. America is rich. America will invent new things. America does give off a lot of carbon emission. However, spending money until we're broke or poor WILL NOT reduce our carbon emissions. What will reduce is it to spent our money on research on how to fix it. We'll propose limits for carbon emission on companies so that they are responsible for progressing. Stop arguing with a slippery slope fallacy. It's horrifically ignorant.

Furthermore, there are other ways of reducing the too many people problem. Take a look at china that limits the number of births per family.

Next point - the government CAN control the way people live. If you are a murderer - we say no you can't. If you are a rapist - we say no you can't. If you are destroying the environment - we say no you can't. Don't be so ignorant to assume that the Declaration of Independence implies that the government can't control certain things.

Continuing, the problem will not destroy itself. Take a look at social security or all the other problems we have. Every generation is just like "oh lets ignore it and let our next generation handle it." That's just stupid. Step up to the plate and do something rather than passing it off like a lazy bum.

Incidentally, where does your Prius fact come from? I just did some research and found other evidence.

PS Ajuk: By making laws against abortion you are killing more people. Statistical studies have shown that women will get abortions whether or not they are legal. The only thing is - if they are illegal then the procedures aren't regulated and many women die or suffer severely for trying to get one.

[Ajuk999]

Mike,

I was being sarcastic in saying "spending money to reduce carbon emissions" I was mocking the fact that someone said poor nations carbon emissions are only "7%" and rich nations a lot more. LoL.

And I agree with all that you said.

Note: The Pruis fact was my rage at the computer.

PS Mike: I said nothing about making laws against abortion.

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

Mike,

I was being sarcastic in saying "spending money to reduce carbon emissions" I was mocking the fact that someone said poor nations carbon emissions are only "7%" and rich nations a lot more. LoL.

And I agree with all that you said.

Note: The Pruis fact was my rage at the computer.

God dang internet not showing sarcasm. We need a [sarcasm] blah [/sarcasm] tag.

[Ajuk999]

My Bad, I will note my sarcasm next time Mike.

[Evan20000]

Italics usually notes sarcasm pretty well. Just saying...

[Ajuk999]

I'd rather argue about signs of sarcasm then . . .

LoL it's funny were this thread started and were it went

I'd rather think of something relaxing like "We Are the World"

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by Evan20000

Italics usually notes sarcasm pretty well. Just saying...

The only thing he had in italics was the declaration of independence... I don't think that's sarcastic

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Originally Posted by Ajuk999

A rich nation like America

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

Problem:
To Much People

Solution:
More Adolf Hitlers, Saddam Hussein
(we get rid of more people this way=less population)

lol at the first one and lol at the second one

Continuing this idea, I think we should have an arbitrary nuclear war with some other country and there would be a mandatory draft and everything. That'd solve the population crisis, wouldn't it, Ajuk?

[Evan20000]

Originally Posted by mikesol

The only thing he had in italics was the declaration of independence... I don't think that's sarcastic

Hahah, true. I just meant in the future.

[Ajuk999]

Originally Posted by [Y]

lol at the first one and lol at the second one

Continuing this idea, I think we should have an arbitrary nuclear war with some other country and there would be a mandatory draft and everything. That'd solve the population crisis, wouldn't it, Ajuk?

LoL, yes. I meant America was "rich" in the sense of Imperialism. And no matter the debt, we still have a lot of wealth. We pay people to make stuff for us. :P

Elementary my dear watson, it would be splendid for us to launch ourselves in to war with Iran.

Oops, they launched a rocket at us.

[nesnl]

The funny thing about global warming is that even if all humans stopped all carbon emmisions today the earth would still continue to heat up for another 50 years or so. This is because carbon sticks around in the atmosphere for so long. So all of these people who say "oh buy an electric car" (which doesn't do much anyway) or "recycle more" really doesn't address the issue. We either need to eliminate the carbon or figure out a way to offset it. The problem is that most environmentally oriented people don't understand the problem, they think that by limiting carbon emmisions will fix the problem, but it won't.

One interesting solution was to put sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere (about 2 garden hoses worth of this stuff constantly going into the atmosphere constantly would do the trick) This would actually cause the earth's temp to go down a couple of degrees. The problem is that environmentalist say we are fixing polution with more polution. This sulfur dioxide used to be given off as an exhaust from ocean freights liners, but a new law makes it so that it can't be in the emmisions. So the law, which was designed to make less polution, actually makes it so that there is more global warming in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Ajuk999

LoL, yes. I meant America was "rich" in the sense of Imperialism. And no matter the debt, we still have a lot of wealth. We pay people to make stuff for us. :P

Elementary my dear watson, it would be splendid for us to launch ourselves in to war with Iran.

Oops, they launched a rocket at us.

You mean capitalism? Because I don't think the US practices imperialism.

And I'd love to see where this rocket hit in the US. I hope it was captured and is now in good hands, because it would just be pure chaos if the rat, turtle, worms, telemetric data, and flight and environmental analysis data were to end up in the wrong hands.

[Ajuk999]

Good Point Nesnl.

And FU, I did mean capitalistic.

[Kuja900]

Originally Posted by Pieface

On the somewhat related note of population growth: if we were to discover another planet the size of the Earth today and continue with the same exponential rate of growth we have now, within 100 years we would surpass the carrying capacity of the new planet's resources.

Kind of blows your mind, doesn't it. IMHO the first step to solving problems such as global warming and world poverty is to slow or even reverse the disastrous rate of growth we are experiencing right now.

You need to remember that as resources become scarcer the growth rate will decline, not to mention the potential in scientific break throughs. Also with a capitalist system resources will be consumed less frequently as the price of them increases.

Oh btw man made global warming is bull**** and is an excuse for people to make money whoring out dumb **** like electric cars imo.

edit: electric cars are actually useful for helping with the oil dependency issue but thats a separate matter.

[Mt.Vesuvius]

Originally Posted by ZidaneTribal

drugs r bad mkay

lol

WTF?!

Why cant i use the color white?!

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Originally Posted by Kuja900

Oh btw man made global warming is bull**** and is an excuse for people to make money whoring out dumb **** like electric cars imo.

Huh, looks like I'm not the only one here.




I'll let sins or stack or beagle post the NSFW one about the beer getting hot but no one caring.

[Ajuk999]

That's nasty FU. The Link to be exact.

[Kuja900]

Originally Posted by [Y]

Huh, looks like I'm not the only one here.




I'll let sins or stack or beagle post the NSFW one about the beer getting hot but no one caring.

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

That's nasty FU. The Link to be exact.

What was your sexual orientation again?

[[Y]]

Originally Posted by Kuja900

What was your sexual orientation again?

Heh, his mind probably just couldn't handle the sheer amount of cooties being transferred.

[Ajuk999]

I am straight.

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Not Crooked.

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[Demuyt]

I say:
no shower = saved water

[Evan20000]

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

I am straight.

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Not Crooked.

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Posts like this are the reason I wish this forum had sigs. This is just priceless. XD

[Pieface]

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

The reason we have poverty (for the most part) is because those nations are controlled by dictators.

... so Congo has a dictator? Burundi? Liberia, Sierra Leone, Madagascar, Afghanistan, Nepal, Haiti, and all the other poorest countries in the world are led by dictators?

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

They are just always asking for handouts, like Haiti, the United States gave them an estimate 115 million dollars, it hasn't helped a lot, they wan't more, it just doesn't end.

The Haitians were hit by one of the worst earthquakes in human history, leaving over 200,000 people dead. Blaming world poverty on the misfortune of others is just plain ignorant.

I don't want to get this whole thing started again, it's just that I find it hard to sit here and listen to others say things so ridiculous.

Edit: With that said, blaming the extinction of the dodos on illegal immigration makes complete sense.

[Kuja900]

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

Pieface,

The reason we have poverty (for the most part) is because those nations are controlled by dictators. And on the other hand, people don't care about fixing their nation's problems. They are just always asking for handouts, like Haiti, the United States gave them an estimate 115 million dollars, it hasn't helped a lot, they wan't more, it just doesn't end.

And yes we need more food resources, that's true.

The last bullet though, hmmmm.

Your ignorance is ****ing disgusting.

[Kuja900]

He deleted his post but from memory:

"Kuja its a matter of opinion, not intelligence. Im through with this argument."- Ajuk999

[Pieface]

If I had a dollar for every post Ajuk's deleted here I'd have enough money to personally end world poverty :P

[Ajuk999]

FU has rubbed off on me.



Edit: I am trying to control myself guys.


Trolling, I didn't realize makes people so mad. Lol "neocon" lol lol.

[Kuja900]

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

FU has rubbed off on me.




Trolling, I didn't realize makes people so mad. Lol "neocon" lol lol.

Your not trolling I've known you long enough to know that you were genuine.

[Kuja900]

Environmentalists are literally hitler btw

[Ajuk999]

*Sigh* *Huff, Huff* *Puff* *Smoke* *Steam* *Fire* *Yells* *Screams*

Why do I involve myself in threads like this.

[[Y]]

Originally Posted by Ajuk999

FU has rubbed off on me.

lol.

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