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Old 08-02-2011, 03:38 AM
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Is it really that flawed?? Am i really really stupid lol?
Just think class, let's assume KLF beats all 7 other clans even including fLb and qq. Possible but difficult.

Now let's assume Ai beats orion, akk, and 51. Quite possible imo.

Suddenly Klf's eliminated from the tourney despite all of their hard work and victory. d:

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate greatly everything you do here, I don't think you're stupid and I like the way you're changing this up but I think there's a much better way of doing it

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Old 08-02-2011, 03:57 AM
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Ok cool, i understand what your saying and thanks for being constructive

On a personal note, klf are in it for the practice, i would rather a sucessful tourney than a guarantee'd KLF win tbh.

AI V Akk is a tough match to call, if anything i hope fLb play week 2 because i can tell you we are pumped for that!

I know the system as it stands alone is flawed, it would work if a season had been played already and were seeded from that, but looking at this particular set of results i aimed to create the most competitive pwned! event yet, and this can work in this situation, im sure of it.

However ive kinda said all i can say so i want to hear from the other captains / tourney players before anything else, hope thats ok?
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:00 AM
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It's already been said, but you have to either decide to consider this week as a separate tourney or take both weeks as a whole. If you mix and match there's the possibility that a team will never lose a game in both weeks of play, yet still not make it to the finals. You say the top teams need to work hard to maintain their places but really in this system that's not true - no matter how hard you work or how well you do, there's always the chance that you'll be pushed aside by a team that gained the upper hand in point distribution just because they forgot to show the previous week. You say this will make it more competitive but really it makes the lower-ranked teams from week one have to play even less competitively to come out on top in the tourney. This should not be the case.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:04 AM
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How about if we disregard week 1's bracket and run with the seed system and round robin format with qq gaining + 12 points for winning week 1 and klf gaining 5.

That way if qq win 7 games they end up with 19 pts, klf - 19, fLb - 21, and so on....

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Old 08-02-2011, 04:28 AM
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How about if we disregard week 1's bracket and run with the seed system and round robin format with qq gaining + 12 points for winning week 1 and klf gaining 5.

That way if qq win 7 games they end up with 19 pts, klf - 19, fLb - 21, and so on....
Idk where this came from but IMO we just award each team 1 point per win and completely disregard last week's bracket. This is the only way I can see doing a fair round robin, cuz I'm not sure how you would go about seeding one.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:33 AM
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why don't you just do exactly what you did last week, but with last week's results determining seeds. I have no idea why points are being used instead of good old wins and losses.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:48 AM
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You guys are right, i was trying to do something clever that turned out to be horrible lol, ok do we still wanna round robino or a bracket again or something else?! Let me know
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:10 AM
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ill just make a new bracket with seeds according to this tournament
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:14 AM
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silly brit, the last time something clever happened and you were involved was Washington's Christmas raid on the Hessians, and we all know how that turned out
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:17 AM
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THIS is how it should look like, i didn't count forfeits as wins or losses, otherwise they'd rank teams wrong
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:41 AM
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How is Fro higher seeded than Akk ? Akk won 3 ( maps ) games , and FRO won only 2
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:52 AM
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How is Fro higher seeded than Akk ? Akk won 3 ( maps ) games , and FRO won only 2
i think only victories counts, cus [51] also won 3 maps without counting Ai forefeit.
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:54 AM
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i think only victories counts, cus [51] also won 3 maps without counting Ai forefeit.
Yes you did won 3 and that is why it you are 4th seeded.
If Fro lost 2-0 to 51 , and akk almost won 51 with 2-1 then Fro can't be higher seeded.
Fro won vs Orion = 2-0
Akk won vs Orion = 2-0
Fro lost vs 51 = 0-2
akk lost vs 51 = 1-2

Logically akk should be higher seed
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:57 AM
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Fro won vs Orion = 2-0
Akk won vs Orion = 2-0
Fro lost vs KLF = 0-2
akk lost vs 51 = 1-2
[51] lost againist KLF = 1-2
You confusing [51] with KLF
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:00 AM
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You confusing [51] with KLF
true ,true its a mistake there, But still akk should be higher seeded.
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:18 AM
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And why Ai is 0-0 ?
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:39 PM
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silly brit, the last time something clever happened and you were involved was Washington's Christmas raid on the Hessians, and we all know how that turned out
HAHA! oh yew <3 and thanks for saving my ass Evil lol
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:55 PM
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I like the idea that teams are rewarded for winning against the odds, but it has to implemented in a way that doesn't gank the high ranked teams. Maybe if people getting thinking now, we can find a way of implementing a variant in a later pwned.

inb4 qq get stomped by Ai,
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Old 08-02-2011, 06:29 PM
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I like how KLF is ranked lower than fLb even though fLb had to forfeit to them xD
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:05 PM
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Yes you did won 3 and that is why it you are 4th seeded.
If Fro lost 2-0 to 51 , and akk almost won 51 with 2-1 then Fro can't be higher seeded.
Fro won vs Orion = 2-0
Akk won vs Orion = 2-0
Fro lost vs 51 = 0-2
akk lost vs 51 = 1-2

Logically akk should be higher seed
No, they shouldnt, since the double elimination bracket seeds everyone already.... KLF vs 51, 51 lost, and FRO lost to the winning team whereas Akk lost to the losing team... thats how that bracket works
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:23 PM
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No, they shouldnt, since the double elimination bracket seeds everyone already.... KLF vs 51, 51 lost, and FRO lost to the winning team whereas Akk lost to the losing team... thats how that bracket works
i think veri was talking about points gained not about games...
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Old 08-02-2011, 11:56 PM
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fLb lost two as well (including the forfeit), KLF should be second seed.
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:50 AM
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fLb lost two as well (including the forfeit), KLF should be second seed.
Yea technically but as Evil said, i think bc klf lost to fLb they are seeded higher, forfits dont count i dont think..
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Old 08-05-2011, 08:57 AM
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:45 PM
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Can you confirm that our 1st match vs Ai is sunday 7th of august at 5 GMT please ? Tks.
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:19 PM
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ffs don't post conflicting brackets then not confirm which one is right. class posted the other one in everybody's clan pages.
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Old 08-07-2011, 06:26 PM
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ffs don't post conflicting brackets then not confirm which one is right. class posted the other one in everybody's clan pages.
a well run tournament

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Old 08-07-2011, 07:27 PM
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Class asked me to add pewpew, i provided a new bracket, not my fault
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Old 08-07-2011, 08:04 PM
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is there a updated bracket?
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Old 08-07-2011, 08:36 PM
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Long tourney is long. I think a lot of people have petered out.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:22 AM
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Something important came up and i had to go =(

Hope some games were still had and if so then thats a positive thing.

And wolfy >.<

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Old 08-08-2011, 01:45 PM
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shouldnt we like post the scores here so the bracket can be updated.

i'll go ahead =D
KLF > Ai 2-1
KLF > FRO 2-0
KLF > fLb 2-0
KLF > qq over 9000 - ? (hasn't been played yet.)

i don't know if KLF played a match before Ai but i wasn't there so herpderp =D
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:43 PM
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yes, there was another match... klf > orion 2-0


scores should be posted here so Evil can do his thang.

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Old 08-09-2011, 01:11 AM
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/Ai's results:
2-0 vs PewPew
0-2 vs qq
2-0 vs akk
1-2 vs KLF
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:09 PM
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Orion's results:
0-2 vs KLF
0-2 vs PewPew

Thanks to both KLF and PewPew for the great games and thanks to Evil and Classy for setting this up and making everything run as smoothly as possible. We will most likely be signing up for APL 6 so I guess we will see you guys there in a few weeks.
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Old 08-11-2011, 05:37 AM
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we gotta move the qq KLF game, cause i cant make it or aking and idk about mled. MOVE IT please (: <3
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