SkyLeague 8 Registration

[wolf'j'max]

130-140 on the US server, stable 28 on the EU server.

[Tekn0]

Originally Posted by VAN1SH1NG

The Vlix servers are awful for us in USA. Old EU ladder and other servers were not great either. I think this may be better than any Euro server I have ever played on. I am willing to pay for an inexpensive, but decent, euro VPS (this one is $7USD per month, 2GB RAM) primarily to offer for EU ladder, but also for league use. Ladder took a big hit when the euro server started having issues and later was taken offline. Hoping this can help increase the hours ladder is active and provide a better experience for US players on euro servers for league.

AIR EU servers were the best EU servers we had and wasn't hosted in the UK :/ Too bad they're gone. I'll see if I can do some research on EU servers and their pricing here as well.

[VAN1SH1NG]

Originally Posted by Tekn0

AIR EU servers were the best EU servers we had and wasn't hosted in the UK :/ Too bad they're gone. I'll see if I can do some research on EU servers and their pricing here as well.

I have done a lot of research on EU servers over the past few days and haven't had much luck. I haven't been able to get any pings in the 120's anywhere outside the UK though and I have pinged a lot of test IPs. Really think UK servers can give the lowest pings to the US. Elsewhere the best I think have I seen is closer to 140.

I'm not ready to give up the VPS I already found after only such brief testing. It seems to work great for me and everyone in EU. Just one or two non euros in the server spiked occasionally. It may have been something unrelated to the server.

I was going to try other options but haven't found anything I though was worth trying. The current server is cheaper because it uses OpenVZ virtualizaton. Xen is the best option for game servers, but can get expensive and could find very few options in the UK.

I have seen some relatively cheap dedicated boxes in New York that should give decent pings to Europe. Again I have been looking at both east coast US and west Europe options. There are also some fairly cheap dedicated boxes from OVH in Canada just north of New York and also in France. Their France location seems to give me the typical 140ms ping though and not the sub 130 that I am hoping for.

Might try pinging their Canada datacenter and see how good you get? Go to http://ipv4.bhs.proof.ovh.net/. I don't think the results that page provides are very accurate, but you might try directly pinging the dns names. So in windows open up command prompt (Accessories folder) and type "ping bhs.proof.ovh.net" for Canada. Can post France results too if you want.

Also the New York servers I was talking about I think you should be able to ping one of their DNS servers such as "dns8.reliablesite.net". I don't have an actual test IP for them but the DNS ping is exactly what I would expect from a good NY datacenter.

I get 56-60ms to NY and 59-61ms to OVH in Canada.

[JWhatever]

Originally Posted by Tekn0

AIR EU servers were the best EU servers we had and wasn't hosted in the UK :/ Too bad they're gone. I'll see if I can do some research on EU servers and their pricing here as well.

AIR pub was hosted by Jestservers. There was something funky with the privates tho, the other one might have been on jest and #2 on Specs/GUI.tars VPS.

The first not really a viable option as hosting a 40 man server costs something like 40€/month or so, a crazy amount of dosh.
Spec was dedicated...

iirc one of 'em/both were hosted in middle Europe, probs in Germany.


-J

[CmdrNoval]

Originally Posted by wolf'j'max

130-140 on the US server, stable 28 on the EU server.

About what I expected. I am getting roughly the same numbers (125 to EU & 20 to US) These servers are hosted by JestServers, just like Dojo, Dojo II, & Tadow! ...(SL8 League Server -US2 is Dojo II, just hopped up for SL)... So they will be stable and relatively spike free.

[lakospeter91]

DN, is it allowed to make changes to the roster before the first game? Thanks for the answer.

[darknietzsche]

Yes it is, all subs for the week must be in by 1:45 EDT/6:45GMT every sunday.

[lakospeter91]

OK, thanks for the answer! I guess you meant to say 5:45 GMT though, so 15 minutes before the first game.

[darknietzsche]

Yes you are right, and I meant to use EDT.

[Dougie]

adding Paradigm and tjerki to our roster

[sunshineduck]

replacing ryebone with leggo

[BrazNomar]

Adding Duck Duck Pwn to ZeroG roster.

[Carlos98]

{ball}'s roster this week:
ball'n
hollywood
Carlos
Moser
XX2
Threevenge
Ryebone
Badhomer
Tori
Vipr
Some Poor Soul
Matattack
Taze
tmic
zZ
Aya

[Xorg]

Adding Jonus to SMILE roster and replacing lol@death with Sexy

[BrazNomar]

Well, I've been asked lots of times about who ZeroG's Krushed is, since he's a good player and had never been seen before this SL. I was told it looked obvious that he's experienced and he could be someone else under another account.

Some people have expressed the importance of knowing the opponent's names as a way to plan ahead how to play against them. Not knowing that, and said opponent knowing your players' names, it'd have a clear unfair advantage over your team.

Some might believe and some not, but I did accept Krushed's wish to join ZeroG under a smurf account without a clue about that importance. He's played in most of our games and we never even tried to hide his experience. I didn't believe this could have such importance, since I thought the best players train so much exactly so that they can make the best decisions regardless of who they're facing.

Anyway, since I've now seen and accepted the possibility of that analysis and an unfair advantage, I'd like to say that Krushed is the same player as KLF.Wolf.

It looks like the subject is controversial. So, under the voting of the other clans that might feel they've been harmed and DN's approval, ZeroG offers forfeits of those games we won and in which Wolf has played.

And being frank here: with this, I don't mean to imply we're perfect, and will never going to make mistakes again. They will probably happen, we might discover other things too late, whatever. But as it has been since the beginning of this clan, we're all about learning - we've started from scratch and only a few friendships. Hopefully, by keeping up the fair play, we'll both measure real skill better and keep welcoming talented players into our ranks - and of course, learning some more.

[Lombard]

Originally Posted by BrazNomar

Well, I've been asked lots of times about who ZeroG's Krushed is, since he's a good player and had never been seen before this SL. I was told it looked obvious that he's experienced and he could be someone else under another account.

Some people have expressed the importance of knowing the opponent's names as a way to plan ahead how to play against them. Not knowing that, and said opponent knowing your players' names, it'd have a clear unfair advantage over your team.

Some might believe and some not, but I did accept Krushed's wish to join ZeroG under a smurf account without a clue about that importance. He's played in most of our games and we never even tried to hide his experience. I didn't believe this could have such importance, since I thought the best players train so much exactly so that they can make the best decisions regardless of who they're facing.

Anyway, since I've now seen and accepted the possibility of that analysis and an unfair advantage, I'd like to say that Krushed is the same player as KLF.Wolf.

It looks like the subject is controversial. So, under the voting of the other clans that might feel they've been harmed and DN's approval, ZeroG offers forfeits of those games we won and in which Wolf has played.

And being frank here: with this, I don't mean to imply we're perfect, and will never going to make mistakes again. They will probably happen, we might discover other things too late, whatever. But as it has been since the beginning of this clan, we're all about learning - we've started from scratch and only a few friendships. Hopefully, by keeping up the fair play, we'll both measure real skill better and keep welcoming talented players into our ranks - and of course, learning some more.

well said
thanks for posting this so ppl can stop

[Kafka]

Originally Posted by BrazNomar

I didn't believe this could have such importance, since I thought the best players train so much exactly so that they can make the best decisions regardless of who they're facing.

This. A good team wins due to good mechanics, not based on the experience of the opposition. I do not believe you should have to vacate your wins from SL, as you legally added the player to your roster and notified the community of it. Anyone who complains about the presence of a "smurf" account, honestly, is a crybaby.

+1 for Braz being such a stand up guy. You never fail to impress me with your genuine integrity and humility

[Carlos98]

The big issue in my book would be if Wolf was playing for a second team as well, which he doesn't appear to be doing. I don't see why anyone should care at all.

This "issue" is silly.

[Slender]

Originally Posted by Carlos98

The big issue in my book would be if Wolf was playing for a second team as well, which he doesn't appear to be doing. I don't see why anyone should care at all.

This "issue" is silly.

^This. Smurfing on tournaments is no big deal unless otherwise stated (which has never been). Just to put an example, last APL, classy went on one of his smurfs and played a few games on that account instead of his main one, with KLF but he hadn't played with anyone else and there is no moral obligation to share these minor things somewhere.

Your intentions of honesty are well appreciated but don't fit your "issue".

[lakospeter91]

The thing is that there are no rules (to my knowledge) that would forbid and/or punish for a player to play under a different account than his main one. Therefore ZroG should not and cannot offer forfeit based on breaking a rule that doesn't exist.

For the next BALL tournament there should be some clearly listed rules and punishments for their violation in one post, so we could avoid these situations. (Like name changing, smurf accounts, spamming PM's to the other team's players, changing the roster between two matches on the same day, and I'm sure there is more.)
Currently we have the APL rules as the SL rules, which state that the game format is 5v5 TBD, so we are all violating the rules Posts scattered around in different threads are just not a clear way of declaring rules.

[Dougie]

Originally Posted by lakospeter91

The thing is that there are no rules (to my knowledge) that would forbid and/or punish for a player to play under a different account than his main one. Therefore ZroG should not and cannot offer forfeit based on breaking a rule that doesn't exist.

For the next BALL tournament there should be some clearly listed rules and punishments for their violation in one post, so we could avoid these situations. (Like name changing, smurf accounts, spamming PM's to the other team's players, changing the roster between two matches on the same day, and I'm sure there is more.)
Currently we have the APL rules as the SL rules, which state that the game format is 5v5 TBD, so we are all violating the rules Posts scattered around in different threads are just not a clear way of declaring rules.

Lakos is quite correct with regards to the current rules. We have not broken any existing rules in the current SkyLeague, but we have crossed a lline which was already a sore point made from the last Sky league when BBQ and t3c switched names. Although that situation was slightly different to this, this could have been avoided through adopting a new rule on name changes, or making all players on a clan identifiable. It seems the matter was extremely divisive, either you cared a lot about it or not at all. The suggestion was made by Jwhatever in his rules suggestions for this season (http://altitudegame.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8776). I wouldn't go as far as to say "players must have a name that is distinguishable at all times", but I would suggest "When a clan asks, a player should give up his true identity based on his highest ladder ranking", or something along those lines.

Also, I do think, if there is to be another Sky League, the rules should be separated from APL and given its own thread. I'd be happy to help out if the tournament organizers want assistance/advice.

[CCN]

Dougie is a top class, balanced, organiser

[BrazNomar]

It's true it's not against the rules, I even checked with DN before that decision. But as explained, it didn't feel quite right - also, from what I've heard from those I've talked about this, I couldn't be sure how much of an "issue" the community thought it was.

Nevertheless, I discovered, though late, how it can affect a game. Even if it doesn't (or didn't) have as big an importance for my play, it indeed is a game factor. I wouldn't like it myself if I was prevented on using a tactic. (Of course, that's something that wouldn't matter on real, save-your-ass wars or fights, but since this is a "sports" game, that harshness is not really needed.)

Only thing left unsolved is why I haven't had a reply from Wolf. When he asked for it, I must have thought he wanted privacy. I'd apologize for not knowing about this sooner.

[Creative2Caz]

ZroG.//YeaNoMaybe = ZroG.//Caz .. I think I saw a rule about having to post namechanges, so I'm doing it regardless since I cba to look it up lol .. Kinda forgot I wouldn't be able to change back in time for the SL playoffs ..

[sunshineduck]

replacing lekai with radium

[JWhatever]

Can't remember who is in charge of giving out cp so uh...

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Disilord - f6ad6383-ed66-414e-808e-28682cc1c4ec
DN - d0e8ad71-e540-4f5b-bb73-91a8960523de
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Ragnorak - 6b401565-1c32-412a-9155-14d3c08a5e6e
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-J