Requesting removal of hills from official servers

[Jacques Strap]

Can we remove hills from the public servers? Hills always creates awful games. Noobs camp the bomb at the base, while bombers spam over the top, and whenever someone tries to cross the top, they get pulverized by grenades. Bombing is almost always based on luck, and I bet that 4 out of 5 players that you ask will say that hills is the worst map on Altitude. No offense to whoever created it, but it just plays horribly.

There is almost no room for strategy, as the map is so open and free of obstacles. There is nothing fun about it, as you are either shredding the other team with bomber and loopy spam, or getting shredded by bomber and loopy spam. Bombing is very hard at the top, due to constant grenade spam and a swarm of players below, and bombing is even harder at the bottom because of dumb bomb spam, EMP, and other players in the way.

If hills is not going to be removed, It should be improved. Making a third choke point in the mountain would cut down on spam and increase strategy. Increasing the length of the map would help cut down on the hordes of players in small spaces. Adding more obstacles would create more strategy, make explodets and mirandas useful, and prevent the map from being a giant bloodbath. The base could possibly be elevated to make bombing from the top of the map to be more effective, but bombing form the bottom would be next to useless. If the map was made larger, there could be a neutral bomb inside of the mountain to reward the more skilled team.

[AtomikPi]

Agreed. I really don't know why hills is still official, since it's the worst map by a large margin.

[Death Rod]

Originally Posted by Jacques Strap

Can we remove hills from the public servers?

I hope we could, and i agree too.

[Vania]

Agree, it sucks.

I showed this game to a friend and he told me he hated it,
I asked why and he said:

"Because all you have to do is stay at the exit of a chokepoint and kill the people that go through it, its boring"


So there you go, stupid maps like hills turn away potential customers.

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by Vania

Agree, it sucks.

I showed this game to a friend and he told me he hated it,
I asked why and he said:

"Because all you have to do is stay at the exit of a chokepoint and kill the people that go through it, its boring"


So there you go, stupid maps like hills turn away potential customers.

Its not the game's fault that your friend has no imagination and will camp a choke and then complain that the game lets him do it. Also, if you're saying Hills is the only map with chokes I'd be pretty amused.

I don't want to see Hills removed. Instead of jumping on the all-pros-hate-hills bandwagon, how about you nut up and take out the other team on it? Try some new strategies?

Sure, we can just take all the maps that are hip and cool and stick with them and never wander, but I like Hills, and making up statistics like '9 out of 10 skilled players hate Hills' is both laughable and pathetically elitist. But if you guys think there's no point in having the map because... the map design makes it too easy? Makes it too hard? You can't figure out how to break the chokes or the chokes are too easy to break? I don't get what the complaint is.

There are a lot of people who like Hills, and I think its selfish to ask for it to be removed because it rubs you the wrong way. Be more considerate to the people playing on the public servers, because they're not just you.

[Jacques Strap]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Its not the game's fault that your friend has no imagination and will camp a choke and then complain that the game lets him do it. Also, if you're saying Hills is the only map with chokes I'd be pretty amused.

I don't want to see Hills removed. Instead of jumping on the all-pros-hate-hills bandwagon, how about you nut up and take out the other team on it? Try some new strategies?

Sure, we can just take all the maps that are hip and cool and stick with them and never wander, but I like Hills, and making up statistics like '9 out of 10 skilled players hate Hills' is both laughable and pathetically elitist. But if you guys think there's no point in having the map because... the map design makes it too easy? Makes it too hard? You can't figure out how to break the chokes or the chokes are too easy to break? I don't get what the complaint is.

There are a lot of people who like Hills, and I think its selfish to ask for it to be removed because it rubs you the wrong way. Be more considerate to the people playing on the public servers, because they're not just you.

I'm not saying that exactly 9 out of 10 people hate hills, I'm just saying that is is very unpopular among so many people. I also acknowledge that some people do like hills. The problem with hills is that there is almost no room for strategy; it's just spam, camp, and attempt to bomb. It creates awful games, especially when there is a full server. I am not trying to get hills removed just because some good players don't like it. I want it removed because I hate it, so many other players hate it, and there is almost no room for strategy or anything creative. Besides, most of the time the map switches to hills, a vote changes the map.

EDIT: I misworded the "9 out of 10 players hate hills" comment, so sorry if I made it seem like a recorded statistic.

[AtomikPi]

Originally Posted by Beagle

You can't figure out how to break the chokes or the chokes are too easy to break? I don't get what the complaint is.

There are a lot of people who like Hills, and I think its selfish to ask for it to be removed because it rubs you the wrong way. Be more considerate to the people playing on the public servers, because they're not just you.

Hills isn't a proleague map, so there aren't skilled players attempting to break the chokes very often. When it does come up, it's on the official servers, where most of the players don't have much of an idea what they're doing. One person can't change much if his entire team is playing a certain way.

Hills is by far the most egregious choke-heavy map, and it's almost universally disliked among veteran players. Removing it would increase the quality of the map pool, so it should be removed.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by AtomikPi

Removing it would increase the quality of the map pool, so it should be removed.

Map pool is small and removing maps is not a good idea (beside the fact that many players like Hills and I do not see why they shouldn't be able to play just because we do not like it).
Instead would be a good idea to add Fallout and Heights.

[Torrent]

solution!

bring back the old grasslands no matter how ugly it looks at least its larger than hills

[GoldenBoy]

I agree with most of you, I think hills is a noob map...And if we can remove it, it would be great!

[Flyngbanana]

How about a less extreme solution and try and improve the map? Add another route through the mountain with a communal bomb in it and the map has potential.

[GoldenBoy]

Originally Posted by Flyngbanana

How about a less extreme solution and try and improve the map?

Ok...I think we solved our problem!
I think we should improve the map, first thing it must be bigger because when you carry the bomb you just drop it from your side off the base to the enemys side!I think thats lame so it must be bigger,like 2x bigger.And put some more hills...I mean theres just one rock on the map !

[DiogenesDog]

I look at Hills the same way I look at FFA:

- Most skilled players prefer other maps

- The games are quick and chaotic

- I kinda like both, but they're just a nice change of pace every few games, I wouldn't want to make a habit of it.

- IMO people who spaz out over having to play something they don't like for a few minutes after an hour of playing stuff they do like are overreacting.


At the very least tho, a new map using the Hills art should be made if everyone hates it that much. It's one of the top 5 best looking maps in the game.

[eth]

Originally Posted by Flyngbanana

How about a less extreme solution and try and improve the map? Add another route through the mountain with a communal bomb in it and the map has potential.

This seems to me like the best idea. Also agree with Dio lol, even though Hills is pretty ****ing bad, it's only 5 minutes of your time before the next map.

[Beagle]

And as you said, you can votechange as soon as Hills is picked if everybody hates it so much. So right now, we have a situation where the people who like hills can play it and if the majority on the server DOESN'T like hills they don't have to play it. But you're whining because that's not good enough - its such a pain to call a votechange, so lets just remove hills from the map pool, screw all the people who might want to play it!

I don't think you've thought about this enough, or maybe you've thought about this too much and blown it out of proportion in your own mind.

[Vania]

I know some people like hills, so what?
People like football plane_ball map, and bouncy maps too, that doesnt mean they should be on the official servers.

You're only defending hills because its old, there are a couple of new maps that deserve to replace hills.

Official servers should only have the very best maps, la creme de la creme. Leave ugly and ill designed maps in unofficial servers.

[pig_bomb]

it's not like the official servers are "full" and we need to get rid of it to make room. Honestly i can't remember the last time i played hills, any time its voted for it gets shot down. The map isn't doing you any harm just let it be, it just wants a little <3

[GGQ]

You know, I agree with Beagle.

I hate hills, and I tend to /vote changemap when it comes up, and move to a different server if the vote fails. But some people like it, and they have as much right to play maps they like as I do.

I don't think it needs to be removed.

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by Vania

I know some people like hills, so what?
People like football plane_ball map, and bouncy maps too, that doesnt mean they should be on the official servers.

You're only defending hills because its old, there are a couple of new maps that deserve to replace hills.

Official servers should only have the very best maps, la creme de la creme. Leave ugly and ill designed maps in unofficial servers.

And who is the ruling commitee who take a scientifc and thoughtful approach to deciding which maps are not ugly and ill designed?

If you like a map, it's creme de la creme. If I like a map, I'm only defending it because its old. Do you see the problem here?

Using a strawman argument by including maps that modify gameplay like bouncy maps is silly. Hills is a standard gameplay map and has been in circulation on the official server since the beginning. Furthermore, I don't know why you're saying there are maps that deserve to 'replace' Hills - there's no need for an economy of maps, we can introduce new maps without replacing any old ones.

But the start of your post is all I needed to quote anyway - "I know some people like hills, so what?"
No matter how much I try and get the point across, you won't care because you only care about your own taste in maps, and everyone else just doesn't have any good taste at all, right?

Again, please be more considerate of what OTHER PLAYERS might think of maps instead of just assuming you are the definitive map critic.

[eth]

Beagle I think you know that most players do dislike Hills, since games on that map tend to turn into extreme campfests(and has less room for "innovation" than other maps, since it has only two chokes). Regardless of that, as I said in last post I agree with you that there's not much point in removing it.

[Niko0olas]

i know it will sound stupid...
but what do you think about remaking it?
[with center and stuff...

i will may try to edit it a bit and show u my whole idea...
bt thts only maimers copyrights..
=]

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by eth

Beagle I think you know that most players do dislike Hills, since games on that map tend to turn into extreme campfests(and has less room for "innovation" than other maps, since it has only two chokes). Regardless of that, as I said in last post I agree with you that there's not much point in removing it.

Until I see some actual evidence that 'most players dislike Hills' instead of unsupported pontification, that's not a school of thought that I'm going to apply to.

[GoldenBoy]

Originally Posted by Niko0olas

i know it will sound stupid...
but what do you think about remaking it?

Hey that isnt stupid...like I said I think we should remake it!
Make it better,bigger...!

[AtomikPi]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Until I see some actual evidence that 'most players dislike Hills' instead of unsupported pontification, that's not a school of thought that I'm going to apply to.

So far, you're the only veteran player who supports it. All other secret hills lovers are welcomed to provide their support.

[wolf'j'max]

I'm not a Veteran but i like it in a different perspective than other maps. Get your ideas and you will get a good startegy like i have. (but noobs won't listnen to it so..)
Improving the map is the best idea.

[DiogenesDog]

Originally Posted by AtomikPi

So far, you're the only veteran player who supports it. All other secret hills lovers are welcomed to provide their support.

Eth and I also want to keep it.

This thread has gotten pretty silly.

[Evan20000]

I don't know if I'm considered a vet, but here it goes.

Hills is an awful map, but heres the way I see it:

Some people like hills, who are we to deny them that.
You can vote to change map.
If the vote fails, the people probably aren't worth playing with anyway. Find another server. (captains server is a good bet <3)

Just my .02

Agreed Dio, this has gotten ridiculous.

[DMCM]

I wouldn't call myself a veteran but I've been playing for over 6 months. When I started palying we only had Hills, Lostcity and Cave... I think that was it.

If nothing else, Hills is a classic and some people like it so don't remove it.

[Vania]

Whatever, I dont care, I dont even play anymore.

If Lamster doesnt care about giving a lousy first impression to a potential buyer thats his problem. Big communities suck anyway.

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by AtomikPi

So far, you're the only veteran player who supports it.

This is what this whole thread is about, a poorly disguised toffee-nosed snooty-arse tryhard elitist PROS BEFORE HOS club.

Kids, it doesn't matter if you're a veteran player of the game or if your ratio is higher than your hourly income. You don't get a blazer, there is no secret veteran's bar in the basement, and you certainly don't get to dictate how the game is played for all the other players who aren't fortunate enough to be as elite as you are.

There are no doubt hundreds of paying nublets who love Hills much more than I do, and taking it away from them just because having to mapvote out of it is an inconvenience to you, or because its beneath you to be anywhere near such an uncouth map, is absoloutely ridiculous.

I'd like to see this thread come to an end, as I can scarcely believe you guys are really this self-centered.

[wolf'j'max]

I finally liked a post from you "b(e)agle" and i am also asking an admin to close this thread.

[Flyngbanana]

Originally Posted by wolf'j'max

I finally liked a post from you "b(e)agle" and i am also asking an admin to close this thread.

I see no real reason to shut this thread, it hasn't got too badly out of control yet.

/rerail
Would those who currently support hills object to any changes to the map?

[Blind Pilot]

Originally Posted by DMCM

I wouldn't call myself a veteran but I've been playing for over 6 months. When I started palying we only had Hills, Lostcity and Cave... I think that was it.

If nothing else, Hills is a classic and some people like it so don't remove it.

This is the reason Hills should stay in my mind.

I'm a huge Beatles fan, but I never listen to "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" ever. Why? because in my opinion it is a lesser piece of work and their later work was much better. But I understand that some people out there probably love that song and I would never request that it be stricken from the Beatles Anthology. It's classic and it stays.

The Hills is a classic and it should stay.

[Jacques Strap]

I have thought more about this, and I think that improving hills would be better than removing it. Right now, it is an awful map, but it has potential to be great if some changes were made to it.

[Kuja900]

Hills is not a classic, Grasslands is a classic. Hills is a knockoff version of Grasslands with no room for any tactics beyond the art of spray and pray.

[Bukem]

I'm in complete agreement with Beagle, loads of noobs love hills because its a simple spamfest. I've been in a server plenty of times where hills has replaced asteroids with like 80% of votes. Taking it away from them is pretty unneccesary :\

[[FN]MONXY FIST]

Originally Posted by Bukem

I'm in complete agreement with Beagle, loads of noobs love hills because its a simple spamfest. I've been in a server plenty of times where hills has replaced asteroids with like 80% of votes. Taking it away from them is pretty unneccesary :\

When i play, hills is vetoed the vast majority of the time.

[Bukem]

Yeah I'm mainly talking about when I'm killing time in a server full of noob demos. In servers where a number of decent players are playing it never gets played anyway.

[Equilibrix]

Well, Hills was the first map I played on and I have some nostalgic memories connected with it.. But I agree that some improvements would make it much better! Right now I just vote for a map change or find another server if the vote fails.. and it doesn't bother me very much

[Triped]

I want to keep hills.