Patch: Feb 28th, miscellaneous updates, bug fixes

[lamster]

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Feb 28th, 2010

Removed loopholes that allowed aces to gain experience in non-multiplayer games

Added goal assist tracking to ball mode

Updated end of round award categories to avoid redundancies

Fixed a few minor issues with official maps

Fixed a few bugs

[Don't Follow]

is it just me, I get an error now when trying to launch altitude...

anyone else having probs?

[Sean]

Wow, thanks a lot! I like the goal assist idea.

[Stormich]

Are the players reset?

[lamster]

Originally Posted by Don't Follow

is it just me, I get an error now when trying to launch altitude...
anyone else having probs?

What is the exact error message you are seeing? What operating system are you using?

[lamster]

Originally Posted by Stormich

Are the players reset?

Resets for ace boosters will be completed within the next hour.

[Stormich]

Thanks, just wanted to know

[elxir]

Originally Posted by lamster

added goal assist tracking to ball mode

yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!!!!!!!

[flyin ace]

i was ace rank 4 and then on sunday 28th on the day of update im= am back to ace 1!!!!
wtf happened
all my hard work goin on ffa and ball and tbd wasted!!!
plz help me get my ranks back plzz
!!!
ty

[Luke]

Maimer now are you going to remove all the bans?

[Stormich]

Originally Posted by flyin ace

i was ace rank 4 and then on sunday 28th on the day of update im= am back to ace 1!!!!
wtf happened
all my hard work goin on ffa and ball and tbd wasted!!!
plz help me get my ranks back plzz
!!!
ty

Everyone farming has been reset

[gemigemi]

Updated ball maps were core and labyrinth. In core it seems the only change was removing the second power up from the top power up spawn which is good. On labyrinth seems that the team colors were changed and nothing else. The new colors are horrible and differentiating the team colors from each other and the background is a pain. Is this a serious change?

[tgleaf]

Originally Posted by lamster

Added goal assist tracking to ball mode

So a bit more than that actually changed...

Old screen:
Kamikaze
Ball Hog
Most Goals
Best Kill Streak
Most Deadly

New screen:
Longest Life
Most Goal Assists
Best Multikill
Best Kill Streak
Most Deadly

Taking away "Most Goals" means that if someone gets the most xp from kills and is MVP, there will be no record of who scored goals for that team (only assists). This is a problem. Assists are a great idea, but not at the expense of goals, which are clearly more important. Kamikaze was a silly stat for a ball match, but Longest Life doesn't seem any more relevant to ball. Replace Longest Life with Most Goals and I think you're good. Best Multikill replaced Ball Hog. I never thought Ball Hog was very helpful to know, but it seems a bit more relevant than Multikill. I don't really care either way on that one, though.

What I would really like to see is a breakdown of who scored all of the goals. Maybe to the left of the "most/best" designations? I know it would clutter it, but sometimes three people score 2 goals each and you only see the name of one person. It would be too much info to see in the short time the screen appears for, but it would be useful for screenshots of games.

Thanks again for adding improvements!

[gemigemi]

Originally Posted by tgleaf

So a bit more than that actually changed...

Oh wow, didn't notice those yet as I didn't play a full round.

Adding goal assists was great. Removing most goals is ok since you'll see at least two goal scores from the mvp's anyway. Ball hog on the other hand was the stat that I looked at the most from the right side. Everything else could be seen from somewhere else (kills from the tab list and most goals from the mvp) or is quite meaningless (highest kill streak) but ball hog is not seen anywhere else. I agree with leaf that longest life is meaningless in ball, so please replace that with ball hog.

And as tgleaf said, getting a full list of all goals in the results would be extremely nice. List each goal with the scorer and the assist. There is plenty of room to do this. I'm assuming people might also be interested in the base hits in the TBD mode so this information could be placed in the same space in that mode.

[tyr]

Originally Posted by tgleaf

Taking away "Most Goals" means that if someone gets the most xp from kills and is MVP, there will be no record of who scored goals for that team

That can't happen.
If you join at the last second and score the only goal for your team before losing and if someone is 80-0 in that team, you'll still be MVP.
Happened to me yesterday (not 80-0 though. )

What I'd like to see though is the list of all the people who scored.
That would be really nice. Like under the MVPs maybe, I dunno.

[wiseguy]

Originally Posted by tgleaf

What I would really like to see is a breakdown of who scored all of the goals. Maybe to the left of the "most/best" designations? I know it would clutter it, but sometimes three people score 2 goals each and you only see the name of one person. It would be too much info to see in the short time the screen appears for, but it would be useful for screenshots of games.

Thanks again for adding improvements!

I really like this idea. Perhaps where we currently have the MVP boxes, we could have two columns with each goal scored per team: A picture of the scoring plane, and the name of the assist.

Then the MVP's from each team could just be highlighted from that list, and it shouldn't add too much space? It would be a good bit busier, but I think it would be the most interesting information about the match.

[Harmonica]

Originally Posted by lamster

Added goal assist tracking to ball mode

Thank you!

Originally Posted by tgleaf

Kamikaze was a silly stat for a ball match, but Longest Life doesn't seem any more relevant to ball. Replace Longest Life with Most Goals and I think you're good. Best Multikill replaced Ball Hog. I never thought Ball Hog was very helpful to know, but it seems a bit more relevant than Multikill. I don't really care either way on that one, though.

I agree that Kamikaze was silly, but I think Longest Live might have some relevance for identifying the players who don't approach the ball enough -- similar to how Ball Hog could identify players who didn't pass enough. It's a way to identify the players you likely don't want on your team, despite any otherwise impressive stats they might have.

While Kill Streaks are utterly meaningless in Ball, Multikills indicate that someone shifted the balance in their team's favor -- I think that's useful. Anybody with an 'F' key and enough cowardice to run away from the ball can rack up long kill streaks (and long lives), but a player usually has to actually be engaged with the other team -- and the ball's movement -- to get a decent Multikill.

Originally Posted by tgleaf

What I would really like to see is a breakdown of who scored all of the goals. Maybe to the left of the "most/best" designations? I know it would clutter it, but sometimes three people score 2 goals each and you only see the name of one person.

I think this is a great idea.

[nesnl]

I think the "Longest Life" stat seems to be broken in ball mode. I played a few games where it definitely displayed a number way too large. I think it was displaying the game time length. Like on the last game it said the longest life was 8 minutes 31 seconds long. Who lives that long in ball?

But I am in agreement with other's in this thread. To me, I would like to see Most Goals instead of Longest Life.

[The Turretnator]

Originally Posted by nesnl

I think the "Longest Life" stat seems to be broken in ball mode. I played a few games where it definitely displayed a number way too large. I think it was displaying the game time length. Like on the last game it said the longest life was 8 minutes 31 seconds long. Who lives that long in ball?

But I am in agreement with other's in this thread. To me, I would like to see Most Goals instead of Longest Life.

yeah, its def screwey.... It always lists the winner as 8 minutes 31 seconds, and then says "You = 8 min 31 seconds."

And it is always that same amount: 8'31".

[as red as black]

Originally Posted by nesnl

I think the "Longest Life" stat seems to be broken in ball mode. I played a few games where it definitely displayed a number way too large. I think it was displaying the game time length. Like on the last game it said the longest life was 8 minutes 31 seconds long. Who lives that long in ball?

But I am in agreement with other's in this thread. To me, I would like to see Most Goals instead of Longest Life.

yea it keeps on saying 8 minutes 31 seconds. I've seen that time show up for longest life I think all games I've played.

I'd rather see who score the most goals than longest life. I liked the ball hog stat too, so maybe that could get put back up.

Maybe team stats would be cool, like time of possession.

mvp should be only about goals and assists. Maybe make goals worth 2 pts and assists worth 1 pt and use that to judge who gets mvp.

[elxir]

Team time of possession would be an awesome stat - good idea arab

[lamster]

labyrinth team color change was an accident, will be fixed in the next patch.

"longest life" is broken, will be fixed in the next patch.

MVP in ball mode goes to whoever scored the most goals, with total XP used strictly as a tiebreaker, therefore the "most goals" category is redundant (in practice "most goals" occasionally showed a different player in the case of a tie, but this was randomly determined -- if anything this slot should again go to the "best" most-goaler, e.g. the MVP).

I'll try to incorporate more scoring/assist/possession info in the next patch.

[tgleaf]

Originally Posted by lamster

MVP in ball mode goes to whoever scored the most goals, with total XP used strictly as a tiebreaker, therefore the "most goals" category is redundant (in practice "most goals" occasionally showed a different player in the case of a tie, but this was randomly determined -- if anything this slot should again go to the "best" most-goaler, e.g. the MVP).

Thanks, lamster. I wasn't aware of that, so obviously we don't need another "most goals" section.

[as red as black]

Originally Posted by lamster

labyrinth team color change was an accident, will be fixed in the next patch.

"longest life" is broken, will be fixed in the next patch.

Mvp in ball mode goes to whoever scored the most goals, with total xp used strictly as a tiebreaker, therefore the "most goals" category is redundant (in practice "most goals" occasionally showed a different player in the case of a tie, but this was randomly determined -- if anything this slot should again go to the "best" most-goaler, e.g. The mvp).

I'll try to incorporate more scoring/assist/possession info in the next patch.

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[skyjestr]

Originally Posted by lamster

Updated end of round award categories to avoid redundancies

Fixed a few bugs

Thanks for changing how MVP's are determined in TDM