Team strategist

Seadog · #1 04-04-2010, 09:53 AM

Hey,

maybe i haven't searched enough, but i haven't found suggestion for a "Team strategist" role.

I think there could be a role where you wouldn't fly, but navigate your team mates to successful goal scoring or base destruction, with super view where you would see whole map.

You could suggest formations, early warnings and even drop flares to navigate team.

innerlyte · #2 04-04-2010, 10:52 AM

Supposedly, non-participating players aren't allowed to communicate with those currently in-game according to current APL rules..

Luke · #3 04-04-2010, 11:18 AM

Could you link where you read that rule?
I read "The use of the in-game voice communication software like Team Speak and Ventrilo are the preferred forms of voice communication and are also permitted.".

nobodyhome · #4 04-04-2010, 11:50 AM

There isn't a rule because it can't be enforced. I'm pretty sure common courtesy would tell you that you shouldn't be giving directions to those who are actually playing, since games are meant to be 5v5 and not 5v5 with 1 spectator on each side giving directions.

Although I'm pretty sure I'm wasting my time since Luke has already showed us that he doesn't understand common perceptions of what is ok and what is not unless they're written in stone =\.

Stormich · #5 04-04-2010, 12:22 PM

I've already said I'd like there to be no specs during league matches and Luke just gave me confirmation that a rule like that should be in place. I find it immensely stupid that you would want to abuse a gray area of the game like that.

Luke · #6 04-04-2010, 01:22 PM

No wait.. I expressed myself badly.
I just went checking the rules cause I didn't remember of reading that.

No offence or anything else intended, you took my post wrong. Sry bout that.

tgleaf · #7 04-04-2010, 02:37 PM

Yes, this is definitely a "fine line" of cheating. {ball} has certain members that are generally considered strategists for BALL, but they do not assist during matches (just during practices). They also contribute to our forums discussions, our Guide to Ball, and to our private strategy website. But I think you were mostly contemplating an in-game coach, which -- again -- may be considered cheating.

Stormich · #8 04-04-2010, 03:32 PM

I don't see a problem while doing this when practicing and trying out new stuff, just during competitive play. It's fine Luke, np.

Seadog · #9 04-05-2010, 08:26 AM

OK. I didn't realize spectating might be cheating. But as a player, i sometimes want to spectate a game, to analyze, but can not join server if it is full.
So maybe one could buy ticket with community points? Maybe?

elxir · #10 04-05-2010, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Seadog

OK. I didn't realize spectating might be cheating. But as a player, i sometimes want to spectate a game, to analyze, but can not join server if it is full.
So maybe one could buy ticket with community points? Maybe?

New suggestion: add "spectator only" slots to those servers that desire them. these people cannot communicate with any players during a match.

This would also allow people who want to take a break from ladder without being kicked (if the server is full but 10/12 people are not playing) to do so.

nobodyhome · #11 04-05-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke

No wait.. I expressed myself badly.
I just went checking the rules cause I didn't remember of reading that.

No offence or anything else intended, you took my post wrong. Sry bout that.

Oh, I see. Sorry about the accusation then.

nesnl · #12 04-05-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by elxir

New suggestion: add "spectator only" slots to those servers that desire them. these people cannot communicate with any players during a match.

This would also allow people who want to take a break from ladder without being kicked (if the server is full but 10/12 people are not playing) to do so.

It's not ladder games people are concerned about, it's the league games. People who are spectators can view other areas of the field and then relay the message through things like mumble or other voice chat clients. In other games, they got around this by assigning team specific spectator slots during tournament games. When you were in these team specific spectator slots you couldn't use the free camera but could only use the camera follow of any one of your teammates. This could be implemented in Altitude, but it seems like there are other things that would be of greater value.

elxir · #13 04-05-2010, 10:17 AM

Yea I know, mine was just kind of a tangent.

If people want to pull shenanigans like using teamspeak when speccing/dead there isn't a lot you can do about it.

Seadog · #14 04-05-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nesnl

It's not ladder games people are concerned about, it's the league games. People who are spectators can view other areas of the field and then relay the message through things like mumble or other voice chat clients. In other games, they got around this by assigning team specific spectator slots during tournament games. When you were in these team specific spectator slots you couldn't use the free camera but could only use the camera follow of any one of your teammates. This could be implemented in Altitude, but it seems like there are other things that would be of greater value.

Maybe, you could just follow your friend from friends list. Just like the button to join in game where your friends are playing, there would be a separate button to only spectate friend while he's playing. Friend would then be asked to "vote" if he allows you to spectate him.

tgleaf · #15 04-05-2010, 02:31 PM

I don't support the idea of restricting spectating. Few matches are video captured, so being there to observe is often the only way to watch great players, learn new strategies, and to observe off-the-ball/bomb maneuvers that are often as/more important than the immediate action everyone else is following. I would hate to lose that opportunity by only following a certain player or the main "action."

I agree there isn't another viable way (besides removing spectator spots, which I also don't support) to prevent such cheating, but I guess it's just something we have to live with. Some teams may choose to play unethically, but I think most veteran clans aren't going to need to stoop to that level during league play.

Seadog · #16 04-06-2010, 10:18 AM

Hmmm, I don't see this as a restricion of spectating. But an additional feature that wouldn't compromise exsiting spectating mode.
When server is too full to join, you could ask your friend if you can follow him while playing.
Plus, you wouldn't occupate spaces for other players.
So, some badass flyer could have many fans or pupils watching his match.