1DM / TDM Tournament

[York]

Me (york) and class thought it would be fun to have a 1DM and TDM tournament.

TOURNAMENT ADMINISTRATORS:
YORK - aef9e92f-c31c-4d51-9fd6-3b70ad95276b
NUMBER 3 - c6dab1ab-fb5a-4ef9-b9a3-8cd87aab4661
FU - b95d5a5f-a8cc-43d7-82c5-98cce9767295
CLASS - 54377d92-3845-4b31-9465-4b8d80319f89

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Registration is CLOSED

The TDM Tournament will be on May 1, 2010.
The 1DM Tournament will be on May 8, 2010.

The Tournament will start at 8 PM GMT.

The Format of the tournament is 5v5 1DM and 5v5 TDM.

GAMES WILL BE PLAYED IN:
YORK'S DEATHMATCH SERVER #1
YORK'S DEATHMATCH SERVER #2
YORK'S DEATHMATCH SERVER #3
YORK'S DEATHMATCH SERVER #4
CLAP FOR PHONG

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Please register your team by copy and pasting the following registration slip-

Team Name:
Tag:
Captain:
Team Members:

There is a roster limit of 18 people!

Map Pool: Each round will consist of its own three maps. (round 1 maybe have maps 1, 2, 3 and round 2 may have maps 2, 4, 5)
1DM- Asteroids, Cave, Clocktower, Fallout, Grotto, Mayhem, Middleground
TDM- Asteroids, Cave, Core, Lost City, Mayhem

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The tournament will be separated by game modes. So, it isn’t a tournament with 1DM and TDM mixed together. It is two SEPARATE brackets.
THE TDM BRACKET WILL BE SINGLE ELIMINATION. YOU LOOSE, YOU GO HOME!
THE 1DM BRACKET WILL BE DOUBLE ELIMINATION. YOU LOOSE, YOU GOTTA WIN!

1DM Rules:
Each game will be bo11*
Each match will be bo3
Championship will be bo5
THE DATE FOR THIS TOURNAMENT IS MAY 8, 2010.

TDM Rules:
Each game will be timed*
Each match will be bo3
Championship will be bo5
THE DATE FOR THIS TOURNAMENT IS MAY 1, 2010.

*In TDM, 7:00 minutes seems fair for one game. Thats 21:00 minutes of game time.
*In 1DM, 3:00 minutes PER ROUND seems fair. Thats a MAX of 33:00 minutes of game time and MIN of 18:00 minutes!

Further information on exact scheduling will be released as soon as I bust out the brackets. But I can't do that yet so be patient.

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TDM BRACKET


Server #1 - YorK
8:00 PM GMT - B0T vs AS
Asteroids, Cave, Core
8:30 PM GMT - 010* vs B0T/AS
Cave, Lost City, Mayhem
9:30 PM GMT - FINALS
Asteroids, Cave, Mayhem

Server #2 - Class
8:00 PM GMT - DLAM vs RIP
Asteroids, Cave, Core
8:30 PM GMT - ## vs DLAM/RIP
Cave, Lost City, Mayhem
9:30 PM GMT - 3RD PLACE MATCH
Asteroids, Cave, Mayhem

Server #3 - FU
8:00 PM GMT - -#- vs DW
Asteroids, Cave, Core
8:30 PM GMT - ICE vs DW/-#-
Cave, lost City, Mayhem
9:00 PM GMT - 010*/B0T/AS vs ##/DLAM/RIP
Asteroids, Core, Lost City

Server #4 - Number 3
8:00 PM GMT - APE vs 2G4U
Asteroids, Cave, Core
8:30 PM GMT - Pros* vs APE/2G4U
Cave, Lost City, Mayhem
9:00 PM GMT - ICE/-#-/DW vs Pros*/APE/2G4U
Asteroids, Core, Lost City

1DM BRACKET


Server #1 - YorK
8:00 PM GMT - Pros* vs 101*
Asteroids, Fallout, Grotto
8:30 PM GMT - DLAM vs Pros*/101*
Grotto, Mayhem, Middleground
9:30 PM GMT - FINALS -
Asteroids, Cave, Clocktower

Server #2 - FU
8:00 PM GMT - ## vs AS -
Asteroids, Fallout, Grotto
8:30 PM GMT - 2G4U vs ##/AS -
Grotto, Mayhem, Middleground
9:30 PM GMT - 3RD PLACE MATCH -
Asteroids, Cave, Clocktower

Server #3 - Number 3
8:00 PM GMT - ICE vs DW -
Asteroids, Fallout, Grotto
8:30 PM GMT - -#- vs ICE/DW -
Grotto, Mayhem, Middleground
9:00 PM GMT - APE/RIP/B0T vs Team DLAM/Pros*/101*
Cave, Clocktower, Fallout

Server #4 - Class
8:00 PM GMT - RIP vs B0T
Asteroids, Fallout, Grotto
8:30 PM GMT - APE vs RIP/B0T
Grotto, Mayhem, Middleground
9:00 PM GMT - -#-/ICE/DW vs 2G4U/##/AS
Cave, Clocktower, Fallout


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General Rules:
The lower ranked seed will pick the first map and the higher ranked seed will pick the second.

Substitutions can only occur in between games.

The winning captain has to report the results to me. Screenshots of the post-game screen should be captured after every game and should be submitted to ME by posting them on this thread. Screenshots are NOT required but are suggested just in case any altercations occur.

There is no 3v5 forfeit loss rule! Every team will play with however many members they can get, with a max of 5. The other team may wish to play with the same amount of players but it is not required.

[York]

REGISTERED TEAMS

[1]Team Name: Elite Forces
Tag: Pros*
Captain: Blanco, Zero,
Co-Capts: YorK, Alphaport
Team Members: Buffalosoldier, Gammelonkel, Odyus, Tank, pworthy

[2]Team Name: Die Like A Man
Tag:|DLAM|
Captain: Hurripilot
Team Members: Pieface, Black, Herodadotus, Vesuvius, Triped

[3]Team Name: Role Models
Tag: 2G4U
Captain: Kuja900
Members: Matattack, Onix, Maverick, Maimer, Elixir, Hurripilot, ARAB, Ingbo, Zidane, WCaptainWolfe, Nobodyhome, NastyManatee, Ryebone

[4]Team Name: Do Ut Des
Tag: ##
Captain: EViL ToMATo, MR.1-2
Team Members: TAESO, Nanon, RICK, UNICORN<3, TUPAPITO, HYPE, Rhyn0, GoldenBoy, Doughnut, Mandrad, McDuff.

[5]Team Name: 010*
Tag: N/A
Captain: 321100
Team Members: 321100; 070373; 131141; 20000; 1170; 1337; e^(pi)i, 828838

[6]Team Name: APE
Tag: ~()
Captains: dirtydamape, Apetitude, ApeleSauce
Team Members: Aperham Lincoln, Wraith, Mr. Moooo, krawz, leopluradon, AmokTime, Butt3rF!Y, NuFlash, MintzMache, Cool Wind, Fishibaron

[7]Team Name: B0T cuz lets face it, bots r the best!!!
Tag: |B0T
Captains: B0T 2, FALCON HAWK
Team Members: KrashAT, Pew Pew, Qualimiox, =SpitFire=, Timmy, Fartoteric

[8]Team Name: Inglorious Criminal Ethics
Tag: {ICE}
Captain: Matrinswin
Team Members: Russianator, der legend, (Sparta)XX2, Blackheart, shadow sonic, Cubanwolf, TBAL, f.d.d, DeathRod, fritoz, Anon Ymous

[9]Team Name: #'s
Tag: -#-
Captain: Number 3
Team Members: Bong, DMCM, Mactastic, Bukem, Jayfourke, General, WCaptainWolfe, X-Denied, Tosconi, Esoteric, Black Knight, AvroArrow.

[10]Team Name: Death Weeds
Tag: DW
Captain: Killimanjaro
Team Members: A.Arshavin, Gladiator, eQui, KoMANdoR, low, Luudl, Pax, Scythrop, Shaadow, START, strrrrront, Tote, Qzmi4

[11]Team Name: Ancient Soldiers
Tag: [AS]
Captain: [AS]Andy
Co-Captains:[AS]Stormich, [AS]Curious, [AS]Ingbo, [AS]A Nipple, [AS]Classicallad, [AS]Wuwu, [AS]Mled, [AS]Hartz, [AS]MONXY FIST, [AS]Cloud, [AS]Loli

[12]Clan name: RIP
Captains: Malkin, Demuyt
Members: Corvus Crypt, Yandrak, Hammer81, Deyv, WhalesHaveFeelinsToo, tmic225

[York]

VERY IMPORTANT
I have changed the scheduling of the tournaments. Please read above for more information. If this bothers anyones plans, please let me know. I am sorry for the inconvenience.


HONORABLE NOTICES
Thank you to class, for helping in pre-posted things!
Thank you to Nikon, for making that very nice banner!
Thank you to phong, for launching my servers!

[Pieface]

This should be fun, thanks guys for doing this! About the maps: I don't feel qualified to express an opinion on the TDM maps, but you might reconsider your choices of the 1DM maps at least. Here are my thoughts:

• I'd love to see the old version of clocktower in the tourney instead of the new (official) one. No offense to pig, but though the graphics on the new one are pretty the map as a whole is much more cramped and IMO doesn't play nearly as well as the old version.
• I've found Core to be possibly the worst 1DM map out there. Middleground and Grotto I can live with, but the wide open spaces of core make the strategy part less fun, the spam more likely, and I've found core doesn't lend itself to a 1DM map whatsoever.
• Maybe consider replacing Core with Mayhem? I've personally found mayhem to be one of the most fun maps to play in 1DM and the games are generally pretty good.

Not to bring up a long and heated argument, but could we consider bringing 110/95 scale to this tournament? After just playing a couple refreshing 1DM games with Hurri in both normal and the custom plane scale I've rediscovered how much more strategic the mode becomes with the extra bit of stuff you can see.

Kudos on the "no force forfeit by amount of players" rule, BTW. The nature of 1DM is that it's quite common for a superior team of three or four players to beat an inferior team of five players, so that was definitely a good choice to include.

I'm sure I'll think of stuff later on, but those are my thoughts for now.

[York]

Originally Posted by Pieface

This should be fun, thanks guys for doing this! About the maps: I don't feel qualified to express an opinion on the TDM maps, but you might reconsider your choices of the 1DM maps at least. Here are my thoughts:

• I'd love to see the old version of clocktower in the tourney instead of the new (official) one. No offense to pig, but though the graphics on the new one are pretty the map as a whole is much more cramped and IMO doesn't play nearly as well as the old version.
• I've found Core to be possibly the worst 1DM map out there. Middleground and Grotto I can live with, but the wide open spaces of core make the strategy part less fun, the spam more likely, and I've found core doesn't lend itself to a 1DM map whatsoever.
• Maybe consider replacing Core with Mayhem? I've personally found mayhem to be one of the most fun maps to play in 1DM and the games are generally pretty good.

Not to bring up a long and heated argument, but could we consider bringing 110/95 scale to this tournament? After just playing a couple refreshing 1DM games with Hurri in both normal and the custom plane scale I've rediscovered how much more strategic the mode becomes with the extra bit of stuff you can see.

Kudos on the "no force forfeit by amount of players" rule, BTW. The nature of 1DM is that it's quite common for a superior team of three or four players to beat an inferior team of five players, so that was definitely a good choice to include.

I'm sure I'll think of stuff later on, but those are my thoughts for now.

Wow Pieface, thanks. (for not being rude and just trying to help)

I put clocktower simply because I do not know what the old one is called anymore. 1dm_clocktower_old?

Mayhem in, Core out, easy.

110/95 scale? I think we would have to see what people have to say about it.

[Pieface]

You can download a bunch of the old (nonofficial) 1DM maps including the old clocktower here:
http://nimblygames.com/wiki/index.ph..._Match.29_Maps

The old clocktower map at the moment has a pretty annoying demolition charge in the dead center, but that shouldn't be hard to remove (I could do it if you want).

I understand the reasoning behind keeping official scale on TBD/Ball ladder servers and the like, but almost everyone I know who plays 1DM on a regular basis agrees that 110/95 scale is far superior in this game mode. Anyway, I look forward to hearing people's comments on the matter.

Lastly, what server(s) do you intend to run the tourney on?

[York]

Originally Posted by Pieface

Lastly, what server(s) do you intend to run the tourney on?

The question I hate to hear.

The SkyLeague servers. I have yet to talk to CCN or TPain about it but I doubt they will ahve a problem with me using them for ONE DAY. Class is close with CCN so it will get done.

[York]

Team Name: Elite Forces
Tag: Pros*
Captain: Blanco, Zero,
Co-Capts: YorK, Alphaport
Team Members: Buffalosoldier, Gammelonkel, Odyus, Tank, pworthy

[CCN]

Originally Posted by York

The question I hate to hear.

The SkyLeague servers. I have yet to talk to CCN or TPain about it but I doubt they will ahve a problem with me using them for ONE DAY. Class is close with CCN so it will get done.

As of about 2 days ago our server host has kindly switched to Phong. He hosts about everything in Altitude, maybe shoot him an email after you get a few teams registered or now and ask him for help, I have no problem with you using Skyleague servers either but shoot me the finalized map list + maps to put in download folder and ill ask Phong if he's willing to put up the new config. Though I think you're first and best bet is to talk to Phong.

Good luck, im defo ging to try and join a DM clan now (If KLF isn't participating)

[York]

Originally Posted by CCN

As of about 2 days ago our server host has kindly switched to Phong. He hosts about everything in Altitude, maybe shoot him an email after you get a few teams registered or now and ask him for help, I have no problem with you using Skyleague servers either but shoot me the finalized map list + maps to put in download folder and ill ask Phong if he's willing to put up the new config. Though I think you're first and best bet is to talk to Phong.

Good luck, im defo ging to try and join a DM clan now (If KLF isn't participating)

Hmmm, Phong ay. I will have a COMPLETE map pool for you within the next couple of days. Do you have phongs email?

[Ajuk999]

York, you can always shoot him a Private Message.

[hurripilot]

Team Name: DLAM (Die Like A Man)
Tag:|DLAM|
Captain: Hurripilot
Team Members:Pieface, Black, Herodadotus, Vesuvius, Triped

Will add moar members in coming weeks. GOGO DM, GOGOGOGOGOGO DLAM

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[Kuja900]

So am I to understand this will be on Saturdays? If fLb doesnt enter (not saying we wont but its doubtful since people, myself included, like to actually do things on Saturdays) I will be willing to play as a pickup member on another team, however I will not be nearly as dependable as I am for APL as like I said I actually do things with my Saturdays. Thats not to say il be a total flake though lol. Also are you sure their will be no conflict with the Sky League in terms of dates?

[as red as black]

i'm willing to be a team scout and say when someone else has an item or where the enemies are

[CCN]

I wonder what time he has planned to not interfere with skyleague, the schedule is currently out so he can see what time the league plays so...

[York]

Originally Posted by Kuja900

I will be willing to play as a pickup member on another team, however I will not be nearly as dependable as I am for APL as like I said I actually do things with my Saturdays.

It is ONE day. And it won't be very long. I am sure you could sacrifice 2-3 hours for 1/52 saturdays this year.

Originally Posted by as red as black

i'm willing to be a team scout and say when someone else has an item or where the enemies are

That's just stupid.

Originally Posted by CCN

I wonder what time he has planned to not interfere with skyleague, the schedule is currently out so he can see what time the league plays so...

I have your schedule, I will base it off you.

[Triped]

Originally Posted by hurripilot

team name: Dlam (die like a man)
tag:|dlam|
captain: Hurripilot
team membersieface, black, herodadotus, vesuvius, triped

will add moar members in coming weeks. Gogo dm, gogogogogogo dlam

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woooooooooooo

[Rep]

Team Name: AS (Aero Stealth)
Tag: ( ')>
Captains: Rep_tar, drdude
Team Members:To be announced once tryouts are completed

[Mr.OneTwo]

Team Name: Do Ut Des
Tag: ##
Captain:EViL ToMATo, MR.1-2 (<---This last one follows the leagues organization.)
Team Members: TAESO, Nanon, RICK, UNICORN<3, TUPAPITO, HYPE, Rhyn0, GoldenBoy, Doughnut, Mandrad, McDuff.

[sHut eM DoWN]

sign me up buddy

username : |2on-E

hopefully i get put ona good team

[York]

Originally Posted by sHut eM DoWN

sign me up buddy

username : |2on-E

hopefully i get put ona good team

well that depends on who signs up for the Pick Up Team. i dont put you on an official clan

[ufo]

Originally Posted by York

Me (york)

Thanks for clarifying

Originally Posted by York

Each game will be timed

Don't kno how I feel about this; ball timer caused some issues and playing against a team of all Mirandas might b kinda ridiculous. I don't even want the possibility of going into flee mode at the end of a game because it would feel lame; however, this is certainly an important element of DM.
That said, I feel like this should be elaborated on by significant number of those involved before it is decided that a timer should be implemented.

Team Name: 010*
Tag: N/A
Captain: 321100
Team Members: 321100; 070373; 131141; 828838; 20000; 1170; 1337; e^(pi)i

Roster updates will be ongoing.


O and york:
GJ on tryina take the forfeit loss from L*, if only alti was a gentleman's game.
GL bein' a pro with Pro*

[York]

Originally Posted by ufo

Don't kno how I feel about this; ball timer caused some issues and playing against a team of all Mirandas might b kinda ridiculous. I don't even want the possibility of going into flee mode at the end of a game because it would feel lame; however, this is certainly an important element of DM.
That said, I feel like this should be elaborated on by significant number of those involved before it is decided that a timer should be implemented.

Team Name: 010*
Tag: N/A
Captain: 321100
Team Members: 321100; 070373; 131141; 20000; 1170; 1337; e^(pi)i

O and york:
GJ on tryina take the forfeit loss from L*, if only alti was a gentleman's game.
GL bein' a pro with Pro*

Timer is really necessary I think. 7:00 in TDM and 3:00 per round in 1DM seems really good. If you guys really want to have it changed, please, let me know. I have completely changed my attitude, I actually listen to criticism now!

AND UFO, I was joking around with L*. Everyone just took it the wrong god damn way.

Is your clan really just all numbers?

[Pieface]

Speaking of numbers, can we get some discussion going on the use of 110/95 scale for the tourney? I have yet to hear from anyone who regularly plays 1DM and thinks the official scale is better for this game mode.

[York]

Originally Posted by Pieface

Speaking of numbers, can we get some discussion going on the use of 100/95 scale for the tourney? I have yet to hear from anyone who regularly plays 1DM and thinks the official scale is better for this game mode.

I really don't understand what that means. Is this making the MAP bigger or the PLANES smaller? Plane's need to stay the same size!

100/95? Does that mean the map is 100 and planes are 95? Or what?

IMO- Planes should be 100 and map should be 110, if anything!

[Pieface]

110/95 would mean that the map scale would be set to 110 and the plane size would be set to 95. There's been a lot of discussion on this topic for TBD games, but I find 1DM to be an extremely different game mode than TBD and for this reason it might be worth revisiting.

What makes the 1DM mode so great is that almost every round's result is directly based off of individual player skill, careful tactics, and positional strategy. Raising the map scale slightly so that more area is visible removes much of the deaths related to offscreen spam, and allows planes to better adapt to their surroundings while at the same time getting a general sense for where other people are located.

TBH, the plane scale change isn't very significant. The camera scale is the main point to discuss here, I've just found from experience that slightly reducing the plane scale as well leads to more interesting games.

[York]

@pie

well that sounds great. But remember, increasing map by 10 and decresing plane by 5 is hte same as decresing plane by 15. imagine what a 100/84 would look like lol

[Shiro]

How many people can we sign up?

[Pieface]

Originally Posted by York

well that sounds great. But remember, increasing map by 10 and decresing plane by 5 is hte same as decresing plane by 15. imagine what a 100/84 would look like lol

Honestly, I'm beginning to doubt that you've played much 1DM. Until recently when the servers were taken down almost all competitive games took place on New England Deathmatch, where that was the default scale. Everyone I played with regularly for the several months that I played 1DM exclusively agreed that the NE scale seemed better for the game mode (Note that we extensively tested playing at both official 100/100 scale and at 110/95).

If you have an argument against the size change besides that the numbers look strange feel free to voice your opinions.

[York]

Originally Posted by Shiro

How many people can we sign up?

A clan can use as many people as they want. There is no ROSTER LIMIT. But only 5 can play at a time.

[nobodyhome]

Originally Posted by York

@pie

well that sounds great. But remember, increasing map by 10 and decresing plane by 5 is hte same as decresing plane by 15. imagine what a 100/84 would look like lol

If you're worried about the planes looking too small on your screen, it's actually not bad at all. I and many other people have played dm on 110/95 on the New England DM servers and your plane looks fine, and it feels a lot better.

As a clarification, 110/95 isn't the same as 100/85 because you get to see more of the map.

A concern with doing 110/95 is that some players with certain types of computers will have some graphical problems, though.

[York]

Originally Posted by Pieface

Honestly, I'm beginning to doubt that you've played much 1DM. Until recently when the servers were taken down almost all competitive games took place on New England Deathmatch, where that was the default scale. Everyone I played with regularly for the several months that I played 1DM exclusively agreed that the NE scale seemed better for the game mode (Note that we extensively tested playing at both official 100/100 scale and at 110/95).

If you have an argument against the size change besides that the numbers look strange feel free to voice your opinions.

1DM is my favorite game mode actually. I just never payed attention to game scales.

[York]

Originally Posted by nobodyhome

If you're worried about the planes looking too small on your screen, it's actually not bad at all. I and many other people have played dm on 110/95 on the New England DM servers and your plane looks fine, and it feels a lot better.

As a clarification, 110/95 isn't the same as 100/85 because you get to see more of the map.

A concern with doing 110/95 is that some players with certain types of computers will have some graphical problems, though.

Thanks nobo. How bad will there graphical problems be?

[nobodyhome]

Originally Posted by York

A clan can use as many people as they want. There is no ROSTER LIMIT. But only 5 can play at a time.

I would like to recommend that you do instate a roster limit. If competitive tdm/1dm does last beyond your tournament (and I would think you want it to), a lot of players might start gravitating toward the stand-out good clans. This is why roster limits were instated for APL, so that the good talent gets distributed amongst several good clans rather than have one clan monopolizing it all.

[Pieface]

Originally Posted by York

Thanks nobo. How bad will there graphical problems be?

Most people never notice any difference. A couple people out of the hundreds who have played on these servers have noticed slight distortions with movement (I've heard Karl can't stand it, but maybe he has better vision than most).

[nobodyhome]

There's some discussion on it here in the third page of the ladder thread:

http://altitudegame.com/forums/showt...?t=2469&page=3

A few people mentioned having problems, but I would venture to say that these people likely won't be playing in a tdm tournament, as historically, tdm was most often played in New England servers, where the scale was 110/95.

[York]

Originally Posted by nobodyhome

There's some discussion on it here in the third page of the ladder thread:

http://altitudegame.com/forums/showt...?t=2469&page=3

A few people mentioned having problems, but I would venture to say that these people likely won't be playing in a tdm tournament, as historically, tdm was most often played in New England servers, where the scale was 110/95.

Yea we are doing 110/95 for it. I was playing it before, and I like it.

[Greekjr14]

Team Name: APE
Tag: ~()
Captains: dirtydamape, Apetitude, ApeleSauce
Team Members: Aperham Lincoln, Wraith, Mr. Moooo, krawz, leopluradon, AmokTime, Butt3rF!Y, NuFlash, MintzMache, Cool Wind, Fishibaron, R-Ap-E

P.S. I think it would be best to have the first matches on May 1 and then do the semi-finals and finals the week after. It just seems that it would make it easier on everyone.

Edit: new member to roster

[ufo]

yes york..my o my, what a wonderful day

[B0T 2]

yO yO yO yOrk
we'd like to sign up plz, but -
as agreed with york, we can drop ourselves out before the tourney actually starts, if we see that there is no compliance of our members for it.

Team Name: B0T cuz lets face it, bots r the best!!!
Tag: |B0T
Captains: B0T 2, FALCON HAWK|B0T 1
Team Members:
KrashAT|B0T
Pew Pew|B0T 3
Qualimiox|B0T
=SpitFire=|B0T 4
Timmy|B0T
Fartoteric|B0T

also, we support pieface's ideas:
- old clock tower is a good idea,
- i support those scales: camerascale=110 and planescale=90 (and not 95)
but any reasonable scale u choose is fine by us!

good luck and have fun!