League servers banning team members?

[CCN]

Originally Posted by Kuja900

I feel I should probably say this now. Do not troll the Proleague servers. I dont care if your match is an hour away if your disturbing an in progress game you will receive a temp or if serious enough perma ban. Saturday night just 15hrs away from games someone who I will not name who was playing under a smurf tried to flame the people in Altitude Proleague 2 and mocked my warnings, he received a 5day ban and was unable to play with his team the next day. You will be warned perhaps even given a countdown to desist what your doing however we are not going to be lenient with this.

I would of thought the secondary function of league servers is to have scrims outside of league play, but when a player is banned from playing in the server the server stops being a good host the the league.

I don't like this situation, and think it really negatively affects the league.
it's a quick and easy way to piss off teams.

In short
League players banned from playing league games due to non league rules due to banned from a server = wtf.

Given this situation of Pl1 and PL2 as and when they become unfit to host the league games (such as the situation above).
I want to know if this sort of thing will continue on these servers, to see if it may be a good thing for some teams to band together and sponsor another server for league play in such emergency situations.

E.g. While I am the first person to vote kick Hitler when he joins any server i'm on, I would still like to play HM's A-team if they joined the league.

[hurripilot]

Proleague trolling is a serious problem. While I agree that it's nice to be able to actually play a team instead of sitting around while their players don;t show / are banned, I think it's even worse to spend half an hour waiting for 10 trolls to leave get banned so everyone can get on teams and tourney mode can start. It's also unfair to the teams playing the current match to have to deal with **** from teams who've already played or haven't played yet.

Long story short, I agree w/Kuja that these morons should get bans if they don't listen to warnings, but I think it's a bit harsh to ban them so far that they can't participate w/ their team, like CCN says.

It's not fair to the teams currently playing to allow trolls to disrupt a game, but it's also not fair to penalize the other members of the teams that the trolls belong to. That one player trolling could be the saving grace of one of the less-organized clans in the league.

[CCN]

I agree with you hurri (and your ability to express it better then me :O), there is a middleground to be had.
The guy may of deserved a 5 day ban, but I think unbanning him for the 1/2 hour to play his match is a good compromise (but if he warrants a ban during his league match then yeah he warrants it)

[tyr]

We discussed with Kuja sunday about it and he agreed not to ban people for longer than one day, unless he exactly knows who that is, and if the guy deserves it.
I personally don't ban people often so ..

[Beagle]

If you're not clear-minded enough to recruit properly, you deserve the 'penalty to your team' when your immature player gets his ass banned for being a moron.

Kuja, please don't get touchy feely about this if some people think that you shouldn't ban people for being dickheads - just because they're dickheads who want to play in the league. That should just be more reason to ban them - if you've got a team that you're representing, that's even more reason to display a good image. If anyone from my team was banned from the Proleague servers, I'd investigate it, and if they were indeed rightly banned for being a twat I'd kick them from my team immediately.

Take this as a service to your team - its weeding out the idiots.

[eth]

What Beagle said, jesus. Just because some retard is on a team doesnt mean he can act in whatever way he damn pleases. I guess the exception here is KLF, but unfortunately that doesnt go on progleague servers. TOO BAD.

[CCN]

Originally Posted by eth

What Beagle said, jesus. Just because some retard is on a team doesnt mean he can act in whatever way he damn pleases. I guess the exception here is KLF, but unfortunately that doesnt go on progleague servers. TOO BAD.

Your ad hominem attack makes you look like a child. I'd reccomend not doing it in future.

The point of the matter is, and what was brought up i my original post, that I/we would like to know if we can trust the proleague servers to host the tournament. If not we can try and get a backup.

It's not about some retard acting how some retard is acting, if he's in the tourney he should be able to compete. As the rest of my post stated, if he's banned let him be banned before and after his match.

I would like you to do more then skim my OP before replying next time please.

[Stormich]

This is not an Nimbly games ran tourney, it's being ran by a couple of players that are willing to give their free time to the community, the servers are also private. Doing things that are moronic should not be allowed no matter the player. If you abuse league play you get the penalty the admins of the league deem necessary.

Simply put, listen to your common sense and there should be no problems.

[eth]

No, he shouldn't. If one of your team members comes in and disrupts matches in progress, a ban is fair. Other more mature players should _NOT_ be forced to put up with retards wasting their time for whatever reason. How can you even argue this?

It wasnt even an attack, youre simply one of the clans this is concerning(and Im guessing why you made this thread) as you have players actually doing this.

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by CCN

It's not about some retard acting how some retard is acting, if he's in the tourney he should be able to compete. As the rest of my post stated, if he's banned let him be banned before and after his match

What the hell is the point of a ban on the proleague server if you're going to waive the ban for the times where the ban would actually be a problem? It seems this thread has been created to complain that a ban is an inconvenience if you want to play on the server you were banned from.

Well... duh?



Hey, here's Bob. We caught Bob trying to coax little children into his car yesterday, so we're banning him from this elementary school. BUT BOB WANTS TO BE A TEACHER HERE SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST WAIVE THE BAN FOR WHEN HE'S WORKING LOL

[CCN]

Heres
MH_Beagle, got banned from server x.

Now she can't compete in league Y. Being banned unrelatedly has cost her two things.
And probably her team.

How about, MH_Beagle stays banned from server X, except for the 1/2 hour a week she is playing on league Y. Then she is punished for her crime and not shot up in double jepordy.

Or how about, League Y uses servers X and servers XY10gamma then that is a solution too.

If however MH_Beagle behaves badly during league Y and gets banned during that time then there is no exception.

[nobodyhome]

No. If a player is interfering with the tournament or a scrimm to practice in the tournament then they should not be allowed to play in the tournament. If their team is negatively affected by such a player then maybe that team should expel said player.

If a basketball player gets caught in a brawl with the audience, other players, or the coaches then usually they get suspended from playing by the league's organizing body. Same here.

[Esoteric]

I don't see a problem with something like a 5-day ban, even if it affects the abuser's team. A huge part of the value of these servers is that people can't be complete jackasses on them so games can actually be played. Without these rules in place the servers cease to be useful to everybody.

That said, multiple day bans should only take place only after the abusers has clearly and concisely been told to stop their disruptive activity and given 5-10 seconds to do so. Persisting after that means that they either are being intensionally disruptive, in which case a long ban is well suited, or completely oblivious, in which case a long ban may be necessary to prevent further activities.

In short, the server's utility shouldn't suffer for the sake of one player or one team.

Good manner or goodbye.

[evilarsenal]

Rules will be made once the actual season starts
I'm working on them in class as we speak

[mikesol]

I definitely see where both sides are coming from but I think it should be noted what actually gets people banned and what doesn't. From what I've seen banning has occurred when players:

* Are being complete idiots like Hitler (cussing, anti-semitism, racism, etc)
* Are not listening when asked to spectate (if a tourny or a scrim is taking place)
* Joining when a tournament is taking place and hopping in before tourny mode can be enabled.
* Spamming the chat (makes it so we can't play or see)
* Vote calling to change map or other things (it's just dumb when a match is half over and tbd_hills pops up as a vote) - although a single vote call shouldn't be a ban - only repetitive vote calls.

All of those things seem reasonable to be banned for. If players are generally that incompetent that they can't follow those basic rules I see no point in allowing them to be in the tournament. Many of us (not trying to say that in a way implying you don't cause I'm sure you do) have real life time commitments we have to be at and do. When players are causing the games to be delayed by just being stupid it's frustrating to me and everyone else in the game.

Now if there are some other bannings that have occurred for unreasonable reasons I could see why that would be annoying or frustrating and those should be addressed.

With all of that being said, it sounds like some bannings are taking place outside of the tournament times. Admittedly I don't think it's that hard to not break any of the rules I said above, but perhaps a better solution would be that people receive a ban but are unbanned when tournaments start, unless they have received bans in the past. As in, you get a second chance and if you screw up again, you're just gone and your team has to find someone else.

Kuja and the other mods seem pretty reasonable and I'm sure they'd unban someone if it's just a minor thing. However, if the player really is just a complete idiot (i.e. Hitler) I don't see any reason why he should be allowed to compete if he can't control himself.

[nobodyhome]

i really don't see what the big deal is or why people have to be given a second chance. how hard is it not to be an idiot?

[Kuja900]

I just want to clarify a tasteful amount of **** talking may even be encouraged, however don't get excessive, degrade to spam, ect ect use common sense. This is not a debate if your acting like cunt you will be dealt with appropriately. More than adequate warning will always be given and if someone should decide to persist after that then they invite whatever ban length I see fit. This really isn't that tight of a leash at all have fun, be rowdy and have a good time just don't be disruptive towards whatever match is in progress.

-One thing Mikesol left out in his list of bannable offenses is people who talk in spectator chat while a game is in progress, be respectable and use team chat please.

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by CCN

Heres
MH_Beagle, got banned from server x.

Now she can't compete in league Y. Being banned unrelatedly has cost her two things.
And probably her team.

How about, MH_Beagle stays banned from server X, except for the 1/2 hour a week she is playing on league Y. Then she is punished for her crime and not shot up in double jepordy.

Or how about, League Y uses servers X and servers XY10gamma then that is a solution too.

If however MH_Beagle behaves badly during league Y and gets banned during that time then there is no exception.

I think I see where we disagree.

You seem to think that being banned on the league servers is not the same thing as being banned from the league servers.

Unfortunately, it is.

It doesn't matter that you weren't banned during your OWN league match. The point of being banned is to be banned. Unbanning you for the one time where you need to use the server is retarded.

We understand we're banning people from playing in the league at the same time as just banning them from the league server. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. THATS THE WHOLE POINT.

[combat]

Originally Posted by Beagle

I think I see where we disagree.

You seem to think that being banned on the league servers is not the same thing as being banned from the league servers.

Unfortunately, it is.

It doesn't matter that you weren't banned during your OWN league match. The point of being banned is to be banned. Unbanning you for the one time where you need to use the server is retarded.

We understand we're banning people from playing in the league at the same time as just banning them from the league server. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. THATS THE WHOLE POINT.

Yes, otherwise the "ban" wouldn't really have any affect on the player... If someone got banned for trolled the Proleague server while another match was going on, it's stupid to say GTFO, ban then. And then let then back in "WHEN THEY NEED TO??"

That's like banning someone from public restrooms, then letting go whenever they need to! You aren't going to go to the restrooms anyway, unless you have to!!

CCN, you're removing the "ban" part of the ban.

[iPlane]

I have administered servers during scrims and matches for FPS games. A few of the things we did that may be helpful here are:

Designated an admin that was not on one of the teams/clans in the match to admin/ref the match.

Set a new password for the server for that match that was given only to the teams playing. This does mean if you're not on one of the teams/clans participating you can't spectate. It also means that the public can't get in to cause trouble.

Disabled all voting during scrims/matches. Only the admin was able to change maps etc...

If a player abused chat, the admin warned once, then muted them if they repeated. Spectators were warned once then kicked/banned for repeat offenses.

If a player/spectator was acting in some other manner that could result in a kick/ban they were warned once then kicked/banned on a repeat offense.

I have not played with the rcon server admin tools for Altitude very much, so I don't know if all of those options are viable for altitude.

Some questions are...

Does the /muteplayer command allow an admin to mute a player for everyone or is that just the command line for the player to mute another player just for them?

When you ban someone you give a time period in minutes. Why not ban for something like 120 minutes on the first offense, 180 on the second or some other increasing scale with a set # of times before a permaban?

Anyway, I hope some of this is useful. Happy Gaming.

[CCN]

Originally Posted by Beagle

I think I see where we disagree.

You seem to think that being banned on the league servers is not the same thing as being banned from the league . League currently does not limit games to certain servers

Unfortunately, it is.

It doesn't matter that you weren't banned during your OWN league match. The point of being banned is to be banned. Unbanning you for the one time where you need to use the server is retarded.

We understand we're banning people from playing in the league at the same time as just banning them from the league server. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. THATS THE WHOLE POINT.

FYP
fddsfds

[-MH-CaptainVogez]

Originally Posted by CCN

Heres
MH_Beagle, got banned from server x.

Now she can't compete in league Y. Being banned unrelatedly has cost her two things.
And probably her team.

How about, MH_Beagle stays banned from server X, except for the 1/2 hour a week she is playing on league Y. Then she is punished for her crime and not shot up in double jepordy.

Or how about, League Y uses servers X and servers XY10gamma then that is a solution too.

If however MH_Beagle behaves badly during league Y and gets banned during that time then there is no exception.

you're a bad girl beagle haha


I think that a ban's a ban and is put in for a good reason - if logs of chats etc can be taken, then possibly there could be an appeal/review session much like a tribunal to free the player up for the tourney?

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by CCN

FYP
fddsfds

Well, no, you didn't fix my post. I wrote it as I intended it.

Maybe you should re-read it.

[CCN]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Well, no, you didn't fix my post. I wrote it as I intended it.

Maybe you should re-read it.

ah then you just misunderstand me,

thus it is
Fixed your misunderstanding of my statement.

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by CCN

ah then you just misunderstand me,

thus it is
Fixed your misunderstanding of my statement.

I don't understand your misunderstanding of my misunderstanding of you


this is all very arbitrary, lets just agree that a ban is a ban and be friends

[NomNom]

If you were banned, you were being idiot and therefore deserved to be banned. It doesn't matter whether you were banned during a friendly game or during league play, you don't deserve to play on the server either way. Pay for your stupidity and learn your lesson so it won't happen again.

[CCN]

Originally Posted by Beagle

I don't understand your misunderstanding of my misunderstanding of you


this is all very arbitrary, lets just agree that a ban is a ban and be friends

lets just be friends <3.

:P
I'm pretty done with this thread tbh, thanks for all the input guys.

[Evan20000]

Originally Posted by Beagle

I don't understand your misunderstanding of my misunderstanding of you


this is all very arbitrary, lets just agree that a ban is a ban and be friends

I think this is a good idea.

If people weren't acting like douchebags, this would never have come up.