Stop kicking random noobs

Stormich · #1 12-06-2009, 12:57 PM

I just read on the steam forums that some people have been kicked cause they were noobs, at least warn them if they're bomb camping/wasting if they persist I don't mind kicks, just don't make it any harder for them than necessary.
I don't know what actually happened but abusing kicks is mostly retarded. To help them anyone I see kicking stupidly like this gets a ban on PL servers.

Play nice.

GoldenBoy · #2 12-06-2009, 01:02 PM

Yeah I hate kicks too

.Some of them just kick with no reason.
Like you said just play

Carbon · #3 12-06-2009, 03:55 PM

good luck convincing the pre-steam community to not kick people or complain about new players, its gonna take a lot.

These new players will get better, just let them know whats up instead of kicking them or screaming at them. Its refreshing to see a dozen servers completely full at all times, so help these guys out and they'll get better.

Pieface · #4 12-06-2009, 04:01 PM

I agree with everything that has been said, we should all do our best to make the new players feel welcome and include them in our now thriving community. Pointing out to them what they could be doing better is always the first thing to do, and I've found that many of them actually appreciate the advice from more experienced players.

If you simply can't deal with having a few beginners on your team, there are servers out there such as Captain's Games and all the New England servers whose missions are specifically to cater to vets and the more competitive side of Altitude.

Stormich · #5 12-06-2009, 04:07 PM

I agree with kicking if they don't listen to basic advice, but kicking for no reason is wrong. I don't mind them being bad just as long as they don't be really disruptive to the game being played. Also could the devs put something like don't bomb camp and waste bombs in tips i think that would help them start off with a good foundation.

Evan20000 · #6 12-06-2009, 04:13 PM

Honestly, while it's REALLY annoying when you are waiting for backup that never comes because they're bomb camping, I can't begrudge them for being new. A lot of the nubbier level 60s think they're pro and can kick them without cause if they want as well. (I'm looking at you OB)

This is a game of patience. If we nurture these bright young things, then they'll eventually grow into respected members of the community.

CCN · #7 12-06-2009, 04:22 PM

I think maybe i'll stop calling them steam noobs, though my vote kicks have been sparce I guess noob isn't helpful. I guess I was taking a lead from my own entry into the game :O, but I think thats wrong. Maybe we can change the elitist attitude out here, but lets be honest playing in a full old school game with 1 new noob when you have say Loli trying to get in, what would you do? There are some things we can change but there are some that are more reasonable. Reason field?

I am not sure how much they learn playing in a server with constant one shots though :S

And Lamster called you guys elitist somethings XD it twas funny on the steam forums. He also said you tend to stick together on privately run servers and to not go there, i giggled.

GGQ · #8 12-06-2009, 04:36 PM

Well, Lamster didn't call people like Storm elitist, he called people like you elitist. I mean seriously:

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lets be honest playing in a full old school game with 1 new noob when you have say Loli trying to get in, what would you do?

You kick a noob out of a random pub game just because someone you like better wants to come in? That's a pile of crap, and exactly what this thread is about not doing.

Be patient, be helpful, be nice.

CCN · #9 12-06-2009, 04:54 PM

well I guess if thats how peeps feel I won't do that. To be fair i've only vote kicked steam peeps twice, one really deserved it.

eth · #10 12-06-2009, 05:03 PM

The fact that you don't even see it yourself is the most retarded thing. Until a few days ago this game had about 20 people online at any give time, now it's 150-200. With your attitude, we'll soon be back to 20. Let the newbs play in whatever manner they god damn please, it's not like every pub match is a league game.

OR IS IT

CCN · #11 12-06-2009, 05:11 PM

relax.... heaping insults isn't helping. I've repented already.

Flyngbanana · #12 12-06-2009, 05:12 PM

I'd never kick a random newbie to the game. Others please don't either until you've explained to them at least twice why wasting the bomb is wrong.

bolderz · #13 12-06-2009, 07:09 PM

Hey, I'm a Steam newbie but I already did my training and play fair. I wouldn't worry about kicking, it's not as if steam games are any nicer towards noobs

You'll see me stalling, bouncing around and crashing on the floor in a game soon feel free to kick, taunt and generally own me, but remember one day I might hand that humble pie back to you on a platter.

Yours
Steam noob.

STACK · #14 12-06-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bolderz

Hey, I'm a Steam newbie

Welcome, steamer

Fellow grumpy old players, don't forget that this game is meant to be fun. People need to waste the bomb a few times to learn how to use it. If you want to play exclusively with other experienced players just join on of the proleague servers. If someone is deliberately being rude boot em but let the new players settle in a little. We all know that bomb camping is extremely attractive to new players for some odd reason, and they do not realize how detrimental such actions can be to their team. Talk with them, let them know that they should allow a more experienced player to grab the bomb, and escort them to the base. Let them know they can practice lobbing bombs on vacant servers or on single player. Advise them that you should never drop a team bomb unless it is on a base. Before you know it, new competition will be popping up all over the place. The biggest thing we can do right now is also try to get new players onto the forums so they can access this wealth of information and get involved with the community. Imagine the next tournament O_O

Kuja900 · #15 12-06-2009, 07:43 PM

Its definitely a good idea to steer the steam crowd onto these forums to get them some education/introduce themselves to the community.

CCN · #16 12-06-2009, 07:44 PM

Man Stack, I wish proleague was non bouncy.
I WISH TO HIGH HEAVEN

Pieface · #17 12-06-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuja900

Its definitely a good idea to steer the steam crowd onto these forums to get them some education/introduce themselves to the community.

Agreed. I went ahead and posted something on the Steam forums directing them over here, but if anyone sees some new players in-game telling them about the forum would be a good idea.

Edit: Proleague's still bouncy? That's going to be bad for the finals what with the inability of explodets to get easy kills.

Kuja900 · #18 12-06-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pieface

Agreed. I went ahead and posted something on the Steam forums directing them over here, but if anyone sees some new players in-game telling them about the forum would be a good idea.

Edit: Proleague's still bouncy? That's going to be bad for the finals what with the inability for explodets to get easy kills.

Proleague will be fixed before finals

lamster · #19 12-06-2009, 07:48 PM

Not adding anything new here, but here are my thoughts:

I totally understand the impulse to be elitist, and yes we have plenty of them in this community, and for the most part I appreciate their dedication to Altitude -- I just ask that they please be nice to new players. Instead of initiating a kick, suggest polite advice ("you can pass the ball by pressing S", or "please help us secure the middle instead of circling the bomb spawn"). We were all new once, nobody likes being yelled at, and whether you continue to enjoy Altitude in the future depends very strongly on how many new players see the potential for fun down the line. A big part of whether these guys eventually become longtime Altitude players depends on whether they receive encouragement or vitriol in their first few games.

classicallad · #20 12-06-2009, 10:47 PM

definately. +1 to Lamstar. I already have my scouting eye over fresh talent

CDRdude · #21 12-09-2009, 05:56 AM

I also wish people would stop kicking people for having high ping. In the no max ping server.

NomNom · #22 12-09-2009, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CDRdude

I also wish people would stop kicking people for having high ping. In the no max ping server.

I also wish people would stop filling up the no max ping server lol

-MH-CaptainVogez · #23 12-09-2009, 07:20 AM

Lamster you put it perfectly.
Is it possible in the next update, to have a popup message that comes up when the game starts that alerts the players to the forums and basic game rules (such as no kicking new people, and a note saying that the community has had several complaints and to make it more friencly??)

cannibal · #24 12-09-2009, 08:49 AM

Steam newbie here. Anytime I start into a new game I always like to visit the forums. If there's a good community there are always helpful threads about tips, strategies, and general advice.

Naturally I found this site because I wanted to. But maybe on the initial logon screen where all the options are, or somewhere like that, there could be a link to these forums? That way for other newbs who may not initially think to even search out the forums it'll be pointed right out to them.

If that already exists, well sorry, I'm a newb what can I say. And I look forward to setting you up the bomb.

nesnl · #25 12-09-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cannibal

Steam newbie here. Anytime I start into a new game I always like to visit the forums. If there's a good community there are always helpful threads about tips, strategies, and general advice.

Naturally I found this site because I wanted to. But maybe on the initial logon screen where all the options are, or somewhere like that, there could be a link to these forums? That way for other newbs who may not initially think to even search out the forums it'll be pointed right out to them.

If that already exists, well sorry, I'm a newb what can I say. And I look forward to setting you up the bomb.

When you first log into the game there is a window that shows all the current news, which is commonly links to all the last game patches. On the bottom of that window there is a link to the forums.

Maverick · #26 12-11-2009, 11:23 AM

i just now played a game with a few "steam noobs", all of which were pretty cool. one of them completely failed on a bomb drop when i escorted him in untouched but then ppl explained how to do it and he bombed their base twice with me escorting him. it was cool to help him get better in just one game.

oh and also a lot of them admit they arent any good at all and are really down on themselves already so they dont need anyone saying any **** to them. instead we should help them get better.

uberknarf · #27 12-12-2009, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick

i just now played a game with a few "steam noobs", all of which were pretty cool. one of them completely failed on a bomb drop when i escorted him in untouched but then ppl explained how to do it and he bombed their base twice with me escorting him. it was cool to help him get better in just one game.

oh and also a lot of them admit they arent any good at all and are really down on themselves already so they dont need anyone saying any **** to them. instead we should help them get better.

Amen, brother. I think that if all vets adopted this attitude, this influx of players would get better far more quickly, and everyone would end up happier. It's a matter of patience, right now, and willingness to lend a hand rather than a needless harsh word.

arty · #28 12-14-2009, 09:42 AM

im no longer a noob ( i got here 2 months before steam) but i still suck at the bombing thing.

I mostly play ball and due to encouragement continued to play this wonderful game. Due to good advice i am a solid ball player.
If we keep this drug of a game sweet we get to play it for a long time.

Loli.ta · #29 12-14-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CCN

...lets be honest playing in a full old school game with 1 new noob when you have say Loli trying to get in, what would you do?

Just to clarify, since when am I good?

About kicking Snoobs, sometimes people just have to learn. I remember getting kicked all the time, just because I couldn't exactly bomb the best when I actually got it. I guess we should be "to an extent" courteous to other new players, since they started. But in contrast to players who have played their share of the game, and still do rather lame tasks like bomb camping (or randomly start spamming that you are a bomb camper for only picking up the bomb from a dead team-mate) should be [s]banished[s] warned then resort to votekick procedures.

Tank · #30 12-15-2009, 12:50 AM

when i started playing (only 2-3 months ago) i was like, mega noob. it took me hours to figure out how to talk (lol). I didnt have any problems with being kicked. You just have to let the experienced guys do what they want, and if you dont like it, too bad. Once you get better and become more respected, you wont be kicked. try joining a well liked clan, and make some friends. they can help keep ypu on a server if someone tries to kick you

Evan20000 · #31 12-15-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Loli.ta

Just to clarify, since when am I good?

Probably since you joined ACE.

Also, a lot of the steamers are better. Most of them have surpassed the people we as a community considered noobs before the steam launch.

hurripilot · #32 12-15-2009, 02:15 AM

Yah, I would never kick someone just because one of my friends wants in. That in my book is a violation of kicks and reason enough for you yourself to be kicked. When someone PMs me in-game and says "I need in", I automatically look for afk-ers and campers, and even then I always ask if the afk ppl are coming back soon or if the campers would kindly stop camping and start supporting their team.

Camping is a big nub problem because most people aren't tacticians. They don't think about things like map control and offensive/defensive support. They also don't think about which plane they are flying and what its role is within the team. They see the bomb, realize it's the only thing that can damage the bais (and therefore the only DIRECT way to win), and they circle it so they can pick it up quickly and take a shot at the enemy bais. Just let nubs know that their plane has other purposes and that other team-based activities are just as important as bomb-carrying.

uberknarf · #33 12-15-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hurripilot

Yah, I would never kick someone just because one of my friends wants in. That in my book is a violation of kicks and reason enough for you yourself to be kicked. When someone PMs me in-game and says "I need in", I automatically look for afk-ers and campers, and even then I always ask if the afk ppl are coming back soon or if the campers would kindly stop camping and start supporting their team.

Camping is a big nub problem because most people aren't tacticians. They don't think about things like map control and offensive/defensive support. They also don't think about which plane they are flying and what its role is within the team. They see the bomb, realize it's the only thing that can damage the bais (and therefore the only DIRECT way to win), and they circle it so they can pick it up quickly and take a shot at the enemy bais. Just let nubs know that their plane has other purposes and that other team-based activities are just as important as bomb-carrying.

That, sir, is a nicely cut jib you have, of which I am a fan.

<no homo>

ZidaneTribal · #34 12-15-2009, 09:35 PM

what if i give them advice and they turn into a little bitch

Evan20000 · #35 12-15-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ZidaneTribal

what if i give them advice and they turn into a little bitch

Like that one kid the other day? Yeah, kicking is acceptable then.

Wintegral · #36 12-16-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ZidaneTribal

what if i give them advice and they turn into a little bitch

Well, being bitchy is indeed a valid reason to kick someone. But that's separate from gaming skill. Some people are incorrigible but it's always good to try. I'm a Steamer myself but I've made the attempt to get better at the game and I think many others can do the same.

I've seen a few bad apples, like they guys who insist on grabbing the team's bomb every time and running off into the teeth of the opposition again and again when individuals on both teams tell them to stop, but most people are not like that.

So yeah, they're not saying to not kick people who happen to be noobs, but not to kick people because they are noobs.