Ladder Server Suggestion Thread

[proggies]

I'm starting this thread for ladder players to post complaints of people who disrupt ladder games.

There have been many cases of people leaving halfway during matches which tilts the balance of teams.

Here's my first complaint. 2 of my team members [fLb]Stack and Sarah Palin rage quit during a game after getting hit by the bomb once. ACE.tyr was recording that game so i guess he can provide the evidence. Although Sarah came back later, the game was already in shreds and the rest of my team already didn't feel like playing.

I hope the admins can do something about such behaviour to remind the rest of the community that they do exist.

[Sarah Palin]

Give me a break I was joking, I came back 15 seconds later (as tyr's recording will prove) and did my best to defend the base even though we were all pinging over 200.

Something was seriously wrong with the server though - I was seeing ping spikes of over 500 for people who normally dont ping high at all. Most of the people in the server tried to stop the tourney b/c of the server issues and Stack's asshattery, purple voted them down, whatever I took my -25 gg kthx (I'll note that the ladder site is down at the moment which is probably connected to the server issues).

(EDIT: also forgot to mention that the server kicked us (all 10 of us afaik) twice as we tried to changemap to start the game. Dunno if that was related.)

[hurripilot]

Originally Posted by Sarah Palin

asshattery

Asshat

But on a more serious note, 4th and SwineFlu were disrupting games at various intervals throughout the day today.

[tyr]

I stopped the recording as soon as I saw only 3 guys on azure, and deleted it soon after. What proggies said is true though.

[[Y]]

Can we get a statement from eth, maimer, or nobodyhome regarding the crash of the ladder servers AND the website?

I'm still confused as to why they're gone.

[Beagle]

Ragequitting is not disrupting, its ragequitting.

Still, I guess if you want to extend the HoN metaphor even further than PSR and employ 'anti-leaver mechanisms' thats the perogative of the ladder engineers. Maybe we can also include single draft so you can only pick from three random plane setups for the entire match.

I'd suck though, I don't know what item builds are good for Sniplane. Guess I'll just build the ulti staff like a clueless nyubie.

[Sarah Palin]

What proggies said is true though.

And what I said is true too.

If you want to start a s*** list, start it for those people who constantly wreck votes out of spite.

[STACK]

Originally Posted by proggies

I'm starting this thread for ladder players to post complaints of people who disrupt ladder games.

There have been many cases of people leaving halfway during matches which tilts the balance of teams.

Here's my first complaint. 2 of my team members [fLb]Stack and Sarah Palin rage quit during a game after getting hit by the bomb once. ACE.tyr was recording that game so i guess he can provide the evidence. Although Sarah came back later, the game was already in shreds and the rest of my team already didn't feel like playing.

I hope the admins can do something about such behaviour to remind the rest of the community that they do exist.

Ladder police! That was the second bomb, about a minute into the round. The pings were out of control and we had all been dropped twice. Besides, the servers crashed shortly there-after. This is an issue with the game, not the players. Stuff happens, people have to leave. It is unfortunate that it currently affects everyone, however I am sure it will be changed soon.

[proggies]

Originally Posted by STACK

Ladder police! That was the second bomb, about a minute into the round. The pings were out of control and we had all been dropped twice. Besides, the servers crashed shortly there-after. This is an issue with the game, not the players. Stuff happens, people have to leave. It is unfortunate that it currently affects everyone, however I am sure it will be changed soon.

I hope the situation will be changed too.. I agree that sometimes ppl leave because of connection issues which is unfortunate.. But for those that leave because they have class or dinner or whatever appointments, they should be banned or punished some way or another..

Coming up with ladder games are an excellent idea.. Credit to eth/nobo/maimer.. but i'm proposing u guys have a few admins to help u to run the servers when u all are not around

[Beagle]

Originally Posted by proggies

I hope the situation will be changed too.. I agree that sometimes ppl leave because of connection issues which is unfortunate.. But for those that leave because they have class or dinner or whatever appointments, they should be banned or punished some way or another.

Lets not go crazy and punish people for having lives. This is PuG laddering, nothing life-haltingly important here.

At most, make it so leaving your team subtracts quite a few points from you - as many as you would get from losing two or three games, lets say.

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by Beagle

Lets not go crazy and punish people for having lives. This is PuG laddering, nothing life-haltingly important here.

At most, make it so leaving your team subtracts quite a few points from you - as many as you would get from losing two or three games, lets say.

I think the point that is trying to be made is - if you know you have class or dinner - don't get into a game. You just end up screwing your team up and it's totally unfair / upsetting to those who are playing. Sure maybe you get a warning of leeway but if people are quitting mid-game multiple times they deserve to be banned.

[proggies]

Originally Posted by mikesol

I think the point that is trying to be made is - if you know you have class or dinner - don't get into a game. You just end up screwing your team up and it's totally unfair / upsetting to those who are playing. Sure maybe you get a warning of leeway but if people are quitting mid-game multiple times they deserve to be banned.

exactly my point mike =)

[Beagle]

Oh right, that makes a lot of sense. I thought we were talking about people who had to leave unexpectedly.

Carry on!

[proggies]

maybe this thread can be help to come up with a list of players that should be banned.. People playing in ladder games should start taking note and screenshots of 'leavers'.. Those that have a habit of quitting halfway should be banned and/or made known to other players..

[-MH-CaptainVogez]

Originally Posted by proggies

maybe this thread can be help to come up with a list of players that should be banned.. People playing in ladder games should start taking note and screenshots of 'leavers'.. Those that have a habit of quitting halfway should be banned and/or made known to other players..

I wouldn't do that.
I got an infraction for listing players who bot-farmed for "flaming" other players.

Even though there's threads where the titles have been changed - i.e. Player X's "Bot-farmed" stat's

[eth]

Originally Posted by -MH-CaptainVogez

I wouldn't do that.
I got an infraction for listing players who bot-farmed for "flaming" other players.

Even though there's threads where the titles have been changed - i.e. Player X's "Bot-farmed" stat's

No one cares if someone bot-farms, it hurts no one. Leaving on the other hand..

If you have screenshots, please just post here or send to altitudeladder@gmail.com. The next week we'll probably have a Disconnect stat implemented, but until then post away :]

[Jacques Strap]

The ladders suck. They are unstable, filled with noobs, and they drive players away from the official servers. It is rare to get a good game going on the official servers as a lot of players that are below level 60 come to the officials. It's almost like playing with bots.

Another thing that I hate about the ladders is that most of the time, they are filled with noobs. When I say "noob", I don't mean "new player". I mean "extremely annoying player". All the players with 4 clan tags on their names, the {SWN}s, the |SE's, the |kgh's,* and the trolls come here and scream at each other because nobody actually knows the rules. Sometimes they even restart games because 1 player disconnected.

This was just my own personal experience with the ladder servers. I think they are terrible; I'm not going to sugarcoat it. Feel free to disagree with me.



* I don't mean that ALL {SWN}, |SE, and |kgh players are noobs.

[Esoteric]

Disconnects are bad, if you disconnect/leave/ragequit even once out every 20 games--which doesn't seem that bad at first glance--that means 40% of games have at least one leaver.

We can attack from three angles; rating, reputation, and ability to play.
The goals:
Remove the "We're losing anyway" argument by making leaving worse than losing ratings-wise.
To cause harm to their reputation by increasing their undesirable "leaver" stat (good luck getting picked for captains.)
And to remove their ability for repeat offenders to play for periods or, in flagrant cases, forever.


I almost wish that we could just give all the point loss to the disconnector but that has insane potential for abuse. Best answer in my mind is to have the leaver lose 2-3x the rating of a usual game. Where those points go is tricky: In an abuse-free world, I'd give them to the teammates but you will run into abuse issues when people to disconnect when the team is just about to lose to be nice to their team/increase their desireability in captains games. Whether these extra points are fed to the other team or not I don't know, might be best to leave it negative-sum.

However, that still leaves the issue of those who don't care about their rating/reputation. At the end of the day you need to make sure there's a way for players to avoid playing with repeat offenders. As I've previously stated, one of the most important things about the ladder for me is that I am ambivalent about the composition of my team. I really don't want to have to check my team for leavers each time we're about to play. I don't think anything short of temp bans for repeat leavers will work.

Here is where I really wish we had temp bans. Maybe you can fudge it with a ban list that you modify once or twice a day. Would need to work out some system where penalty increases based on your (games left/games total) stat. Maybe this is a situation best left to a case-by-case basis, but just make sure something is implemented.

[eth]

Thanks for your "input". It's not about sugarcoating it, it's about being constructive. We have put some hard work into this, and it's not helping that you just say "it ****ing sucks you ****ing retards".

What can we do to make it suck less? Usually, there is one ladder server filled with good players and one filled with bad players. This is not always the case due to the small playerbase, we can't help that. Join an official server instead, there's still almost always one full. We've thought about having one server with a 1600+ rating requirement, but we don't have the tools to implement it, since we can't interact with the server unless there's an admin present. What else could we do?

Moral of the story: if it's good, tell us why, if it's bad, tell us why. That is what will actually help this ladder grow! If you want to say "this is really great guys" then that's cool by me because it makes me feel good even if it doesn't really help, however it's pretty demoralizing to read "this just ****ing sucks".

But I guess this is the internet.

To Eso:
A disconnect stat will be coming next week, we're still not too sure what to do about repeat offenders. We don't like permabans at this point since the playerbase is so tiny, and tempbanning is impossible unless there is an admin present(the servers need to be restarted otherwise). Maybe the best thing would be implementing a banlist and having admins walk through it whenever they can.. not too sure about it at this point. But we'll think more about it for sure. Thanks for the real input! :P

[STACK]

The main problem I see is the difference in skill between players and especially teams. Could we try having something like beginner, intermediate, and expert ladder servers? I know it wouldn't be a perfect system but it could help. The main thing keeping me away from the servers is the fact that you can't do a damn thing about having a bad player on your team. Or how about just having one exclusive ladder server with stricter rules and invite only?

[mikesol]

I'm not sure what's difficult to grasp about sending in screenshots or complaints about such players. It's been said countless times - if players are ruining games by leaving / calling bad votes / etc take a screenshot and they'll deal with it accordingly.

Whining about bad players and about people leaving will do absolutely nothing to fix the problem. If anything, it just makes people annoyed and adds more negativity.

I don't think you people realize how much work / effort is put into this. It's not as if the game keeps track of these things easily. The ladder system is a remarkable piece of programming. Also keep in mind that these are three guys giving up their spare time to try and do something for the community. They are getting absolutely nothing out of this. Think about that before getting pissed off that it's not perfect.

I have seen a huge increase in actual competitive play because of these servers. The ladder, in my eyes, is not about getting points but about playing some real good games that aren't filled with random nubs. The points seem to make players want to actually try and you can really see the good players shining through. There are some players who I have never thought to be good before who I now know are actually great players. You learn a lot about people through this - which is a great way to build the community.

[Flyngbanana]

My internet is usually fine 98% of the time, but very occasionally it randomly decides to screw up and disconnect everyone in the house for one minute. I think I've been dced for one minute in 2 out of 50 odd games I've played and came back to resume play as normal.

Will this disconnect stat record those who don't come back at all or those that disappear for only a minute?

[tec27]

The ladder is going great imo. I hadn't played Altitude for more than 1 or 2 hours in the past 4-5 months, and ever since the ladder came out, I can't help but play 3-4 hours a day or more. Excellent job, I've already put in over 50 games and I'm sure that number will go even higher in the next week.

There are occasionally games that are ruined by leavers or various other problems, but in my experience, only 3 or 4 games out of my 54 have had those problems. Overall I think the main issue is team balance, but I know you're working on that.

Originally Posted by Flyngbanana

My internet is usually fine 98% of the time, but very occasionally it randomly decides to screw up and disconnect everyone in the house for one minute. I think I've been dced for one minute in 2 out of 50 odd games I've played and came back to resume play as normal.

Will this disconnect stat record those who don't come back at all or those that disappear for only a minute?

AFAIK, the plan is that if you reconnect before the game ends (or maybe within some time period after disconnecting), you will not be penalized.

[DiogenesDog]

Originally Posted by Jacques Strap

Sometimes they even restart games because 1 player disconnected.

Uh, the creates go out of their way to say that this is totally up to the discretion of the players. If people want to do this, they can't. If they don't, then they can choose not to.

baffling to me that anyone would get mad at a voluntary display of good sportsmanship.

[Pieface]

The two main problems I see so far are server inconsistency and people leaving mid-game. In the last day that I've played, there have been huge periods of laggyness and several times when everyone is kicked from the server and the game has to be started over. I realize that you guys might not have the resources to pay for a good VPS, but this is by far the worst problem I have experienced with ladder matches so far. Over half the games I've played have been ruined either because the server kicked everyone or because tons of people continually teleported around, no matter what their connection or ping was like. My ping was around 25 most games and I've almost never had anyone complain about me lagging before, but in the last couple of says I've seen so many more people teleporting or experiencing packet loss than any normal server that I'm thinking the VPS may be at fault. Not sure if tec's VPS still has room left on it, but have you considered running it there if he's game? Even the Proleagues (while not great servers) have been more consistent than the ladder servers. Obviously in an ideal world we could get the devs to host the servers or pay for a beautiful connection for everyone, but I realize that's probably not possible.

Besides the server inconsistency, games are ruined when people leave halfway through. I agree that some sort of rating/reputation system should be put into place, and I'm happy that you guys are working on that. Perhaps have a stat that keeps track of how many times you left mid-game and did not come back within 2-3 minutes? The amount of points you lose for leaving the game could then scale for you with time as that stat gets higher. The more you leave, the more you'd get punished for leaving the next game. Maybe that would be an incentive for people to stick around and finish the game or not play when they have a bad connection. Perhaps for every five times you leave during a match, you could have the server ban list automatically update with a temp ban for that player? It would then just be a matter of having the servers restart every so often to take the ban list into account.

I still think there should be a couple more admins to make sure everyone isn't sitting around waiting to play forever and to help enforce the rules, but that's a much smaller fix than the above complaints. The five admins we have now can't be on 24/7, and it would really be a good thing to have people who can make sure the games get started without too much fuss.

Anyway, I wanted to post some constructive criticism and hope I didn't sound too negative. You guys have done a really great job so far and I know many, many people really appreciate the time and work you have put into this. I'm confident that once some of the problems are worked out, this system can become even better at stimulating the competitive play that I've seen so far on these servers.

Keep up the great work!

[Propwash]

I would like to see at least 1 or 2 more ladder servers for the following reasons.

How can you fairly compete, unless you know, and or are befriended by the obvious ring leaders. I am currently 1.01 with a bomber and 1.09 with Explodet. I have 1.908,383 Total Experience and 819.1 hours of game play. Yet I cant seem to get a chance at competing in the Ladder game.

I would also like to see if there could be any extra points awarded for picking teams in under 1 minute. We sit for 5 and 10 minutes sometimes more at a time waiting to even see if we can even play. Plus comments like wait for ( players name ) he will be here in 2 minutes. Well if you want to play then get your butt in the game to be picked!!!!

Possibly extra points or separate points for MVP, Most Kills, most base damage?

Just a few suggestions and hopefully if I ever get popular enough, I just might get a chance to play more!

If everyone can't get the teams picked within 1 minute, then let the server random pick from everyone to give a fair chance to everyone.




Propwash

[tec27]

Originally Posted by Propwash

I would like to see at least 1 or 2 more ladder servers for the following reasons.

How can you fairly compete, unless you know, and or are befriended by the obvious ring leaders. I am currently 1.01 with a bomber and 1.09 with Explodet. I have 1.908,383 Total Experience and 819.1 hours of game play. Yet I cant seem to get a chance at competing in the Ladder game.

I would also like to see if there could be any extra points awarded for picking teams in under 1 minute. We sit for 5 and 10 minutes sometimes more at a time waiting to even see if we can even play. Plus comments like wait for ( players name ) he will be here in 2 minutes. Well if you want to play then get your butt in the game to be picked!!!!

Possibly extra points or separate points for MVP, Most Kills, most base damage?

Just a few suggestions and hopefully if I ever get popular enough, I just might get a chance to play more!

If everyone can't get the teams picked within 1 minute, then let the server random pick from everyone to give a fair chance to everyone.




Propwash

I agree there is too much waiting around, but that will be solved with autobalance. At the moment there is no way for the server to force anyone to do *anything*, so these things you are complaining about are not really solvable. And the server logs only give info on who won the tournament game, nothing else.

[Jayfourke]

Here's a lovely nice big complaint for you, all the people on ladder are too damn busy complaining about a high ping and debating whether to play "caps" then to actually JOIN A BLOODY TEAM AND ACTUALLY PLAY SOME ALTITUDE.

I was just in there, me and my lovely high ping (not my fault, the university network just got "upgraded") and it took a ridiculously long time to play.

People would suggest caps, and then nothing would happen, so I joined, and told everyone else to join. People saw my ping and complained, then they asked if we should play caps. I repeated my statement of just get in and play, then we'll balance teams. But noooooooooooooo.

Then some bright spark had the idea of randa vs loopy, so about 7 people jump to loopy, and one person goes randa. So everyone jumps back out to do caps.

Until I yelled at everyone to just get in and then we'd balance teams. And then some more bleeding morons complained about my ping. YES GUYS, I KNOW THAT IT AVERAGES 500, BUT I WON'T BOMB WITH IT LIKE THAT SO SHUT UP.

Eventually, by some miracle, I'd yelled at enough people that we actually got enough people in the damn game to play. So we played a highly enjoyable game on asteroids, but then it was over.

Guess what we had to do all over again? Yep, sort teams. I gave up and ragequitted, having waited at least 15 minutes*, in the lobby, for everyone to get their acts together and play. The game lasted 10 minutes. I spent more time arguing about teams than I did playing, it's beyond absurd.

So yeah, please force some form of team-making power on the server, because it appears that people can't do it themselves.

*possibly more, I listened to a track that's 3:30 long at least 5 times. I'm on the road to Viridian City.

[tec27]

Jayfourke, I understand that you can't easily control your ping, but 500 is really outrageous for competitive play. It affects way more than just bombing. I'm sorry that anyone shoud have to be excluded from a ladder, but high pings have a very detrimental effect on the laddering process.

[NomNom]

Yea ban Jayfourke, playing with that ping is idiotic and ruins the game for everyone else as well. Play solitaire or some browser arcade games if ur connection is that ****ty.

[Evan20000]

Reason: Typing out of teamchat while specing, then trying to kick a player after getting kicked. This was after being a general pain in the lobby. Request ban. On a side note, his distraction helped end my 8 killstreak. D:

ID: {$WN}zackzingki

[Jayfourke]

Originally Posted by NomNom

Yea ban Jayfourke, playing with that ping is idiotic and ruins the game for everyone else as well. Play solitaire or some browser arcade games if ur connection is that ****ty.

I play solitaire when my internet's so bad as to stop me from getting on alt at all. BACK OFF.

[Vi*]

Originally Posted by NomNom

Yea ban Jayfourke, playing with that ping is idiotic and ruins the game for everyone else as well. Play solitaire or some browser arcade games if ur connection is that ****ty.

You know what else ruins the game? Having to wait 15 minutes to get a match started, every time. Ban everyone but Jayfourke also, imo.

[Sarah Palin]

Originally Posted by Jayfourke

So yeah, please force some form of team-making power on the server, because it appears that people can't do it themselves.

Any sorting method would be unofficial which leaves open the question of whether people would respect it.

Anecdote: 10 people join up. I am on the left team. Most of the pros have joined the right team. A vote to start the tourney fails as I am the only person on the left team to vote yes. Everyone yells "Balance!" We autobalance, I get lucky and get two of the known pro players on my team. I type "/vote start," before I'm half done 3 of the people on the other team, who called for autobalance in the first place, have specced out and start yelling they want a captain's game.

I am against drama stirring and ban lists, but boy if I could be convinced to start a ban list for any group of people, it would be these "I'm only playing if I have a great team" douches. They make team-matching last longer than games.

[eth]

Originally Posted by Jayfourke

I play solitaire when my internet's so bad as to stop me from getting on alt at all. BACK OFF.

Not too sure how my fellow admins feel about this, but I agree fully with BG1. 500 ping is just ****ing ridiculous, show some respect for the people you play with. If I recall correctly you're also a loopy, getting shot by tracking missiles from a 500 ms player from half the map away is the definition of retarded.

edit: oh and I'll ban that zack guy as soon as I find him.

[DMCM]

To clarify the zack situation:


- He spammed the chat with several messages all in caps lock.

- I called a vote to kick him, which failed.

- Then he called a vote to kick me.

[NomNom]

Originally Posted by eth

Not too sure how my fellow admins feel about this, but I agree fully with BG1. 500 ping is just ****ing ridiculous, show some respect for the people you play with. If I recall correctly you're also a loopy, getting shot by tracking missiles from a 500 ms player from half the map away is the definition of retarded.

edit: oh and I'll ban that zack guy as soon as I find him.

And the thing is it wasn't a constant 500 ping, he was going from 100 to to 600 to 999 warping all over the map. Clearly his connection is not stable enough to be playing.

[Sarah Palin]

Ingbo created a giant fight over an incident in the server tonight and threatened to "pm all the admins." I am pre-empting him here, publicly because I do not believe in s*** stirring behind closed doors.

First just the facts with no introductory comment:



Ingbo said this was a bannable offense and he would contact maimer.

Well, four points to that:

1. Stoptourney is allowed at the discretion of the players (direct quote from the ladder rules thread). I have voted yes on stop tourney several times when a player with good sportsmanship did not want to continue a 5v4 (and this vote passed and the game ended). I have also voted yes in two instances when a 5v5 game was stalled for 15 minutes with no successful bomb and people were fed up with the map. Again, when a majority of voters agreed, the game stopped with no further comment.

2. Vogez's suggestion was not an attempt to rob players of points but a motion to amicably end a game that players no longer have interest in continuing. In this case it was because the game was taking forever and people were wasting bombs constantly with no real play going on.

3. A vote to stop tourney CANNOT PASS without people from BOTH TEAMS voting yes which is exactly what happened here.

4. When the player from Ingbo's team claimed (after Ingbo completely blew up at him for 5 minutes) that his vote was a "mistaken keypress," I and other people on my team said that in this case the stoppage of the tourney was indeed unfair and we offered to rematch Ingbo and let him bomb our base unopposed for the points. He refused and muted me, then voted to kick me (which failed).


My intention, and also I assume vogez's intention, was not to rob Ingbo of the points that he apparently values more than sportsmanship and courtesy. It was only an intention to end a long and frustrating game IF the majority of players felt it was too long and too frustrating, and start a better one. As you can see from my matchlists and who I play with, I don't really care about ranking or points. I just care about playing fun games. I will always vote 1 if someone suggest stopping a game that I no longer feel is fun, and I will always respect the will of the majority and either join the a new game or keep playing and put a sportsmanlike effort into the game, depending on what the majority decides and REGARDLESS of whether their decision is the same as what I would have wanted.

I regret that the vote passed so narrowly, and in retrospect a better course of action would be to discuss it before a vote to see if an 80%+ consensus existed for stopping the frustrating game and starting anew on a better map. In this, I admit fault.

However, a majority of players voted to amicably end the game, not just me and not just Vogez. Ingbo, like many people on the ladder server these days, flew into a rage because he felt he didn't get the points he deserved. If so his rage should be directed at not just me or Vogez but all the people, including the person on his team, who voted to end the game.

Ultimately while the ladder server has made games more competitive in a good way, it has also made them more competitive in a bad way. For me, Altitude is recreation and I strongly dislike the "points before players" attitude that has crept into the game. As for Ingbo's implied accusation that I would abort a game just to avoid losing 20 e-peen points on some website, it completely pisses me off.

Having presented my side of this story, I respect the decision of admins in this matter.

[Propwash]

Originally Posted by NomNom

And the thing is it wasn't a constant 500 ping, he was going from 100 to to 600 to 999 warping all over the map. Clearly his connection is not stable enough to be playing.

I feel your pain on the ping issues ( I have had sporadic ping issues in the past, and from time to time is just happens to most of us), but the only problem that I see with anyone getting kicked for a ping issue is:

When you see, find or you are referred to the Altitude Game web site, absolutely no where have I found and disclaimer that states that if your ping is a certain level you can't participate!! So as long as you pay for your account just like anyone else does, you should be able to participate in some capacity.

If the person has not been ping kicked from that server obviously it is a no max ping server? Correct? IF so then maybe all of the perfect ping players could stop flooding the no max ping servers and let the unfortunate players that have ping issues use those servers. After all they paid their money too!

If you purchased an item and then told that you couldn't use it, You more than likely would want to complain about it or ask for a refund. I think that this is an issue for the owners or Admin to solve, not for a group of short tempered people that stick together to take over a server to deal with. After all it's a game!! Enjoy it.

And for those that this applies to, GROW UP!!! For the mature ones, obviously this doesn't effect nor will this comment make you angry. For those of you that steam over this comment, you are the ones that I'm talking about!!! And I'm sure the next few replies my opinions will show the ones that are mature and the ones that are not. So everyone take note of the ones that do reply in an immature manner and curse and throw a big baby fit and simply ignore them and even take it a step further, ask your clans to refuse to play with them until they grow up, they are a MUCH bigger problem than the high ping players.


Prop

[eth]

Originally Posted by Propwash

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The altitude ladder servers are private, non-official servers. That means we set our own rules. There is currently nothing in the rules about max-ping, so up until now we haven't kicked or banned for it. This is however something that is likely to change, as competitive matches with 500+ ping simply aren't very competitive(or fun). If your ping is that high, you can join the official servers where you can play without getting any trouble for it.


To Palin:
You fail to mention that your teams base had less than 5% health remaining. I am assuming that you guys "lost interest" in the game because it was obvious you were not going to win - so you're not exactly displaying good sportsmanship yourself. It's not about a "fun game" as you claim at this point - you've stuck in the game until your base was at 5% health, at which point it's "not fun" anymore. Do you really expect me to believe this? Seems to me like you're the one caring about e-peen points on some website, because if you didn't you'd have stuck it out for the remaining couple of minutes, right?

It also seems like spectators voted, and just one guy on Ingbos team, who also said it was a mistake. So I guess all players did not vote to amicably end the game, correct?

I especially love your confession of intended abuse, and I really have no idea what the **** you were thinking there. We catch you giving free points to another team REGARDLESS OF YOUR INTENTIONS, you're getting permabanned.

Moral of the story: don't do this ****. I'm giving you a 2day ban the next time I see you, or on server restart. If you have any issues with that, PM me. Also before anyone reading this thinks "oh okay, just a 2day ban", that ban is incremental. Repeat offenders will get larger and larger bans up until perma.