Results compilation topic (for rankings)

[DMCM]

A lot of people have been asking for the rankings, but we got no answer so I decided to ask the Captains of each APL team to post the results of thier 8 matches here so we can compile all results and finally get at least the general idea of the ranking so far. Simply put your team first on every result, so if you lost write 0-2 or 1-2 and if you won 2-0 or 2-1.


IL:

0-2 Sammiches
0-2 ACE
2-0 KLF
2-0 JC
2-1 DW
1-2 L*
2-0 ##
2-0 RIP

[Tosconi]

I did not include the matches vs FA, DM and IB, since those teams were disqualified and results against them don't count

DW
DW vs BB 0-2
DW vs fLb 0-2
DW vs ACE 0-2
DW vs IL 1-2
DW vs L* 0-2

##
## vs RIP 2-0
## vs KLF 0-2
## vs L* 0-2
## vs Ball 2-0
## vs BB 0-2
## vs FN 2-0
## vs IL 0-2


JC
JC vs Ball 1-2
JC vs BB 0-2
JC vs IL 0-2
JC vs L* 0-2
JC vs ACE 0-2


KLF
KLF vs ## 2-0
KLF vs FN 2-0
KLF vs IL 0-2
KLF vs BB 2-2
KLF vs Ball 2-0
KLF vs RIP 2-0
KLF vs L*


BB
BB vs FN - 2-0
BB vs DW 2-0
BB vs JC 2-0
BB vs KLF 2-2
BB vs ## 2-0
BB vs || ...
BB vs Ball …


Ball
Ball vs JC 2-1
Ball vs || 0-2
Ball vs ## 0-2
Ball vs KLF 0-2
Ball vs RIP 2-0
Ball vs BB ...

[wolf'j'max]

Thx for our scores tosco thats great!! Btw you said FN twice in ours ^^' thanks anyway xD

[VeRiTaS]

Originally Posted by Tosconi

I did not include the matches vs FA and IB, since those teams were disqualified and results against them don't count

JC
JC vs Ball 1-2
JC vs BB 0-2
JC vs IL 0-2
JC vs L* 0-2
JC vs ACE 0-2

Are you sure about that?

[classicallad]

spot on Tosconi ;P

[Tosconi]

Wolfy

although i'm not Tote - edited

you're welcome. I'll update it as soon as I get new results. We still need something alike for the rest of the teams (Ace, fLb, L*, ||, ##, FN(?) ). If anyone has time for that, that'd be nice

[wolf'j'max]

Lolz soz i heard tote talking on alty about the scores aswell today and im tired so yeah, i edited it though. I will post results from BB as soon as i know so you know them aswell >.<

[Tosconi]

Veritas - well I've been asking people if I get it right, noone gave me an adequate answer. But still as far as I remember there's an article in the rules about this. Anyway it doesn't matter - whatever way it works (either every team gets a win over them, or the results don't count at all) - in the end it's all the same.

[DMCM]

Thanks for the help guys.

Tosconi about your post:

- KLF beat bong's 2-1, it wasn't a tie. Well it was a mutual annihliation on Mayhem but then KLF won 2-1

- I'm pretty sure that ## vs FN was a forfeit win for ##

[Tosconi]

ok DMCM I edited the ## stats

Altiture Wiki says:"According to the official APL rules in the event of mutual annihilation when the teams have both won one game, two points will be awarded to each team". - So i guess 2-2 is the right score.

[DMCM]

Ok, in that case it's 3-2 for KLF because they won after the mutual annihilation.

[Tosconi]

I know they played another match. But this topic's been discussed over the whole last week. I still believe 2-2's the score, which admins decided in the end. Look the Results thread of the last week...I'm pretty sure Tyr and someone else expressed their opinion on that one (as far as I remember they didn't want to make it 3-2 - not to mess up the whole system of bo3). And as said - alty wiki sais it's a "tie match".

[evilarsenal]

actually i have one set up, and am currentlywaiting to put up on the website, but flight666 never got back to me, and regardless, even if ur 1st place,u can go to like 10th place really easily especially for those who have and havent played the top 4

also, u cannot get 3 round wins, KLF vs BB watever happened, who ever got to two rounds first, won. I thought i explained this, scores of 3-2 do not exist

[VeRiTaS]

Originally Posted by evilarsenal

actually i have one set up, and am currentlywaiting to put up on the website, but flight666 never got back to me, and regardless, even if ur 1st place,u can go to like 10th place really easily especially for those who have and havent played the top 4

also, u cannot get 3 round wins, KLF vs BB watever happened, who ever got to two rounds first, won. I thought i explained this, scores of 3-2 do not exist

So will the site be updated soon???

[A Nipple]

[QUOTE=
also, u cannot get 3 round wins, KLF vs BB watever happened, who ever got to two rounds first, won. I thought i explained this, scores of 3-2 do not exist[/QUOTE]

Helloooo, basically, klf won fisrt game, bongs won second, tie on 3rd!

[Stormich]

Which you replayed and lost. I doubt you'd be calling for a tie if you won :P I think Evil needs to make rules about ties more clear.

[A Nipple]

Originally Posted by Stormich

Which you replayed and lost. I doubt you'd be calling for a tie if you won :P I think Evil needs to make rules about ties more clear.

storm lol this is all obvious stuff... we want to win, just like you do, so of course we want to clain a draw! if you think this rule should be changed for next apl bring it up in a thread or with evil!

nipnip

[classicallad]

it is sad really, we were clearly the better team on the day. W/e 2-2 is fine.

[tgleaf]

Originally Posted by Tosconi

I did not include the matches vs FA, DM and IB, since those teams were disqualified and results against them don't count

A win is a win. They should count.

{ball}
Ball vs JC 2-1
Ball vs || 0-2
Ball vs FA 2-0
Ball vs ## 0-2
Ball vs KLF 0-2
Ball vs RIP 2-0
Ball vs BB ...

[andy]

Originally Posted by classicallad

it is sad really, we were clearly the better team on the day. W/e 2-2 is fine.

it doesnt really change to you since 2-2 gives you the same points as 2-1 and the rule is clear in case of a tie after 1-1 the game ends 2-2, i wasnt there so i dont know why you replayed the map but someone should have told you how it works.

[Tosconi]

well tgleaf - then we also won over FA and IB and have 5 instead of 1 points. But still I guess the rules explain it differently.

[tgleaf]

Originally Posted by Tosconi

well tgleaf - then we also won over FA and IB and have 5 instead of 1 points. But still I guess the rules explain it differently.

I'm an APL noob, so I'm not saying I'm right, just thinking that we won, so it should count. It wasn't a forfeit... we actually played them and beat them. Can you quote the rules? I couldn't find that section in the original posting of the rules. Thanks.

[Tosconi]

I'm sure I read it somewhere, but can't find it

I say - Evil should express his opinion on what happens with the points vs disqualified teams. But as said, I asked this question many times and never got an answer.

[nobodyhome]

tgleaf, it doesn't matter if it counts for you or not. since the scheduling is now "everyone plays everybody else", then all the teams that still haven't played F.A. still need to play them (otherwise teams that did play them would have more games played than others which doesn't make sense). these teams would then get auto-wins because F.A. is disqualified.

so if it counts for you then it will count for everybody else, so the end difference is just that everybody gets +1 win, which makes no difference at all. or you can just take the route that it doesn't count, and everybody gets 0 points for all games regarding F.A., which has the same result.

if you're saying that you're one of the only teams that beat them squarely (i.e. not through forfeit) and should get points whereas other teams don't, well that would be unfair because what's to say that other teams wouldn't have beaten them squarely if only they got a chance?

[nobodyhome]

For lobstars:

2-1 fLb
2-0 ##
2-0 J.C.
1-2 Sammich
2-0 DW
2-1 IL

we also got forfeit wins against FA and DM but those don't matter.

[NastyManatee]

Sammichs are blah blah undefeated blah blah some numbers blah. Thank you!

[tgleaf]

Originally Posted by nobodyhome

so if it counts for you then it will count for everybody else, so the end difference is just that everybody gets +1 win, which makes no difference at all. or you can just take the route that it doesn't count, and everybody gets 0 points for all games regarding F.A., which has the same result.

I gotcha, makes sense now.

Originally Posted by nobodyhome

if you're saying that you're one of the only teams that beat them squarely (i.e. not through forfeit) and should get points whereas other teams don't, well that would be unfair because what's to say that other teams wouldn't have beaten them squarely if only they got a chance?

No, I wasn't saying that. =) More, just that I like us being 3-3 instead of 2-3. lol. It's our first APL season, so I'm proud of any win we can get. But yeah, in the end, it won't matter. Thanks for explaining it.

[A Nipple]

Originally Posted by NastyManatee

Sammichs are blah blah undefeated blah blah some numbers blah. Thank you!

lawllawllawl (added two extra lawls to post the message)

[evilarsenal]

2-2 = 1 point for each team, for a tie,
all matches with teams DQ'ed will be like they never existed, except if you lost againsta team that got dq'ed....

i have the standings in now, on a website, but i'm still waiting for flight 666

[DMCM]

Flight has been very busy lately.

Why do you need him anyway?

[Pieface]

So yeah, as was pointed out I did that rather fast and as such got a bunch of the scoring mixed up. I just went back and looked at the thing in more detail, and corrected several counting mistakes. Adding to the confusion was the fact that I included the legitimate wins of people against now-disqualified teams to make them feel good, but of course did not include any points awarded from those games. This caused general confusion because the number of wins did not match up to the number of points gained. I've removed all results from games played against now-DQed teams so the points should be correct.

I'll update the Wiki page this afternoon when I get more stable internet, but for now here are the updated top four scores of teams:

1. IL (8 games played, 16 points earned) and L* (6 games played, 16 points earned)
2. Sammich (5 games played, 15 points earned)
3. BB, and KLF all tied (5 games played, 13 points earned)
4. ACE and fLb (4 games played, 10 points earned)

The standings should make a bit more sense when people play their rescheduled games and everyone has played the same amount. Until then, take the scores for what you will.

Here are the games I still need to hear the results from as they were rescheduled:

Week 3:

• ACE vs. fLb

Week 4:

• KLF vs. L*
• BB vs. Sammich
• ACE vs. FN
• BB vs. Ball

I'll post the link to the updated standings later today as soon as I get a chance to update them.

[DMCM]

Thanks Pie.

You need to do some editing though.

for example ACE have 3 wins and a 2-1 loss so they have 10 points, not 6.

[Pieface]

Thanks for that. For some reason I counted ACE's wins as two points each instead of three. It's fixed now, let me know if you see any other mistakes! I'll look over it in more detail tomorrow.

[DMCM]

- JC should have 7 points

- Ball should have 9 points

- fLb have 4 wins but for some reason only 7 rounds won, which is not possible

[andy]

Originally Posted by evilarsenal

2-2 = 1 point for each team, for a tie,

shouldnt it be 2 points each?

[NastyManatee]

Originally Posted by Pieface

1. KLF, L*, and IL all tied in first
2. Sammich coming in a close second
3. BB in third
4. fLb and ACE tied in fourth

Odd that we are in second and IL and L* are in first considering how we beat them both and we only have one postponed match. But I won't begin to act like I understand how this competition is ranked and kept track of, if it is at all.

Manatee logic: Stay undefeated = win.

[tgleaf]

Thanks, Pieface!

[Pieface]

So yeah, as was pointed out I did that rather fast and as such got a bunch of the scoring mixed up. I just went back and looked at the thing in more detail, and corrected several counting mistakes. Adding to the confusion was the fact that I included the legitimate wins of people against now-disqualified teams to make them feel good, but of course did not include any points awarded from those games. This caused general confusion because the number of wins did not match up to the number of points gained. I've removed all results from games played against now-DQed teams so the points should be correct.

I'll update the Wiki page this afternoon when I get more stable internet, but for now here are the updated top four scores of teams:

1. IL (8 games played, 16 points earned) and L* (6 games played, 16 points earned)
2. Sammich (5 games played, 15 points earned)
3. BB, and KLF all tied (5 games played, 13 points earned)
4. ACE and fLb (4 games played, 10 points earned)

The standings should make a bit more sense when people play their rescheduled games and everyone has played the same amount. Until then, take the scores for what you will.

Here are the games I still need to hear the results from as they were rescheduled:

Week 3:

• ACE vs. fLb

Week 4:

• KLF vs. L*
• BB vs. Sammich
• ACE vs. FN
• BB vs. Ball

I'll post the link to the updated standings later today as soon as I get a chance to update them.

[nobodyhome]

That still isn't quite accurate. Haven't looked at the other teams, but from Lobstars alone, we've actually played 6 games and won 5, not played 5 and won 4. Check my post above to see the teams we've played (all non-DQ'ed teams).

[Pieface]

Got it. For some reason I had counted that game as a loss for IL, but forgot to record it as a win for the Lobstars. The page should be updated now.

Keep the fixes coming! My goal is to provide a working table that will be useful for everyone.