Current Rankings

[mikesol]

I've updated the entire wiki to reflect the matches. For a comprehensive list of everything please visit http://nimblygames.com/wiki/index.ph...n_4)#Standings and scroll to the bottom of the page.

For the lazy man I summarized them below. NOTE: THESE ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO BE CORRECT. IF YOU FOUND AN ERROR POST HERE AND I'LL FIX IT.

Top 8 teams currently will be in the playoffs

1) Sammich - 33 points - 92% Win (11 games)
2) KLF - 31 points - 81% Win (11 games)
3) TC - 27 points - 74% Win (11 games)
4) IL - 24 points - 66% Win (11 games)
5) L* - 21 points - 56% Win (11 games)
6) fLb - 20 points - 58% Win (11 games)
7*) FRO - 20 points - 58% Win (11 games)
8) Area 51 - 13 points - 39% Win (11 games)
9) BB - 10 points - 29% Win (11 games)

This means the current playoff would look like this if all rankings were finalized:


Dropped out:
~SS~
RIP
!|

[Flight 666]

Team ↓ Wins ↓ Losses ↓ Ties ↓ Winning %
Iron Legends - Tag: IL| 4 2 0 0.666

o.O

[DMCM]

Nice


How many teams go through to the playoff by the way?

4? 6? 8?

[mikesol]

Flight I'm confused what you're trying to say?

DMCM - 8 teams go to the playoffs.

[banana]

He just likes the number 666.

[sunshineduck]

[FRO] has only lost three rounds (two to (||), one to KLF), not four

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

[FRO] has only lost three rounds (two to (||), one to KLF), not four

Good catch - it's been updated to reflect that.

[sunshineduck]

Originally Posted by mikesol

Good catch - it's been updated to reflect that.

actually no, I'm just dumb

it's four, we won one against KLF and lost two

never ask me to do basic math

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

actually no, I'm just dumb

it's four, we won one against KLF and lost two

never ask me to do basic math

Lol ok I fixed it again

[VeRiTaS]

well there is just one mistake that i noticed.. it says that TC vs BB was no show but it was rescheduled

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by VeRiTaS

well there is just one mistake that i noticed.. it says that TC vs BB was no show but it was rescheduled

Has that game been played or has there been a time set for that? Playoffs will be here in less than 2 weeks and if it's not played soon you'll have to take a forfeit loss.

[VeRiTaS]

Originally Posted by mikesol

Has that game been played or has there been a time set for that? Playoffs will be here in less than 2 weeks and if it's not played soon you'll have to take a forfeit loss.

Hopefully it will be played this sunday .

[classicallad]

KLF KLF, just sayin, also dam small pokey towns on the English coast, when i ask about internet they look at me like i just shat myself or something o.0

[Tosconi]

As a suggestion:

I'd rather count winning % in the table, not by the the match difference, but by the round difference - it'd make the numbers more accurate.

e.g.
Winning % of IL after 6 games is 66,6%
Winning % of IL after 14 rounds is 57,1%

[mikesol]

Rankings updated. See first post

[banana]

Not sure how [TC] have won 17 rounds in the wiki after only playing 8 games.

[York]

[TC] is very very wrong

[York]

If a team score no points in the week I didn't list them.

Week 1
51 - 3
fLb - 6
KLF - 6
TC - 4
L* - 3
(||) - 6
!| - 3

Week 2
(||) - 6
KLF - 6
FRO - 1
51 - 3
fLb - 3
L* - 6
IL - 6
BB - 3
TC - 4

Week 3
(||) - 6
KLF - 4
L* - 3
BB - 4
IL - 6
51 - 1
TC - 6
!| - 1
FRO - 6
fLb - 4

Week 4
KLF - 6
RIP - 1
TC - 3
FRO - 6
(||) - 6
SS - 6
IL - 6
L* - 3
fLb - 1


(||) -- 24
KLF -- 22
IL -- 18
TC -- 17
L* -- 15
fLb -- 14
FRO - 12
51 -- 7
BB -- 7
SS -- 6
!| -- 4
RIP -- 1

I mean you guys got it pretty damn close but you have TC 3 unaccounted points. They can't be in 3rd, for IL is in 3rd.

[[Y]]

They've won 6 matches and lost 2 matches. If they've lost 1-2 both times (which they did), wouldn't they have a max of 14 rounds won?

[York]

Originally Posted by [Y]

They've won 6 matches and lost 2 matches. If they've lost 1-2 both times (which they did), wouldn't they have a max of 14 rounds won?

I just double checked their points, my calculations are 100% correct.

[York]

Originally Posted by [Y]

They've won 6 matches and lost 2 matches. If they've lost 1-2 both times (which they did), wouldn't they have a max of 14 rounds won?

YO YO they only won 5 matches.

BB
!|
RIP
SS
51

^^^^according to the wiki. The chart on the bottom is wrong. look at the list of games and results in the weeks

[Flight 666]

So we are 3rd?

[mikesol]

Thanks for pointing that out. I was doing this at like 2 am so I was a bit out of it. It's been fixed and hopefully should be closer to perfection now.

[evilarsenal]

tc has only played 7 games, not 8

[York]

Originally Posted by mikesol

Thanks for pointing that out. I was doing this at like 2 am so I was a bit out of it. It's been fixed and hopefully should be closer to perfection now.

no problem. im sorry TC for kinda calling you out and all but i just want everything to be fair.


and mike, we all make slight mistakes =D

[Smushface]

Originally Posted by mikesol

I've updated the entire wiki to reflect the matches. For a comprehensive list of everything please visit http://nimblygames.com/wiki/index.ph...eek_3_Schedule and scroll to the bottom of the page.

For the lazy man I summarized them below. NOTE: THESE ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO BE CORRECT. IF YOU FOUND AN ERROR POST HERE AND I'LL FIX IT.

1) Sammich - 24 points - 94% Win (8 games)
2) KLF - 22 points - 79% Win (8 games)
3) IL - 18 points - 66% Win (8 games)
4) TC - 17 points - 77% Win (7 games)
5) L* - 15 points - 53% Win (8 games)
6) fLb - 14 points - 63% Win (7 games)
7) FRO - 13 points - 73% Win (6 games)
8) Area 51 - 7 points - 29% Win (8 games)
8) BB - 7 points - 27% Win (9 games)
10) ~SS~ - 6 points - 29% Win (7 games)
11) !| - 4 points - 18% Win (8 games)
12) RIP - 1 points - 6% Win (8 games)

So I spoke with Mike about this briefly and I'd like to see what other people think.

Assuming that these rankings will stay (which they wont, i.e. L* have yet to play the 11th and 12th seed), the playoffs will look something like this:

On the left side of the bracket, we'll have
1v8...|| vs. Area 51
4v5...TC vs. L*

And on the right side, we have:
2v7...KLF vs. FRO
3v6...IL vs. fLb

The problem with the current single elimination playoff system is that it will not accurately rank the teams when all the dust settles.

BTW assuming that || are going to win this thing.

For example, it's better for L* to throw some of their remaining games, move down to the 6th or 7th seed so that we can get out of ||'s of the bracket and advance farther into this tourney.

I'd like to see the playoffs move to double elimination. We're already used to 3 month long tournaments, and putting in a loser's bracket might extend this thing another week or two and we all get to play more games. And who doesn't love more games.

[andy]

Originally Posted by Smushface

So I spoke with Mike about this briefly and I'd like to see what other people think.

Assuming that these rankings will stay (which they wont, i.e. L* have yet to play the 11th and 12th seed), the playoffs will look something like this:

On the left side of the bracket, we'll have
1v8...|| vs. Area 51
4v5...TC vs. L*

And on the right side, we have:
2v7...KLF vs. FRO
3v6...IL vs. fLb

The problem with the current single elimination playoff system is that it will not accurately rank the teams when all the dust settles.

BTW assuming that || are going to win this thing.

For example, it's better for L* to throw some of their remaining games, move down to the 6th or 7th seed so that we can get out of ||'s of the bracket and advance farther into this tourney.

I'd like to see the playoffs move to double elimination. We're already used to 3 month long tournaments, and putting in a loser's bracket might extend this thing another week or two and we all get to play more games. And who doesn't love more games.

I had spoke to evil about this because i supported a double elimination. It seems more fair and actually will eventually reflect the real value of the teams, not only reflect who had easiest games or lucky seed. Evil didnt seem to want to do it but if all of us push for double elimination i hope we can convince him. Also it would only mean a few extra games plus if you do them on the same day (so the teams that lose both play after their game) it could work fast.

EDIT: York you dont have to be sorry, i dont want free points we only need to beat u guys to get back those points (i think mike awarded them for that reason)

[Pieface]

Yeah, I'd support a double-elimination format as well.

I've also gone over all the matches and made some minor updates to the stats page of the wiki. You can find the hopefully correct one here:
http://nimblygames.com/wiki/index.ph...n_4)#Standings

Let me know if you spot any errors; mike and I will happily fix them.

Matches yet to be played from week 4:
- FRO vs. IL
- Sammich vs. TC
- TC vs. fLb

[VeRiTaS]

Originally Posted by Smushface

So I spoke with Mike about this briefly and I'd like to see what other people think.

Assuming that these rankings will stay (which they wont, i.e. L* have yet to play the 11th and 12th seed), the playoffs will look something like this:

On the left side of the bracket, we'll have
1v8...|| vs. Area 51/BB
4v5...TC vs. L*

And on the right side, we have:
2v7...KLF vs. FRO
3v6...IL vs. fLb

The problem with the current single elimination playoff system is that it will not accurately rank the teams when all the dust settles.

BTW assuming that || are going to win this thing.

For example, it's better for L* to throw some of their remaining games, move down to the 6th or 7th seed so that we can get out of ||'s of the bracket and advance farther into this tourney.

I'd like to see the playoffs move to double elimination. We're already used to 3 month long tournaments, and putting in a loser's bracket might extend this thing another week or two and we all get to play more games. And who doesn't love more games.

smush just wondering why would you exclude BB when we are tied with A51 ...SO I fixes it up for you.

[Tosconi]

Because they've played a game less and got a waaay easier schedule than you guys. They most certainly win all of the rest matches( since their play with the bottom teams, while you got some tough matches ahead)

[Smushface]

I wrote that simulation quickly. Did 51 because they just happened to be right above you, even though you guys are tied.

Don't think anything of it.

[evilarsenal]

if teams start to die, and there are 8-9 teams left, we will have 6 teams in playoffs...

whereas double elimination, it takes a long time, if people really want to do it, we did it before, and it takes longer than the actual season to do. The ranking are going to be completely different from what you see now, so dont be calling out anything and telling teams to throw their games...

Double elimination eh...teams will just end up playing each other again, and there is a 3rd place and a 4th, also, no one wants to see two bo7's, and if we end up doing double elimination, two bo7's would just be annoying... single elimination is nice and simple

if admins vote for it sure... but i still say no, we did it before and everyone hated it... i would prefer it, but i dont want to repeat the history...teams just dont want to play 1 match and be done with playoffs, but sometimes thats what makes APL better, the drive for competition, it makes teams value matches in the season even more.

If the 4 admins, Evil, Storm, Kuja, Mikesol, if 3 vote for double elim sure, but right now, i'm saying no, convince everyone else...

p.s. don't even dare quote above, i'm not in the best writing mood and i've gone over this topic multiple times i dont wanna fight this

[mikesol]

Personally I have no issue with running a double elimination tourney. Teams will obviously try and throw games in an attempt to place in a better seed in the tournament. I don't see the issue with two bo7's honestly. But I didn't take part in that so I don't know. I guess we'll hear what other people think.

[evilarsenal]

Kuja, and you said yes to double elim, i say no, stormich is the tiebreaker

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by evilarsenal

Kuja, and you said yes to double elim, i say no, stormich is the tiebreaker

Personally I think it should more be up to the teams rather than us. If each team captain were to chirp in then that would be more reasonable. I am not going to deny the teams a double elim if they all want to lol.

[evilarsenal]

Oh fine we'll do double elim stafoo

[Smushface]

I'm assuming this is what you're talking about when repeating history?

http://altitudegame.com/forums/showt...tude+Proleague

I wasn't really playing at this time so I'm a little fuzzy on the events but I think i got the facts straight from what I remember hearing and what I can glean from reading the thread.

Didn't fLb fight through the loser's bracket to take on Ace in an epic double bo7?

Did teams really drop? From what it looks like the tourney got finished, you just didn't update the OP.

But yea. I guess you're right. It doesn't really work. APL2 flb$$ was the 2nd best team in the league. (this is internet sarcasm)

I also don't really see a double elim taking much longer than a standard single elim. Having a month long playoffs (vs. a 2-3 week single elim playoff) isn't longer than having a 6 week long regular season.

And you can set up a double elim bracket so that people don't play each other more than once (at least early on in the bracket, gets harder to guarantee in loser's semis and finals)

But yea, sorry if I'm also rambling. I'm trying to counter another ramble.

edit: aww you beat me to it.

[evilarsenal]

I already know the bracket

Match A (1v8)
Match B (4v5)
Match C (3v6)
Match D (2v7)

Match G: Winner of Match A (v) Winner of Match B
Match H: Winner of Match C (v) Winner of Match D

^^ 1 week, and finals is 2nd week... with double elim

Match E: Loser of Match A (v) Loser of Match B
Match F: Loser of Match C (v) Loser of Match D
Match I: Winner of match F (v) loser of match G
Match J: Winner of match E (v) loser of match H

Match K: Upper Bracket Finals
Match L: Winner of I (v) Winner of J
Match M: Winner of Match L vs. Loser of K
Match M winner vs. winner of K

So it's whatever... it's double elim, prepare your teams

[York]

Originally Posted by evilarsenal

I already know the bracket

Match A (1v8)
Match B (4v5)
Match C (3v6)
Match D (2v7)

Match G: Winner of Match A (v) Winner of Match B
Match H: Winner of Match C (v) Winner of Match D

^^ 1 week, and finals is 2nd week... with double elim

Match E: Loser of Match A (v) Loser of Match B
Match F: Loser of Match C (v) Loser of Match D
Match I: Winner of match F (v) loser of match G
Match J: Winner of match E (v) loser of match H

Match K: Upper Bracket Finals
Match L: Winner of I (v) Winner of J
Match M: Winner of Match L vs. Loser of K
Match M winner vs. winner of K

So it's whatever... it's double elim, prepare your teams

[andy]

pure awesome patented york bias.