Skyleague 3, Round 4- Brackets

[CCN]

Hour Rounds, Bo3, Bo5 Final. Starts 6pm GMT, 1pm EST FIRST to 6 Goals per map
Maps/Listings coming up shortly

6pm GMT/1PM EST Round 1: Cave Core Labrinth
1v8 APL 1
2v7 APL 2
4v5 APL 3
3v6 APL 4

Round 2, 2pm EST: Mayhem 2, Darkwar, Grotto
SemiFinal 1 (top Part of Bracket) - APl 2
SemiFinal 2 - APL3

Round 3, 3pm EST: Darkwar, Maze, Snow, Planepark, Labyrinth
Finals - APL2


Currentl APLs have 15 min timers on them, please play to 6 goals on the map if it reaches the timer.

[Clapon]

hmm giving us the easy matches again this week ccn? thx babe

[Sunaku]

Not that it really bothers me, but according to the points so far :

Originally Posted by CCN

Overall:
1st - Twisted - 22
2nd - Ball - 19
3rd - Arr - 11.5
4th - Tv0 - 11
5th - AH - 5.5
6th -Air,FC, - 3
8th -(T.T), 8, L2, CB -2

there are 3 teams of the top 4 in the same upper part of the draw. I believe the brackets could have been a little bit more interesting on paper, by taking into account the previous results.

[Wyrd]

Yeah, unrandomise them brackets.

[CCN]

Okay, maybe a good way to runt his kind of thing is to randomise it to start and half way throughh the season switch to a loose seedings.

[MintzMachete]

yes for air and t.t to play and us and twisted to play is a bit ridic.

Maybe a switcharoo.

[JWhatever]

Keep it as it is, first time in this tournament that we can actually play a team (on our first round) that is not ranked higher than what we are.

-J

[CCN]

I'm making the brackets.

[Duck Duck Pwn]

I wanted the opportunity to knock twisted out first round

whatever, if people are really going to bitch, then fine

[JWhatever]

I see it hardly fair that we have to be the underdogs in every game we play. This gives our team hardly any chancies to get any points when we need to play the best teams in our first games.

For the record, the top 4 teams have had atleast 1 game each where they have been ranked higher than their opponent. We have had none.

-J from AIR

[Ribilla]

Originally Posted by JWhatever

I see it hardly fair that we have to be the underdogs in every game we play. This gives our team hardly any chancies to get any points when we need to play the best teams in our first games.

For the record, the top 4 teams have had atleast 1 game each where they have been ranked higher than their opponent. We have had none.

-J from AIR

True, but is it right that a team who plays worse gets more points than a better team simply because they drew easy matches? It's statistically improbable, but with a random system the 2nd best team could end up with no points at all.

[Duck Duck Pwn]

Originally Posted by Ribilla

with a random system the 2nd best team could end up with no points at all.

which is completely fine and would be balanced out in further weeks

really, random is fine; stop moaning

[CCN]

People forget to change diapers this week.

[mlopes]

So our opponent was changed at the last minute? SkyLeague is a joke full of ambiguous rules changing whenever it's needed to ensure the results go as planed.

[CCN]

Originally Posted by mlopes

So our opponent was changed at the last minute? SkyLeague is a joke full of ambiguous rules changing whenever it's needed to ensure the results go as planed.

Indeed, lets cry ourselves to sleep over a change that happened 6 hours after i posted up the brackets (as shown in my 2nd post in this thread, Challonge has a bug where it doesn't update the png sometimes when switching the brackets round).

You cry over ****ing everything.

[mlopes]

Originally Posted by CCN

Indeed, lets cry ourselves to sleep over a change that happened 6 hours after i posted up the brackets (as shown in my 2nd post in this thread, Challonge has a bug where it doesn't update the png sometimes when switching the brackets round).

You cry over ****ing everything.

6 hours oh yes that's a lot of time because we all don't have a life and are always on the forums. Nice job trying to push the team of one of the organizers a little further on the league.

[CCN]

you're right, im out to get your team.

tissue?

[elxir]

Originally Posted by mlopes

So our opponent was changed at the last minute? SkyLeague is a joke full of ambiguous rules changing whenever it's needed to ensure the results go as planed.

you could just win...gotta go through the best anyways

[mlopes]

Originally Posted by CCN

you're right, im out to get your team.

tissue?

No thanks, glad you admit it, although I was thinking the idea was to ensure twisted wouldn't play tv0 so they would have a change on one of the 4 top places.

[Demuyt]

I think you are going a little too far. If some of the organizers was the type of guy that would push his team in the league by arranging easy matches for it, do you really think this person would have been chosen to run a tournament as important as Skyleague? Do you really think one of the organizers would be so retarded as to do something like that, something that would destroy competitive Altitude? What you are advancing here is completely nonsense. I understand AIR has had some tough and perhaps unfair losses in this league, but that's not a reason to accuse the organizers of something as important as to have tricked the tournament!

Plus, there are multiple organizers and if one of them was doing something along the lines of what you said, don't you think the others would have sensed it and stopped it? As far as I know, CCN has organized a lot of fun and interesting stuff in competitive altitude, and all of it has gone nicely, so I trust him on getting AH its match schedule.

[mlopes]

Originally Posted by Demuyt

I think you are going a little too far. If some of the organizers was the type of guy that would push his team in the league by arranging easy matches for it, do you really think this person would have been chosen to run a tournament as important as Skyleague? Do you really think one of the organizers would be so retarded as to do something like that, something that would destroy competitive Altitude? What you are advancing here is completely nonsense. I understand AIR has had some tough and perhaps unfair losses in this league, but that's not a reason to accuse the organizers of something as important as to have tricked the tournament!

Plus, there are multiple organizers and if one of them was doing something along the lines of what you said, don't you think the others would have sensed it and stopped it? As far as I know, CCN has organized a lot of fun and interesting stuff in competitive altitude, and all of it has gone nicely, so I trust him on getting AH its match schedule.

I'm not worried about =AIR= losing games in SL. I'm worried about all the non-justified changes that happens all the time on the league, ending now with this sudden opponent change for us. Also if you trust the organization so much you should ask why did I got kicked for replying to a player who was on one of the teams who asked me something, because I wasn't spec chatting.

As you know, we had our losses in EABL and in scrims, I never complained, they were fair and square. Also I know by what we played we wouldn't win Twisted anyway, and the results are not what I complain about. If you notice I even posted my complain before the game. What I'm complaining about is about the (dis)organization of SL.

[CCN]

Sudden opponent change lol (adjusting the bracket within the first 6 hours changed your entire plan for everything! Lol seriously can't believe you are pretending that this changed much of anything).


List all the other "unjustified changes" that have happened.

[sunshineduck]

Originally Posted by mlopes

Also if you trust the organization so much you should ask why did I got kicked for replying to a player who was on one of the teams who asked me something, because I wasn't spec chatting.

[13:31] &mcsunshineduck&: this map sucks
[13:31] =GUI.tar=: SL sucks and we're playing it
[13:32] &mcsunshineduck&: why did you sign up
[13:32] &mcsunshineduck&: if you hate it
[13:32] =GUI.tar=: there's more people on my team
[13:33] =GUI.tar=: also I had never played in SL before, so I didn't knew it sucked that bad
[13:33] [FRO]&Wok3N&: spec chat
[13:33] =GUI.tar=: I'm answering to someone who's playing, that's why I wans't specing

I believe this is the conversation you were referring to.

The question I asked was completely rhetorical, I had been hoping it would make you shut up rather than get an actual answer. You actually had the gall to post about how a league sucked in the middle of a game being played for that league when you had signed up for the tournament. That alone would have warranted a ban from the server, and even after an admin told you to spec chat you decided to ignore his request anyway. I at least had a modicum of respect for you and the team prior to today, but this is utterly pathetic. You're spitting in the face of all the hard work and bull**** CCN has had to put up with in the middle of a very trying time in his life outside Altitude, and your whine is absolutely disgusting.

Are you really crying about a disorganized league while at the same time pushing for a change (including euro-based servers) that would make organization a nightmare for the people running the league? Mother of Samuel L. Jackson on a bicycle. If you think you can run a league better, perhaps you should try your hand at it. Until then, CMN.

I don't really care that the majority of this post is ad hominem, your whining is completely unjustifiable. Absolutely pathetic.

[CCN]

After reading that chat, maybe it wasn't obvious but i'm not forcing you to play week after week. You have to sign up and submit a roster week after week. If you hate it that much don't play.

[Wyrd]

Originally Posted by mlopes

I'm worried about all the non-justified changes that happens all the time on the league, ending now with this sudden opponent change for us.

Originally Posted by mlopes

I was thinking the idea was to ensure twisted wouldn't play tv0 so they would have a change on one of the 4 top places

To be fair, CCN was being accused (complimented really) by Clapon of fixing the brackets this round to give Ball an easy pass into the finals before CCN changed it, and then he changed it so the top 4 teams were distributed evenly across both brackets, because of comments. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Twisted, 1st, has twice the points of tvo, 4th, I don't think they're a major threat to Twisted atm to be honest, regardless of your opinion of CCN's morals, it's an implausible motive.

But I'll get off your case, since you must be heartbroken that you've lost SSD's respect.

[CCN]

In hindsight changing the random brackets was a mistake, however given this is my first time running htis type of setup for SL I would ask epople to be a bit forgiving as I am liable to making mistakes.

[elxir]

give me a trophy

[mlopes]

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

[13:31] &mcsunshineduck&: this map sucks
[13:31] =GUI.tar=: SL sucks and we're playing it
[13:32] &mcsunshineduck&: why did you sign up
[13:32] &mcsunshineduck&: if you hate it
[13:32] =GUI.tar=: there's more people on my team
[13:33] =GUI.tar=: also I had never played in SL before, so I didn't knew it sucked that bad
[13:33] [FRO]&Wok3N&: spec chat
[13:33] =GUI.tar=: I'm answering to someone who's playing, that's why I wans't specing

I believe this is the conversation you were referring to.

The question I asked was completely rhetorical, I had been hoping it would make you shut up rather than get an actual answer.

Posting here 1 or 2 hours after saying you didn't want an answer won't help it, if you didn't want an answer you shouldn't have asked. Then woken told me to spec chat, as if it made sense to answer to someone in a team by using spec chat, and when I told him why I wasn't spec chatting he kicked me. Thanks for helping my point by posting the chat log showing the seconds before I get kicked where is clearly visible that he was just looking for an excuse to do it.

Originally Posted by CCN

In hindsight changing the random brackets was a mistake, however given this is my first time running htis type of setup for SL I would ask epople to be a bit forgiving as I am liable to making mistakes.

I agree and I apologize if I have been too harsh.

[sunshineduck]

You're an idiot.

[Evan20000]

I'm going to go build a shrine to SSD in my room now. Brb.

[Wok3N^]

I actually did not kick you but I am for the kick. You did not spec chat and you could have been patient and spoken with your team or me about your concerns after the game.

[mikesol]

>.> I hate to be the admin that disagrees - but SSD clearly asked him a question. He was simply replying to the question. Did you guys really kick him for that one comment of "I'm answering someone who is playing..."? The spec chat rule is not supposed to be used for things like "oh I disagree with what they're saying so i'm gonna say spec chat now." It seems like he was simply trying to explain himself. Kicking him for that seems silly. If he continued to talk after that remark repeatedly then a kick would be warranted (but perhaps that's not clear in the rules)

Furthermore, calling players idiots or other such things does not help improve relationships or build respect. Even if people are being completely stupid - it is the administrators responsibility to keep a cool head to the best of their ability. Do you ever see lamster or karl getting into flame wars? =P

Yes - there are a lot of things people are complaining over that are stupid. Yes - a lot of people make really bad points and are just obnoxious. Nonetheless, getting into flame wars or being confrontational about everything isn't the way to go. A simple like "hey I'm sorry that this upset you - we'll try and be better in the future" can completely alleviate all the hostility. Even if it doesn't you still look classy for remaining calm. A late apology is also better than no apology. Check out CCN's post for what I mean. It was like "ok I was being a bit too angry in the heat of the moment" and mlopes responded by being calmer too. Win-win

[sunshineduck]

I'm not a skyleague admin, which is why I feel more free to call someone an idiot when I think their posts are idiotic.

Yes, you're right, I "asked him a question", but to end it at that completely ignores the context in which that question was asked. There's absolutely no reason to let a player that is flaming the league to remain a spectator of the very league he is bashing. I'm aware of the fact that it is difficult to convey sarcasm over the internet, but I don't know how much more obvious I can get without putting [rhetorical]tags[/question] around my words.

From my point of view, using someone's rhetorical question as a excuse to vent against a league while the team you captain is playing in a league game and then ignoring an admin request to stop flaming the league is completely unacceptable and I'm rather surprised that you're supporting it, mike.

[mlopes]

Originally Posted by Wok3N^

I actually did not kick you but I am for the kick. You did not spec chat and you could have been patient and spoken with your team or me about your concerns after the game.

You didn't? But weren't you the only person from the league organization there?

@mike, yes the kick was immediately after that.

[ufo]

altitude is srs bzn

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

I'm not a skyleague admin, which is why I feel more free to call someone an idiot when I think their posts are idiotic.

Yes, you're right, I "asked him a question", but to end it at that completely ignores the context in which that question was asked. There's absolutely no reason to let a player that is flaming the league to remain a spectator of the very league he is bashing. I'm aware of the fact that it is difficult to convey sarcasm over the internet, but I don't know how much more obvious I can get without putting [rhetorical]tags[/question] around my words.

From my point of view, using someone's rhetorical question as a excuse to vent against a league while the team you captain is playing in a league game and then ignoring an admin request to stop flaming the league is completely unacceptable and I'm rather surprised that you're supporting it, mike.

Perhaps we are seeing different things here. As you said, sarcasm is hard to express online. Even being a native english speaker it looked, to me, like you were actually asking a question and not just trying to be sarcastic.

I, personally, am against kicking people who simply annoy us. I would've kicked sunaku so many times if that was the case. "With great power comes great responsibility."

You kicked mlopes after he simply was clarifying his actions. A better response would have been "let's chat after the game" or "hold that thought." (or even: "That was a rhetorical question") Do I support him flaming the league? Of course not. Don't try to play it off like that. You're just using a logical fallacy to back up your point here.

As I said originally, if mlopes continued to talk after spec chat in a disrespectful way then a kick would be warranted. There is a clear bias on when people are kicked and when they aren't for spec chatting.

Edit: Don't get me wrong - we all make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I'm more talking about in the future - I'd disagree with kicks like that.

[elxir]

lamster trolled me one time

[Evan20000]

According to my logs, Mlopes chose to explain why he didn't speak in spec chat in all chat. He probably could have avoided the kick if he had PM'd SSD or just spec chatted when explaining himself imo.

[mikesol]

Originally Posted by Evan20000

According to my logs, Mlopes chose to explain why he didn't speak in spec chat in all chat. He probably could have avoided the kick if he had PM'd SSD or just spec chatted when explaining himself imo.

Woken was in game though - so explaining to spec chat wouldn't make sense. Yes - he probably should have refrained from typing that in all chat. However, i'd still disagree with a kick *right* after that.

[mlopes]

Originally Posted by ufo

altitude is srs bzn

I loled

Originally Posted by mikesol

As I said originally, if mlopes continued to talk after spec chat in a disrespectful way then a kick would be warranted.

Even I agree with that, and I was the one getting kicked.

Originally Posted by Evan20000

According to my logs, Mlopes chose to explain why he didn't speak in spec chat in all chat. He probably could have avoided the kick if he had PM'd SSD or just spec chatted when explaining himself imo.

I can't PM SSD nor Woken cause they aren't on my friends list.