APL Finals $ Bets

Kuja900 · #1 05-25-2011, 10:41 PM

Ok since the other thread got closed lets try this again. I am looking to lay 3:1 up to 50$ that fLb will win the finals. To clarify I am putting my 150$ against your 50$ should you take the bet, or whatever other amount you choose to bet. I am not going to lay ridiculous 20:1 odds or some crap like that as A. its childish B. I intend to pay if I lose and I'd have no way to pay with those odds detracting from the legitimacy of a bet. Please PM me if you are interested or would like to further negotiate, I am flexible as long as it is within reason.

I think Ingbo is looking for action as well and I will let him lay his line in this thread if he so chooses.

Clapon · #2 05-26-2011, 01:54 AM

After reading the whole predictions thread and seeing how little york and rib know about betting id like to show york and try to explain to him how betting actually works.

First off york your table thing is ridiculous as ingbo already said he himself doubts that fLb will win 4-0 so why would he take a bet where thats the only possible way he wins and if IL wins more he pays more, thats like your dad telling you you pay me 10$ if you get all F's on your report card but if you get D's ill give you 10$ and C's 20$ and B's 50$ and so on. the betting you want to do is more of a reward system then a bet. now if you want to do it your way and only your way but you dont want to bet on just IL>fLb maybe you could ask ingbo/kuja something like

York bets 10$

IL>fLb 4-0 15:1 odds/york wins 150$
IL>fLb 4-1 8:1 odds/york wins 80$
IL>fLb 4-2 5:1 odds/york wins 50$
IL>fLb 4-3 3:1 odds/york wins 30$
fLb>IL 4-3 1:1 odds/york wins 10$
fLb>IL 4-2 2:1 odds/Ingbo wins 20$
fLb>IL 4-1 3:1 odds/Ingbo wins 30$
fLb>IL 4-0 5:1 odds/Ingbo wins 50$

Now see york if you want to do this win more the better you play table thing it has to go both ways and you have to pay more YOURSELF for the worst you do for it to be even remotely fair. Obvi these odds are made up and if you did make a bet you'd have to talk it out with the other person, but the guide lines laid out I feel would be similarish to said bet.

Now how normal betting works is you take ONE score and bet against ingbo that said score WONT happen. Again ill show you how that works.

York bets 10$

fLb>IL 4-0 2:1 odds/york wins 20$ IF any other score happens, BUT if fLb does win 4-0 you pay ingbo the 10$ bet.

Or if you are slightly more confident.

fLb>IL 4-1 3:1 odds/york wins 30$ IF any other score happens Except 4-1 4-0, BUT if fLb wins 4-1 or 4-0 you pay ingbo the 10$ bet.

You don't get more the better you do nor do you pay more the worse you do, you either win or lose. no if you wanted to make multiple bets on different out comes you are free to do that and get different odds on each separate bet. But that's the risk you take as you could win one for 8$ but lose you other 3 bets loosing 20$ putting you down 12$ at the end of the day.

I hope this helped you out because this is how it works in the real world. And saying kuja isn't 100% confident in his team because he is not offering 5000:1 odds is just stupid. Like SSD said i hope you are trolling otherwise I have lost all hope for you all.

Mt.Vesuvius · #3 05-26-2011, 02:02 AM

tl;dr imo...

Clapon · #4 05-26-2011, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt.Vesuvius

tl;dr imo...

thats fine i dont expect someone like you to be able to comprehend simple logic anyways.

Ribilla · #5 05-26-2011, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Clapon

After reading the whole predictions thread and seeing how little york and rib know about betting id like to show york and try to explain to him how betting actually works.

I know plenty about betting, well enough to occasionally put a tenner on a footy match or the national. I was just calling Kuja out on his BS "we will win 100%" claim.

Good explanation though, but I don't think I am going to bet as so much of the result depends on whether both teams can get all of their best 5 playing.

Clapon · #6 05-26-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ribilla

I was just calling Kuja out on his BS "we will win 100%" claim.

The thing is its not a BS claim, having recently conversed with kuja he is 100%the fLb will win. however you may be thinking more of how his overconfidence is "BS"

Mt.Vesuvius · #7 05-26-2011, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Clapon

thats fine i dont expect someone like you to be able to comprehend simple logic anyways.

Finally someone understands

Flight 666 · #8 05-26-2011, 11:49 AM

god, in the start of this season we shoulda bet if "IL will play the finals" i would prolly being rich at this moment

HATERS GONNA HATE

Ingbo · #9 05-26-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ribilla

Good explanation though, but I don't think I am going to bet as so much of the result depends on whether both teams can get all of their best 5 playing.

we could arrange odds after who plays tho, just ask both captains who will play each map

banana · #10 05-26-2011, 12:51 PM

If anyone is thinking of betting, the major rule to keep safe is to store any bets made with a third party escrow agreed upon by both parties.

Also be aware that if the amount of money to be gained is large enough, someone will deliberately lose in order to make money.

No idea how this is going to work with bets involving Americans due to their lolgovernment blocking the poker sites.

Ingbo · #11 05-26-2011, 01:17 PM

ye but ppl in the poker community arent rich enough for that to be an issue i feel + donk is on the same team with me so cant bet with him unless on internal things

tomato man · #12 05-26-2011, 01:19 PM

im ready to bet 50$ on the fags...

York · #13 05-26-2011, 01:20 PM

Clapon, my chart was just an example. I told ingbo to change the odds to any way he wanted haha.

Also the whole "you don't win more for the better you do". In this case, I want to. If I am betting against an fLb member who is so sure that they will hand us an ass whooping, than I want them to pay more the better off we win. I would never do that to anyone who wanted to bet who wasn't fLb.

Ribilla · #14 05-26-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by York

Clapon, my chart was just an example. I told ingbo to change the odds to any way he wanted haha.

Also the whole "you don't win more for the better you do". In this case, I want to. If I am betting against an fLb member who is so sure that they will hand us an ass whooping, than I want them to pay more the better off we win. I would never do that to anyone who wanted to bet who wasn't fLb.

TBH I think Kuja is the only one being cocky, Ingbo is being pretty reasonable in his match predictions.

Kuja900 · #15 05-26-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ribilla

TBH I think Kuja is the only one being cocky, Ingbo is being pretty reasonable in his match predictions.

How do you go about calling me cocky after saying you thought "I was not 100% confident" for two days? That said I am in fact ridiculously cocky, come back when you have some new news you lackluster waste of space.

ps- I don't make bets that I cannot follow through on. How legitimate would a bet of 5000:1 be practically? You can call me many things but I am the most confident one of the lot by a mile and its well known.

Ingbo · #16 05-26-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by York

Clapon, my chart was just an example. I told ingbo to change the odds to any way he wanted haha.

Also the whole "you don't win more for the better you do". In this case, I want to. If I am betting against an fLb member who is so sure that they will hand us an ass whooping, than I want them to pay more the better off we win. I would never do that to anyone who wanted to bet who wasn't fLb.

ive given fair odds to you. and if thats the case will u pay more the worse u do too? ur reasoning is very childish honestly why would who ur betting be affecting the price u want? its completely irrational furthermore i think ur trying to skew the odds for pure greed so lets spare any other explanations plz.

but sure york ill give u better price the better u do, just gimme a better deal the better we do.

Ribilla · #17 05-26-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuja900

How do you go about calling me cocky after saying you thought "I was not 100% confident" for two days? That said I am in fact ridiculously cocky, come back when you have some new news you lackluster waste of space.

ps- I don't make bets that I cannot follow through on. How legitimate would a bet of 5000:1 be practically? You can call me many things but I am the most confident one of the lot by a mile and its well known.

The point I was trying to demonstrate is that either you are no longer 100% sure or your odds aren't fair. I am sure you could deliver on 10:1 odds if I bet you $10.

I don't understand your point "ha you called me cocky, well I am cocky, what a waste of space you are for making a correct observation". If you actually comprehended my post, you would have realised that the main point was not that you were cocky, but that ingbo was being reasonable and YorK shouldn't have a problem taking his bet.

I would also be interested to know in what way I am lacklustre, if it's from a lack of flamboyant smack talk, I apologise profusely.

Yours Sincerely,

Rib

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Kuja900 · #18 05-26-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ribilla

The point I was trying to demonstrate is that either you are no longer 100% sure or your odds aren't fair. I am sure you could deliver on 10:1 odds if I bet you $10.

I don't understand your point "ha you called me cocky, well I am cocky, what a waste of space you are for making a correct observation". If you actually comprehended my post, you would have realised that the main point was not that you were cocky, but that ingbo was being reasonable and YorK shouldn't have a problem taking his bet.

I would also be interested to know in what way I am lacklustre, if it's from a lack of flamboyant smack talk, I apologise profusely.

Yours Sincerely,

Rib

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You're just impossible to get logic through to jesus. How is 3:1 anything but fair, odds beyond that I cannot cover for the maximum wager I have in place. I swear to you I am going to grind your team into dust like how we have done for two years and running .

Flight 666 · #19 05-26-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuja900

I swear to you I am going to grind your team into dust like how we have done for two years and running .

lol we already won this apl, whatever the results of finals.

Ribilla · #20 05-26-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuja900

You're just impossible to get logic through to jesus. How is 3:1 anything but fair, odds beyond that I cannot cover for the maximum wager I have in place. I swear to you I am going to grind your team into dust like how we have done for two years and running .

You seem to have based your odds by arbitrarily selecting your cap and your max payout. Maybe, just maybe, you could lower the cap and have the same max payout, whilst giving better odds! Crazy!

Also I don't think you will grind IL into the dust, maybe donk, vipr, wok, ingbo, and Nip will, but not you. Though it seems to be common knowledge that you turn it on for the playoffs, so I look forward to being proved wrong.

Ingbo · #21 05-26-2011, 04:34 PM

ye that feels a bit uncalled for

Kuja900 · #22 05-26-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ribilla

You seem to have based your odds by arbitrarily selecting your cap and your max payout. Maybe, just maybe, you could lower the cap and have the same max payout, whilst giving better odds! Crazy!

Also I don't think you will grind IL into the dust, maybe donk, vipr, wok, ingbo, and Nip will, but not you. Though it seems to be common knowledge that you turn it on for the playoffs, so I look forward to being proved wrong.

Why would I lower my cap? I am trying to make money not start a charity. Also its hardly arbitrary, I obviously based my cap around what I could afford to lose at the moment. If someone wants to negotiate different terms feel free to pm me. Unless you have some cash available and are looking to actually place a bet I am done wasting my time talking about this with you. And why target me individually? You're an absolute fool if you think I'm not playing good altitude. Besides calling your trash talk lackluster (which it is) I have wronged you in no way as you've been on my mute for months so you've really no reason for that crap.

sunshineduck · #23 05-26-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ribilla

You seem to have based your odds by arbitrarily selecting your cap and your max payout. Maybe, just maybe, you could lower the cap and have the same max payout, whilst giving better odds! Crazy!

he makes less money that way, and he wants to make more money! insane!

i don't think kuja's point was ever "ha you called me cocky, well I am cocky, what a waste of space you are for making a correct observation", it was more the fact that you claimed that he was not 100% confident in fLb winning because he wasn't willing to lay down outrageous odds and then called him cocky immediately afterwards. the two claims are mutually exclusive, which means your logic is faulty. in addition, just because your "main point" of your post wasn't that kuja was cocky doesn't mean that you didn't say it.

York · #24 05-26-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingbo

ive given fair odds to you. and if thats the case will u pay more the worse u do too? ur reasoning is very childish honestly why would who ur betting be affecting the price u want? its completely irrational furthermore i think ur trying to skew the odds for pure greed so lets spare any other explanations plz.

but sure york ill give u better price the better u do, just gimme a better deal the better we do.

That was the whole start of this. You are so sure you can 4-0 us.

fLb wins 4-2 ; york wins 2:1
fLb wins 4-1 ; ingbo wins 2:1
fLb wins 4-0 ; ingbo wins 3:1

This isn't for real but just another example. Even if you thought it was 4-1, then I would give you more for a 4-0. But you said you would win 4-0 so you couldn't possibly do any better than that.

Ingbo I respect you a lot, you know that. I say we drop our matters and just do what we need to do in the finals. Kuja and Rib however.....KEEP GOING!

Ingbo · #25 05-26-2011, 06:24 PM

thats not what i said i said i would be willing to bet 4-0 so i couldnt end up influencing the results in my favor ie losing a game.
ye sure no hard feelings the rest of these guys are kinda lulsing away at this point

Flight 666 · #26 05-26-2011, 09:47 PM

I bet $1 kuja is a Girl

Clapon · #27 05-26-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by York

That was the whole start of this. You are so sure you can 4-0 us.

fLb wins 4-2 ; york wins 2:1
fLb wins 4-1 ; ingbo wins 2:1
fLb wins 4-0 ; ingbo wins 3:1

This isn't for real but just another example. Even if you thought it was 4-1, then I would give you more for a 4-0. But you said you would win 4-0 so you couldn't possibly do any better than that.

Ingbo I respect you a lot, you know that. I say we drop our matters and just do what we need to do in the finals. Kuja and Rib however.....KEEP GOING!

not once did ingbo ever say that flb was gonna win 4-0...

Ajuk999 · #28 05-26-2011, 10:59 PM

I bet no one knows whats going on in this thread.

Evan20000 · #29 05-26-2011, 11:19 PM

Well, since it is apparently no longer against the rules to remake locked threads, Imma go remake the "top 5 players of each plane" thread. Brb....

Kuja900 · #30 05-26-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Evan20000

Well, since it is apparently no longer against the rules to remake locked threads, Imma go remake the "top 5 players of each plane" thread. Brb....

The last thread was closed because it degenerated into an offtopic trollfest. This thread is on topic.

Evan20000 · #31 05-26-2011, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuja900

The last thread was closed because it degenerated into an offtopic trollfest. This thread is on topic.

I think it was more "childish tantrums" than an "offtopic trollfest", but I see your point either way.

Fartface · #32 05-27-2011, 12:23 AM

Haha, why would anyone bet money on IL...

Kuja900 · #33 05-27-2011, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fartface

Haha, why would anyone bet money on IL...

Because they are getting 3:1 on their money?

[Y] · #34 05-27-2011, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuja900

Because they are getting 3:1 on their money?

He's saying that no one believes we'd win, so no one would bet against you even if you offer 3:1 odds.

York · #35 05-27-2011, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Clapon

not once did ingbo ever say that flb was gonna win 4-0...

yes he did dude lol stop this

Ingbo · #36 05-27-2011, 01:46 AM

i said i thought 4-0 4-1 4-2 were likely results and id be willing to bet on those

Clapon · #37 05-27-2011, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by York

yes he did dude lol stop this

No he said it was a possible out come, not that he thought it is going happen, but ingbo is a betting man and if the odds were right, like he said, he'd place a bet on it.

Boko · #38 05-27-2011, 03:04 PM

*cough* A tax for people who are bad at math but think they're good at it *cough*

ufo · #39 05-28-2011, 03:13 PM

betting on a game your playing in is wrong regardless of outcome; as is playing for a second team on a roll when your first team didn't do as well as you hoped (insert squinty accusing eyes here). always a class act flb

Ingbo · #40 05-28-2011, 05:23 PM

really nothing wrong in betting on a game ur playing in unless ur betting to lose