New hardcourt

[DICK van DYKE]

I saw there's been some talk about fixing the spawns on hc for it to be ladderworthy so I made my own hardcourt (exactly like the old one layout-wise) so I could easily make changes quickly and worked in the suggestion of the big dog himself from this post


Download link

Feedback dump
(maybe fixed) Top too open to be viable
(addressed) The top powerup area may need some more obstacles
(so fixed) Spawns are too steep

Thoughts?

[shrode]

I liked hardcourt so i'd love to see it back with whatever fixes are deemed necessary.

Keep up the good work

[Solqom]

Nice work, you win

Only thing I can spot is that the starting ball position (dead center) is going to receive a LOT of spam from the start.

Maybe move it up underneath the top diamond?

[classicallad]

idk tho, it could add a dynamic we dont see in many ball maps. A bit of a skirmish for the ball could work, i say test it a few times then report back.

[DICK van DYKE]

Alright I gave it art in the style of old hardcourt and it now looks good enough for play (imo)
I'll try to get it up for testing in a pub. Not really sure if I have to do any lobbying for that

[Cracker]

Originally Posted by DICK van DYKE

Alright I gave it art in the style of old hardcourt and it now looks good enough for play (imo)
I'll try to get it up for testing in a pub. Not really sure if I have to do any lobbying for that

Hosted in both SMILE pubs, under ball_hardcourt for now. Will name it ball_hardcourt2 after restart

Edit: Restarted server and named ball_hardcourt2 x]

[Aki1024]

Originally Posted by DICK van DYKE

*Neutral ball spawn may get too contested

If players consistently respawn 3 times without anyone being able to get to the ball, then there is a problem. Otherwise, provided the opening is equal chance for the two teams then this isn't an issue. It doesn't last long enough for it to be anything other then the maps flavor.

[JWhatever]

Added to vlix servers, available through voting.

-J

[DICK van DYKE]

thanks for the pubspots
It's seen a few plays in the smile pub and nobody's complained and the games've been fine so far. The top power up area still worries me a bit but so far I don't feel I need to change anything
I might add something to the background or something else art related though

[MajorPayne257]

Haven't tried it out yet but it certainly looks like it'll play better. Thanks for taking the initiative! I always thought this map had so much more potential.

[DICK van DYKE]

Art update: background is now 80% more court
shadows are now nicer looking

This is not necessarily the final art update and no layout was changed so servers don't have to update if they don't want to (idk how much work it is 8-x)
pic at op. Let me know if it looks bad

[DICK van DYKE]

Update
Official ball_hardcourt2 patch notes for version 1.1:

• Increased the amount of diamonds in the center top by 100% (up from 1)
• Increased the spawn angle by 0.15 rad (parents were reporting their kids getting vertigo)

this means slightly less open top, less exposed top powerup and more stuff for randas to play with at top
So top is now hopefully a bit more viable
top

[Slender]

Although I've never considered hardcourt as a not viable map, I still think that the path behind each goal is too narrow to cave in, grab some health and defend/get back in the action. Maybe this space could be amplified?

[ufo]

if someone did this for doodle i'd love them forever. the problem with doodle was that everyone complained about how small it was (and it was too small) so mana overcompensated to make everyone happy and made it too big. he then left and made no further adjustments, but finding a goldilocks size would make it fun again

[Aki1024]

Originally Posted by ufo

if someone did this for doodle i'd love them forever. the problem with doodle was that everyone complained about how small it was (and it was too small) so mana overcompensated to make everyone happy and made it too big. he then left and made no further adjustments, but finding a goldilocks size would make it fun again

I don't see the original map thread. What are the sizes of sides for both the too big and too small versions?

[Cracker]

http://altitudegame.com/forums/showt...ht=ball_doodle
http://altitudegame.com/forums/showt...ht=ball_doodle

Originally Posted by NastyManatee

1.) The map is too damn tight! / whales are OP / things just tend to clusterf*** at the bottom of the map.
- This was a huge problem. To solve it, I increased the size of the map (stroke of genius!). The original map was 4000x1333, this map is 4500x1500. The super tight passages are about 100px taller, and the map is muchhhh more open horizontally. This also solved the issues with the spawns having too much line of sight through the middle of the map. Although the map size was increased, the size of the objects is the same or smaller, maximizing the new openness.

So probably it was 4000x1333, now 4500x1500