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Old 05-05-2013, 12:06 AM
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APL 9 Week 5 Sunday 5th May 2013, 2PM EDT/6PM GMT


For this tournament we will do a home and away round robin style tournament consisting of each team playing each other team twice: once home and once away. I have created a google spreadsheet seen at the link below:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...0E&output=html

I originally scheduled 2 games a week please let me know if you would like to change this.

Map pool:
Round 9:justice,woods, asteroids, core, lost city
Round 10:cave, middleground, bowsers, focus, fallout

Servers: Top games: APL 1,2,3,4. Bottom games: Ladder servers 1,2 (ask a ladder admin to start you the tournament) If playing in apl or ladder servers, and the server crashes, teams are given 1 min from the time another team gets all their players in the server that were in before. If a sub is needed since another player either can't reconnect or disappears, it does not count as the one sub from the sub rule. Teams may choose to have everyone crash then start, or circle their spawn then start in case of a server crash. If two teams can't come to a consensus, players must crash before starting.

Format: Bo3 Round Robin. Top 2 teams will play for championship after regular season in one bo7.

Home Team: Chooses server for first two games, and starts veto. Loser of each game chooses next map.

All the other rules in the rules thread.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:18 PM
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Taking the forfeit over BRO as they didn't have 5 this week.
KLF > BRO
KLF 2 - 0 FRO

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Old 05-05-2013, 07:54 PM
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ChibiKiwimon = ssd
Greymon = dyke
Shellmon = clam
Numemon = nade
Angelmon = DN
Whamon = Apathy
Dorbickmon = truepa!N
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:56 PM
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Replacing Evilarsenal with Step on the KLF roster.
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Old 05-05-2013, 09:10 PM
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If we're doing forfeits as opposed to scrubbing all games, IL takes the forfeit.

IL > Sammich 2-0
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:59 PM
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Any team that receives two (2) forfeit losses in two different weeks may be removed from the event.
bro forfeits the tourny. GGs to our a-team frothers
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Old 05-05-2013, 11:08 PM
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u cant just gain points from a game you lost, especially from your b-team

and that quote states they are removed, not that the games are automatically overturned

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Old 05-05-2013, 11:52 PM
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u cant just gain points from a game you lost, especially from your b-team

and that quote states they are removed, not that the games are automatically overturned
but when a team forfeits, every other team automatically gets the points they would have gotten had they beaten that team tho right??
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:04 AM
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it states that they may be removed from the event, not that they will. just get admins to figure this out.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:08 AM
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but when a team forfeits, every other team automatically gets the points they would have gotten had they beaten that team tho right??
That is exactly what we did before back when Evil was running it. We removed the teams and nulled all their games/points.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:42 AM
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but when a team forfeits, every other team automatically gets the points they would have gotten had they beaten that team tho right??
no, the games stay, they played for 3 weeks, their games counted... the season was already almost completed, and they knew they would get last place.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:53 AM
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especially from your b-team
Ahem, FRO was the b-team. I know because the roster included me (:|)

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u cant just gain points from a game you lost, especially from your b-team

and that quote states they are removed, not that the games are automatically overturned
I think if you consider a class of multinomial processes representing a set of probabilistic events in which the Otter(sub i) consumes the Clam(sub i) with probability p(sub i) until a certain threshold of total number of successes is reached, we can get a pretty good idea of a situation analogous to what we have currently. Here, the relevant factors being the quantitatively scaled hardness of shell vs rock, we say that events occur as either X or Xc, where X is success and c denotes the complement of X, not success (failure). Then one can successfully model, as a general case, the trend as the number of trials goes to infinity and forecast the results of real-valued data. However, there are conflicts between the theoretical results and what has manifested in the experimental data gathered. What a moray eel! So then, why? What went wrong, where? Let us explore the depths of the sea, let us delve further into the technical estimators and limitations of the model such that discrepancies are resolved, and perhaps we might discover some pearls along the way.

Let us be given a set of arbitrary real-valued parameters and, as in this case, a set of experimental data.

As the tides swell and gather mass, so to speak, one might become entranced by the ideas illustrated by this process. Weaving deftly through the math, we can, for simplicity's sake and the uneducated layclam, specify a particular case where all events of Otter(sub i) consuming the Clam(sub i) occur with probability p. (It is alright to do this because the important factor is not the probability of each team winning over another, but the results of the team's win.) This specific case is the binomial (which itself obviously generalizes to the multinomial - just to be perfectly clear here). Now, as we did before, we see in our experimental data a fault deep as the Marianas (these logical faults are not to be confused with segmentation faults): the results of certain Otters do not appropriately display the sum of their successes. 1 + 1 != 2. Each x(sub i) success realization of the random variable X should add to the corresponding Otter total of success – in other words, the experimental data should increment the associated frequency bin as per common sense. That it does not – there is our problem. But why not? Clearly, some weighting is occurring such that certain experimental successes or failures are being counted as having more or less importance than the others, or even none at all. Wherefore should one randomly weight or ignore events given the clear principles of addition? Even going back to the multinomial case where events occur with different probabilities, the cumulative distribution function still should add to 1 – and it doesn't.

The end goal is a cohesive and consistent descriptor of the journey of all mollusks towards the gastrointestinal tracts of our good Ottergod, so it is logical to remain cognizant of some of the underlying bedrock that we compete on - fundamental assumptions, in other words. The forfeits of BRO should, in my opinion, effect the same addition of points whether games were played or not. But if not, I mean, just clam down and keep TBD alive for next year.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:53 AM
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no, the games stay, they played for 3 weeks, their games counted... the season was already almost completed, and they knew they would get last place.
^ This is my biggest issue. Normally it's like the team misses the first few weeks. Not showing up for the last few weeks of the season seems :/ to me

With that said - when we've dq'd teams for not showing up - all of their games are reverted. Both wins and losses.

Edit: I don't get why KLF and FRO don't just play to see who gets in the finals?
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:00 AM
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Edit: I don't get why KLF and FRO don't just play to see who gets in the finals?
^ bo 5 or 7 to figure out who plays the finals
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:09 AM
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i propose we have a literary slam (like a poetry slam but less hipster) bo5

clam has fired the first shot your move meta
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:10 AM
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My thoughts are I am not really sure about any of this as I had not thought to officially write out official tie break rules, and theoretically I don't think FRO deserved to make finals since we basically only had to win one game against KLF and could not do it.

That being said, if SSD and the captains of KLF agree to having a bo5 play in match then I would not mind doing that either, but won't force KLF to do it, since I feel they deserve being there more.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:13 AM
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So I propose that next week is the game between FRO and KLF bo5 or bo7 then the week after that is finals. Thoughts?
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:20 AM
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post of the year
i don't see how anyone can read this beautiful serve and not rule in our favor
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:46 AM
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So I propose that next week is the game between FRO and KLF bo5 or bo7 then the week after that is finals. Thoughts?
sounds fine, id rather do a bo 7 than a bo 5

edit: i do agree with u dn, thats how i would have reasoned in the situation as well but u seem to be a lone breed in ur clan so lets do a bo 7 (?) next week sometime when weve talked to everyone and see when they can

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Old 05-06-2013, 03:06 AM
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bo7 works for us, see you sunday if IL is willing to postpone?
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:59 AM
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why not do both sunday >.>
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:08 AM
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2 bo7 matches in one day? God damn, that'll take like 4 hours

not counting the time in-between games
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:29 AM
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id rather do one now and one later personally
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Old 05-06-2013, 05:15 AM
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it obv doesnt matter to you guys since you wont be playing a 2nd set anyway, but FRO would rather 2 separate days too

ed; if IL isnt willing to wait i can maybe do mid-week but saturday would be better
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Old 05-06-2013, 05:19 AM
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rather just do 2 sets if il doesnt wanna postpone to another sunday, too much hastle getting our jarhead warriors to show up on weekdays
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Old 05-06-2013, 06:20 AM
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Round 9 - FRO vs Sammich
Round 10 - IL vs Sammich
Round 10 - FRO vs KLF

Highlights should be done by the end of Wednesday.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:19 PM
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I personally am fine with waiting another week but unfortunately IL never seems to check the forums

But why does it have to be a bo7? It's basically part of the regular season so why does it have to be as long as the finals? Couldn't you just play a bo3 Sunday and then we can finish apl afterwards?

If you're really dead set on doing a bo7 then I would guess IL can field a team the week after.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:22 PM
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I'd prefer doing a bo5 this week and postponing the finals to the week after.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:22 PM
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its not part of the regular season this is effectively 2nd semi finals.

i mean like i said i dont want to do anything less than bo 5 pref bo 7, we could just start earlier on sunday if everyone wants to do it then? then il can still play at regular time.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:32 PM
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Why play against FRO at all?
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:42 PM
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sounds fine, id rather do a bo 7 than a bo 5

edit: i do agree with u dn, thats how i would have reasoned in the situation as well but u seem to be a lone breed in ur clan so lets do a bo 7 (?) next week sometime when weve talked to everyone and see when they can
Bo1 and finals right after imo.

If you went head to head klf would win 3-2 in games but tied 1-1 in series. Not sure if there should be a play in game or not since rules didnt dictate to this. I don't think a whole new series should be used to determine who plays though, they have played 2ce already and had a whole season, if anything it's sudden death time.

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Old 05-06-2013, 12:43 PM
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Bo1 and finals right after imo
ye id like that too if i had nothing on the line
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:10 PM
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Personally, I think IL has nothing to say about this whatsoever. It is entirely on KLF. There are only two suggestions 1) If KLF wants a play-in match, I believe they should have the stipulations (bo3, bo5, bo7) and would be home team. 2) when to do this: either start early sunday say 1 pm EDT/5pm GMT or do it regular and skip a week for finals. I don't think it would be a problem and normally we skip a week for playoffs/finals anyways so there really should not be a problem with this.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:22 PM
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3) Not playing at all against FRO and playing IL for finals.

I think we should first decide this before talking about bo5 bo7...
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:58 PM
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3) Not playing at all against FRO and playing IL for finals.

I think we should first decide this before talking about bo5 bo7...
do u really wanna go down this road?
it's either:

FRO: bro should be stricken off the record, klf only played them once and got gifted free points for nothing
KLF: that's not strictly stated in the rules lolol. we have the same points now and we beat u so we win the tiebreaker
FRO: that's not strictly stated in the rules lolol
KLF: ur mom's a prostitute
FRO: suck my d slut

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one friendly match

let's all, euro and yank alike, join hands and sing some ****ing kumbaya, who's with me?

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Old 05-06-2013, 02:04 PM
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it is not strictly stated in the rules lol. u also only played them once and got gifted free points. its hardly friendly since were basically getting forced into this or u will dq them and get automatic win completely sandbagging us with this **** even tho u had both home team and losing team picks map which let u pick map twice and u still failed to get 1 win.

lets be honest, everyone in here knows klf would beat bro if we played again.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:23 PM
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wow ur not following the script
we did play them twice dude look at the document
if we only go by, u know, actual teams still left in the tourny then we're the winners (hard winners no tiebreaking needed) so how is this not a fair compromise?
and if u want to make up ur win vs bro based on expected outcome then we would've sent sammich to the finals on day 1 cuz obv they're the best right

i mean honestly, all this info is in clam's post i don't see why we're still arguing
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:25 PM
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lets put it this way, if ud arrange a bo 3 against bro for us we would bet our spots in the finals on it, how is that for expected results?

u should follow the script too, ud have more success arguing for ur case that way
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:35 PM
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i would but goose is dead so you're fighting us instead
RIP BRO 2013-2013 you'll be missed ;_;
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:35 PM
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Same points but:

KLF 1 - 2 FRO
FRO 0 - 2 KLF

We both played against BRO once.
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