Apl 11

[darknietzsche]

APL 11 Registration

Mode: 5v5 TBD

Rules: See http://altitudegame.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7784

Servers: Ladder servers
Registration ends: 22nd of March
Roster Size: 12 (Tentative to change)

Team Name:
Tag:
Captain (Altitude Name):
Team Members:

Preseason: 16th of March
League starts:23rd of March
Important: No new teams will be accepted after the preseason ends ONLY teams that have already participated in at least 1 APL will be allowed to register after preseason. Preseason serves no purpose other than making sure new teams are able to show up to games.

Current map pool:

Asteroids
Bowserscastle
Cave
Core
Fallout
Focus
Grotto
Heights
Justice
Mayhem
Middleground
Lostcity
Scrapyard
Underpark
Woods

[darknietzsche]

I will need two to three individuals to help run things on Sundays as it is likely that I will no longer be able to show up during game times on Sundays. I would like two-three people who teams could go to if any confusion arises.

I need at least 4 teams to sign up for me to run this tournament.

Due to my increase in schedule I am going straight into apl rather than doing a ball draft tourney. I will likely do this after APL as a warm-up to next SL which will give me more time to organize everything.

[blln4lyf]

qq is in.

DN I can help you run things as well.

[qq] Roster:
Ball'n - 25b227a2-ea11-47f1-8266-cf5ed96b92ce
Bsteady - 584b821f-46af-4052-b3ed-83ca94dcb46b
Cookie - f7a70903-fa13-4553-997a-e3b9bf8bd31a
DMCM - 5ec76fe2-7074-4926-8873-a0e2bf2d9ba5
DN - d0e8ad71-e540-4f5b-bb73-91a8960523de
Dozer - eeb7ba93-e426-4a26-930b-19eaa141806e
DVD - 123a7c37-c208-4fd0-97b2-9cad531111bc
Fart - 7604ae17-57bc-47af-8b02-3e52ce574422
JWhatever - ad6ca621-4754-4a67-94a7-be891800c90a
Mssv - 1aa6f1a8-62cd-4e61-8c0f-73a0e2ff75de
Nade - 7d2dcf74-662b-4d42-981c-36e9db81d5be
Number 3 - c6dab1ab-fb5a-4ef9-b9a3-8cd87aab4661
Pata - 6a7116fc-bf37-40f4-b194-d9878535f6c3
Pein - 341f5f18-3fde-4b61-b8d4-b55fe5afb339
Walter! - 06934f7f-4329-439d-9e4f-57e94fa73595
zz - d325e025-21bb-4a0f-8e73-06bbd1ab2862

Not on active roster for current APL week:
zz/Bsteady/DN/Nade

[matattack]

i think this should be called apl 11 tho

[ufo]

we're redoing APL10 to keep things fresh

[darknietzsche]

Haha well I was tired when posting. If one of the wonderful mods can fix the title of the thread to APL 11 instead of 10, appreciation will be had.

[mikesol]

fixed ^__^

chars

[Mr Nice]

Hakuna Matata

[Raisin bran]

Hey all, I'm looking to get involved.

Any tbders recruiting? I'm predominantly loopy with a borderline average randa kicker.

[sunshineduck]

holla@me if you need a biplane bomb runner i'm the next bg1

[classicallad]

APL huh, time to dust off my pilots gloves

[Tekn0]

I will come to watch you guys play.

Mikesol better play TA.

[darknietzsche]

I pushed the start of APL two weeks back so that a dodgeball tourney can be ran. I would rather have smaller events separate APL/SL anyways. I will likely do a draft ball tourney after APL. This will also help teams form and maybe get a few scrims in before season, as of now only two teams are registered.

[classicallad]

I had a chat with Lenny today, i'd be up for signing klf up if there are more teams, as it stands though i don't think it'd be much fun

[Clam]

Sorry, couldn't make L9 happen.

Viva TBD.

[sky]

Look guys lets be honest, you may not agree with me, but you really should if you want a good apl. A realistic team doesn't need more then 8 players. That allows for 3 people to not show up and still have 5. By having a roster cap at 12 we are potentially taking out 2-3 could be teams. If people are willing to split off of a 12 man team and cut it down to 8 and the other 4 people that were on that team can go make a new one with a few other guys we can get a good league going. Honestly you guys can decide for yourself, but to keep a 12 man roster will take away the whole idea of competition and a "season". I think that if people split up and we have an 8 man roster cap that we can get 4-5 or maybe even 6 teams that will consistently have at least 5 people. That's 30 people.. 6 teams of 5 each, we have that many in ladder servers alone over the weekends. So again divide up, roster cap at 8 and lets have a great season, Good luck guys.

[Fartface]

Only way I can see this apl happening is via draft. As it is the vast majority of vets just flock to mat or balln's team. So the way we have it now would basically just be one decent scrimmage between those 2 teams. If we did a draft we could prob get 4 equally viable ones

[blln4lyf]

Originally Posted by Fartface

Only way I can see this apl happening is via draft. As it is the vast majority of vets just flock to mat or balln's team. So the way we have it now would basically just be one decent scrimmage between those 2 teams. If we did a draft we could prob get 4 equally viable ones

Matt gave up radium and I'm open to giving up players as well to make L9 work. Already messaged Clam and hopefully this can still be fixed.

[Radium]

Originally Posted by blln4lyf

Matt gave up radium and I'm open to giving up players as well to make L9 work. Already messaged Clam and hopefully this can still be fixed.

and i never agreed to it

[matattack]

Oh. well let me know rdm. I thought you had decided to move on. Aya has stepped out just so there's less flipping out for you guys. So far I haven't recruited any epic vets who would drastically change the outcome of APL tho. Just saying..I am purposefully not trying to take people from other teams who carry in general. It's mostly sammich without mike which isn't much in my past experience with some new players so at least we can field 5.

[Clam]

Originally Posted by matattack

So far I haven't recruited any epic vets who would drastically change the outcome of APL tho. Just saying..I am purposefully not trying to take people from other teams who carry in general. It's mostly sammich without mike which isn't much in my past experience with some new players so at least we can field 5.

Issue isn't the epicness of game-changing vets or not, it's just the number of active players in alti. Not your fault, I don't think anyone's blaming you. I think it's just that given the state of TBD atm and the scarcity of players, the roster sizes are too large. Happened last APL to a lesser extent.

If sizes aren't going to change, I'd say from my experience it's just too much hassle trying to get the third team going. I don't feel good asking mat and balln to cut people from their teams and force them into joining a motley collection of randoms who possibly don't even want to play together in the first place. It just feels unsavory, like making people move to a high-ammonia or algae-ridden tank when there's fresh, clean water available.

That said, if sky and Starscream can get something going, then I'll just sit back on my shell and let you guys go at it.

[Mr Nice]

well i dont like the idea of a draft rly. i recruited the {nw} members cause i wanna play with them, kinda logical

[sunshineduck]

what is the overarching goal we are attempting to reach by reducing the maximum roster size? cutting down the size will still lead to the exact same cutting of people to join the same "motley collection of randoms who possibly don't even want to play together in the first place"

the only thing a max-8 limit would create is a metric ****ton of no-shows, since having 5 people show up out of a list of 8 is a lot less likely as the players that can't show up nearly every week will just go teamless

you are at least 100% correct in your assessment that it is too much hassle trying to start and run a team, which is why people that are not qualified to lead or are unable to nut up to the responsibilities that the position entails probably should not be creating teams in the first place

[Clam]

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

what is the overarching goal we are attempting to reach by reducing the maximum roster size? cutting down the size will still lead to the exact same cutting of people to join the same "motley collection of randoms who possibly don't even want to play together in the first place"

Right. Size shouldn't have been 12 to begin with, but it was and there are basically only 2 teams + {nw} now. So we have to either decrease size and cut people to make a new team or not have APL. The overarching goal was, of course, to have an APL with at least 4 teams.

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

the only thing a max-8 limit would create is a metric ****ton of no-shows, since having 5 people show up out of a list of 8 is a lot less likely as the players that can't show up nearly every week will just go teamless

Ok, well, onto the draft idea then.

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

you are at least 100% correct in your assessment that it is too much hassle trying to start and run a team, which is why people that are not qualified to lead or are unable to nut up to the responsibilities that the position entails probably should not be creating teams in the first place

Right. So like I said, it's up to others now.

[darknietzsche]

I mean I would hope that people could govern theirselves, but if I need to actually cut the roster size for people to take action, then I guess I would do it. I have already told clam that a draft league would most likely not work in my eyes even with trades, because I believe the number of people who want to play with those that they consider friends is greater then the people who want to play tbd. If I do a draft though, I would end up pushing the date back at least two more weeks just for sign ups. I would likely have to use google forms and docs to help organize it.

A draft tourney could though but I don't know how much interest their would be for a one or two day tourney.

[Mr Nice]

its easy to say that we should have 8 in roster size when ur not in any clan or is in a clan with less then 8 members already.

[sunshineduck]

Originally Posted by Clam

Right. Size shouldn't have been 12 to begin with, but it was and there are basically only 2 teams + {nw} now. So we have to either decrease size and cut people to make a new team or not have APL. The overarching goal was, of course, to have an APL with at least 4 teams.

the roster size is completely insignificant, the team you created/abandoned already hit the 8-cap you wanted to enforce and yet you disbanded it because you couldn't find enough players or something?

prior to your withdrawal (heh) there were already 4 teams in apl. what was the issue again?

the idea of forcing teams to cut players to fit a hard cap just to force movement to other teams is inherently flawed. the players that would get the boot are likely just players that are mostly inactive and can only show up 1-2 weeks out of the season and therefore have zero value in a format where you can only be missing three players out of your entire roster if you want to be able to play.

the only part of the draft format that would go well would be the draft itself, so there's little point in doing it

[Clam]

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

the roster size is completely insignificant, the team you created/abandoned already hit the 8-cap you wanted to enforce and yet you disbanded it because you couldn't find enough players or something?

ARGH! The truth is revealed...
Unfortunately, half the players are unreachable/inactive. Also, most people (understandably) don't want to play on a team that has me on it, much less a team that I'm leading. <X was a lark and hopefully fun for the majority, but that was ball. TBDers seem more keen on joining a real team, avoiding my stench-of-failure stigma. Being on a team with an actual chance at winning.

I knew people would avoid me going in so I didn't want to be the one "leading" the team, but I couldn't get anyone else to recruit, post, motivate, etc. Woofy was about to abandon ship already when I finally got desperate enough to make the thread myself.

Either way, it's probably better for everyone if I'm not leading/on a team. If someone wants to scoop up L9 or its players and captain them with glorious leadership and impeccably solid tbd skills, that would be great.

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

prior to your withdrawal (heh)

I don't always pull out, but when I do, SSD is there to point it out.

Originally Posted by sunshineduck

the idea of forcing teams to cut players to fit a hard cap just to force movement to other teams is inherently flawed. the players that would get the boot are likely just players that are mostly inactive and can only show up 1-2 weeks out of the season and therefore have zero value in a format where you can only be missing three players out of your entire roster if you want to be able to play.

the only part of the draft format that would go well would be the draft itself, so there's little point in doing it

I guess that's valid. Should we start gauging interest in a draft tourny nevertheless?

[Creative2Caz]

Originally Posted by darknietzsche

Preseason: 15th of March

Isn't this supposed to be the 16th (sunday) ?

[darknietzsche]

You're right, but again as of now only two teams are registered, if 4 are not registered by mid-day Saturday, I won't be running apl. Assuming people are interested in a draft it would post-pone any such sort of the thing by two weeks at least to allow for sign-ups and captains of the sort. If nothing happens, I will be running a ball draft tourney in the coming weeks.

[Creative2Caz]

Oh right - I forgot about that for a sec.

[matattack]

did i sign up?
if not, i sign up #cookies.
enjoy your dayz all

[Mr Nice]

2 teams? is {nw} one of them?

[darknietzsche]

The teams that have registered to date are:

1) qq
2) nw
3) #cookies

[matattack]

balln can u do me a favor and post ur rasta so i know who i can pick up still.
tx

or pm me it if its too much pressure on the forums would be nais
tx

also wheres my cp
tx

[Mr Nice]

well since u are stealing members from other clans u should pay 300 CP for you crime mat, we know you got the money, *cough* i mean CP.

[Aki1024]

Originally Posted by Mr Nice

well since u are stealing members from other clans u should pay 300 CP for you crime mat, we know you got the money, *cough* i mean CP.

Free agents can not be stolen. Free agents can not be stolen. Free agents can not be stolen.

[darknietzsche]

instead of trying to find players for your own teams, you might want to encourage others to form a team for themselves because as of now this is not happening.

[Slender]

Should put this on hiatus. everyone should go on hiatus

I'd like klf to be the official sponsor of this tournament.

[wolf'j'max]

Originally Posted by Slender

Should put this on hiatus. everyone should go on hiatus

I'd like klf to be the official sponsor of this tournament.

What tournament?